Rotary Cutter Rhino Rotary cutters

Gatorboy · Jul 19, 2007

LoneCowboy said:
driving it onto a trailer should not (and has never with a bush hog) bend the entire wheel sideways.

I would have liked to see a video of you loading your cutter. You can say what you did, but if it bent, you must have been doing something incorrectly.

LoneCowboy · Jul 19, 2007

Gatorboy said:
I would have liked to see a video of you loading your cutter. You can say what you did, but if it bent, you must have been doing something incorrectly.

Ummm, besides the fact I've been trailering stuff for 20+ years and never bent squat
besides the fact that it's a tilt bed trailer (i.e. the whole bed tilts, and you drive right up it)
there's no ramps
there's nothing to change
you put the bed down, you drive up it til the bed levels out, you stop the tractor.
feel free to apologize anytime.

1 would be my fault
3 in a month from the same brand (different cutters) only is junk brand.

sandman2234 · Jul 19, 2007

We can only offer suggestions as to what we think MIGHT have happened, collected from the information you have given us, and how our pea-brain minds have interpeted it. Should that call for an apoligy, then here's mine.

I am sorry for trying to figure out what the problem MIGHT be.

David from jax

Gatorboy · Jul 20, 2007

LoneCowboy said:
feel free to apologize anytime.

For what? I've been alive 45 years and I still make mistakes -- so just because you have 20 years experience with something doesn't change my opinion that you did something incorrectly.

jsborn · Jul 20, 2007

When you rule out all the impossable what is left no matter how improbable must be the truth. If I had bent 3 of anything I would sure be looking at my operation or operator. 1 is a flawed part 2 is really bad luck but 3 must be OE,

I too am sorry for your problems.

Farmwithjunk · Jul 20, 2007

With ONE out of three bent wheels narrowed down to PROBABLY being done while loading, but unknown as to exactly how, and the other two totally unknown as to when, why or how, NOTHING can be ruled out, including the POSSIBILITY of operator error. But until it's known when and where they're being bent, all is pure conjecture. And if I'm reading Brians (LC's) post correctly, he THINKS one was bent while loading, but not knowing how would indicate that is more a guess than a given.

All things being equal, I'm still at a loss as to why a brand with great marks from almost everyone would continuously cause troubles for one person. Brian, we need (at least) a photo of the aftermath. Maybe that would give something to go on.

jsborn · Jul 20, 2007

Very well said FWJ. I don't mean to slam anyone but when you condemn a Very fine product like Rhino as being Junk just because you have a questionable bad experience it sends a message to our newer reads that Rhino may be selling inferior products which I have found in my experience not to be the case. I have found that most if not all my problems with equipment have been at least to some extent my own doing or lack of doing as the case may be.

I hope we can find out more about why these problem occurred and I too think pictures might help.

LoneCowboy · Jul 20, 2007

I can't be the only one having problems.
Becuase I went into the dealer for other issues today and said "where's my fork?" (it's due monday, I was mostly kidding)

Oh, it's back ordered

Hmmm, it's back ordered, from teh factory, but I'm the only one having problems with bad forks??????

Yeah.

sandman2234 · Jul 21, 2007

The fact that they are back ordered my very well tell you that they are junk.
The fact that they are back ordered my very well tell you that they are so good the factory only made 3 extra's and you got all three.
The fact that inventory costs money to support it, and bean counters have jumped on that with both feet may mean they just don't stock a large amount of surplus parts. I think I would get ahold of a couple more large dealerships and see if they have that part in stock.
I have never walked into my local dealership and walked out with a part in hand. They don't stock anything for my tractor. I stopped by there for a pto seal a couple days ago, nothing!

David from jax

gsganzer · Jul 21, 2007

Lonecowboy,
I think you have your toplink adjusted improperly (too long). I don't think it's allowing the tractor to acheive enough upward angle in relation to the mower, without all the stress being transmitted into the tail wheel (this would be evidenced by the damage occuring when you put it on the trailer) The Rhino I have has a rather small amount of travel in the toplink, in relation to some other designs I've seen. If you don't get the toplink shortened enough, then the toplink "bottoms out", so to say, when the tractor begins up an incline.

LoneCowboy · Jul 21, 2007

sandman2234 said:
The fact that they are back ordered my very well tell you that they are junk.
The fact that they are back ordered my very well tell you that they are so good the factory only made 3 extra's and you got all three.
The fact that inventory costs money to support it, and bean counters have jumped on that with both feet may mean they just don't stock a large amount of surplus parts. I think I would get ahold of a couple more large dealerships and see if they have that part in stock.
I have never walked into my local dealership and walked out with a part in hand. They don't stock anything for my tractor. I stopped by there for a pto seal a couple days ago, nothing!

