Replacing our old tractors

[nwngunner]

Currently i have a 1650 oliver gas, and an international 806 gas. The oliver is rated between 60 and 67 hp, the 806 is rated right around 90pto, i couldnt find an engine hp, i suspect its right around 120.

Both of my tractors are old and are having some serious problems. The 806 wont turn when its cold, and i just blew a clutch in the oliver. I plan on keeping both tractors and rebuilding my oliver. How ever neither one of them is four wheel drive. Where i am in the mud 9 out of the 12 months of the year putting hay in to my cattle ect ect i am looking for a new tractor.

Here are the criteria that i am looking at.
Must be around the 80 to 90 horse power range. "806 was more tractor then i need" " oliver was just a little small."

I need a FEL also a back hoe.
Four wheel drive is a must.
Dont want a cab. " will be using this in the trees and the cab just gets in the way. dont know if you can get one with the back hoe anyway."

Something that ag tires on, i need something with some hellish traction.
540rpm pto, none of the equipment is high speed.

Have the power to pull a round baler, 9 foot bine ect ect.

Reason for the back hoe, is have alot of wash on my farm i need to deal with. Culverts have to be put in, also planning on using it to dig a pond.

Need the fel with a good digging bucket for same as above as well as cleaning barn yards and barn.

Class 2 3point is a must, as that is what my current equipment fits.

Any one have any suggestions that would be greatly welcome. Looking at both new and used. I know its going to be expensive, but i am tired of not having what i need.

 

[1950T]

if it were me id do a 12v cummins conversion on that 1650. oliver used SAE#2 bellhousings and a cummins bolts right up. but then again i have a softspot for olie's

 

[jenkinsph]

If you are looking for something comparable with a few upgrades consider a Deere 6100D, 82 pto hp,,with mfwd, 18.4 34 rears, 13.6 24 fronts, dual outlets, 9F 9R power reverser tranny, 540/1000pto, telescopic links for about $44,000 list and should be able to buy around $40,000. I think that is a good deal of tractor for the money. If needed 18.4 38 rears are available too.

 

[McGeesEquip]

If you get out looking I would take the time to look at some of the McCormick units. They are currently offering the frontend loader program on tractors that size. I would look at the C-Max Series and the CX Series. They are both available with ROBS that size.

If most of your work is draw bar pulling then the C-MAX series will be what you should look more at. Both series use the Perkins engines.

Both units will have both the 540 RPM shaft and a 1000 RPM shaft, and both shafts are the 21 spline.

 

[nwngunner]

Not saying all of my work is drawbar. I do alot of 3point work and loader work as well. I have a rear bale mover, blade, 7foot brush hog. Also i do plan on using the front end loader for digging cleaning putting up hay in the barns ect ect. Need a well rounded tractor. I would like to say in something around the size of the oliver physcialy or a little smaller.

I know i am asking alot, but i see alot of these new tractors are packing alot of punch in a little box. My primary hay bar has 10foot wide entry ways, so the more narrow i can keep the tractor the better off i am. Two years ago, my 806 slid in the mud and i took out a main post in the barn. That was not a happy day.

 

[jenkinsph]

You might consider a Deere 5000 series tractor in that case but if as you say you want hellish traction I would look towards the 6000 series. Just a better size for what you are doing IMHO.

 

[nwngunner]

Issues i have with jd. You pay more green for their color green. What is inside that green is not always supperior. We have a new dealer in the area our old one sold out, so i am very leary on service. How ever i will take a look @ the 6000. I looked At the 6100 with the rops and while its a nice tractor and fits what i need, before i even get the loader and the backhoe attachments "if they make one for that tractor" i am already look @ over 50grand.

 

[TripleR]

I recently purchased a Kubota M8540 that I have been pretty impressed with as to features, power and price. John Deeres tend to be more expensive in my area and I don't care for the dealers. I also considered the JD 5000 Series. I really liked the 6000 Series, but really don't need that much tractor and can't/won't spend that kind of money.

 

[jenkinsph]

Issues i have with jd. You pay more green for their color green. What is inside that green is not always supperior. We have a new dealer in the area our old one sold out, so i am very leary on service. How ever i will take a look @ the 6000. I looked At the 6100 with the rops and while its a nice tractor and fits what i need, before i even get the loader and the backhoe attachments "if they make one for that tractor" i am already look @ over 50grand.

Don't know how you get " over 50grand" when I just quoted under $44,000 list price. The 6100D is an economy tractor and I suspect the discount off msrp will be less. So I would hope for about 10% off of list, and buy for $40,000. This is about the same as buying a new pickup truck in cost.

The 806 was a rock solid tractor design and one of the better tractors that IH made. Looks like you have had many years of use out of it. A similar sized tractor with upgrades today isn't going to be cheap and never was either.

Your issues with Deere green paint, well I have heard this BS before on the forum with little basis for it. For me it is all about the cost of operation over many years and good tractors are built by several manufacturers. Pick one that you like. I do prefer Deere equipment after having a multitude of brands and suggested according to your post a Deere that I suspect will fit your needs.

 

[art]

The 806 is a very strong tractor but it might be in need of quite a few things with it's age. The first thing that would hurt that tractor is that it is gas! That also holds true for the Oliver!

I'd be looking for a older TLB!!!!! Something below ten grand as you will have a lot more then you'd have by adding one to the back of a tractor.

The depth of the digging and the strength would assist you with your digging and you wouldn't have to spend time hooking and unhooking the backhoe for different work.

I know both of the tractors that you have and not knowing if you have rebuilt the engine on either there life should be about 3,500 hours. So I'd assume that you don't put many hors on them in a year. You might do well to stay larger and go used where a few deals might come by.