David from jax

of course the dealer doesn't have it , but the Rhino WAREHOUSE is out.
meaning EVERYONE doesn't have one.
Yep, not a problem here, move along, nothing to see.

With an open eye, compare the tailwheel on a rhino to a bushhog, the difference is notable to the naked eye.

Robert_in_NY · Jul 21, 2007

Why would New Holland stock Rhino parts? It is up to the dealer to get the parts from Rhino or their Rhino distributer.

LoneCowboy · Jul 21, 2007

Robert_in_NY said:
Why would New Holland stock Rhino parts? It is up to the dealer to get the parts from Rhino or their Rhino distributer.

sorry, got NH corporate on my mind, Rhino warehouse, original post fixed.

jand38 · Jul 21, 2007

Are you just mowing a level field and you look back and out of the BLUE the back tailwheel is bent ? Three times? Could it be you wish you had bought Bush Hog and need to justify selling the Rhino ,my Rhino is 6 years old and I let my neighbor borrow it and have had no problems.
One more suggestion go to the Antique Tractor web site and ask the farmers if Rhinos are giving them a problem just a thought. MD

elkun1 · Jul 22, 2007

Hey Brian, these guys are kinda tough on a working stiff trying to make his equipment pay for itself. I got a deal on a 7' montana brand, not sure who makes it for them. Been a good mower this year other than i'm bending the tw same as you. Gopher holes have been giving me fits, i've had to straighten it twice and it needs it again. Not blamin the mower, but i can gurantee that next season it won't be bending there again, probably just transfer the load and bend something more expensive, oh well. It sure does cut nice though.
I also have a tilt bed that i use, 22' and I haven't yet had the priviledge of seeing it bend there. i do know that if i'm not parked level it can put a heck of a load on the tw even with the top link pulled in all the way. sure hope you get your tractor problems worked out, downtime is a killer. this was my year for it also. good luck and i'm sure nh will make it right for you. Ron

klm · Jul 22, 2007

Some people should just stay away from machinery.

elkun1 · Jul 22, 2007

Isn't that the truth Kim. Thank goodness for people like Lc, fwj, myself and several others who are willing to take a financial and physical risk to help control fire danger and noxious weed problems caused by the urbanization of rural areas. At least in our area it can be very stressful on equipment Some of the places people have built houses and then want the weeds and brush cut cause of fire danger is pretty unbelievable.
3 out of 3 bent tw's would also tell me that the equipment can't handle the environment i'm working in, I don't think I would go so far as calling the whole mower junk but the tw sure is for the application he's using it for. In this day and age odds are some bean counter decided with the high price of steel that tw would be a good place to save some cash. Still plenty strong for 95% of users. I'm also having tw trouble but just accept it, It will be modified this fall and hopefully that annoyance will be solved. Probably built in the same shop.
After 20 some years of being a custom operator i know that when things start breaking it goes in streaks. One thing after another and it gets real old when you realize you've wasted a year of your life just to keep the parts man in business and if there's any cash left over you count your blessings. Brian will tough it out and hopefully next year he'll be so busy making money that he won't have the time to post, other than to tell how good everything is working. As was said, some people shouldn't be around equipment.

sandman2234 · Jul 22, 2007

A good point that the internet can't fix, is the different conditions that each of us put our equipment thru compared to the next. Lack of maintance excluded, the conditions that LoneCowboy puts his equipment thru compared to what equipment in this end of the world is subjected to is probably completely different. Here the sand takes it's tole on this, and out there I am sure probably the rocks in the soil probably take a heavier tole. We don't have much for gophers, but we do have some golpher turtles although they are rapidly approaching extintion.
If I backed a mower off a trailer and miscalculated something, I am sure the sand would give enough to take some of the shock out of it. I also figure that the rocky soil wouldn't give a bit, and something needs to give.
These factors also come into play when an engineer trys to build things, especially at minimal expense to stay competitve and why so many people are happy with their equipment and some just think it is junk.
How it adapts to your world is definitely how you grade it, not how it adapts to other users needs.
David from jax

LoneCowboy · Jul 22, 2007

But the big difference here is, that my bushhog brand cutter (a MUCH cheaper version) hasn't bent one yet. (and I know I've backed into stuff with it)