R4047

[farmer2009]

I am looking around for a new tractor could be next summer before ready to buy though. I was looking at the Farmall 50 then found out they were the R4047 with red paint on them. I see the LS has a standard reverser tractor and the EZ tractor dealer couldn't explain the difference, but then again it was his son in from college when I stopped by. Could anyone explain it to me? I want a gear tractor for what I do.

 

[boomer632]

EZ shift is basically a gear tractor with the ability to engage the clutch with a push button on gear selector. EZ also permits you to shift from forward to reverse without using the clutch. To be honest.. I rarely use the push button to engage the clutch. I do however shift from forward to reverse without clutching.. at low speed of course. If your speed is to fast you will hear a beep and the trans wont go into reverse until it senses the tractor is going slow enough. Hope this helps

 

[GManBart]

Just one thought....by next summer there may not be an R4047 on any dealer lots because of the Tier IV requirements that are in place now.

 

[farmer2009]

EZ shift is basically a gear tractor with the ability to engage the clutch with a push button on gear selector. EZ also permits you to shift from forward to reverse without using the clutch. To be honest.. I rarely use the push button to engage the clutch. I do however shift from forward to reverse without clutching.. at low speed of course. If your speed is to fast you will hear a beep and the trans wont go into reverse until it senses the tractor is going slow enough. Hope this helps

Thanks for the reply.

So the ez is basically LS's version of the power reverser or hydro shuttle of I understand you correctly.
I see that you have an ez tractor what do you think of it.

 

[farmer2009]

Just one thought....by next summer there may not be an R4047 on any dealer lots because of the Tier IV requirements that are in place now.

There will be something I am sure of that, they may cost double and use twice the fuel. But there will still be tractors made and sold. And the more they cost and the more fuel they burn the more I get to write off in February and the less Uncle Sam gets to put in his pocket. So if you think about it then the government is as dumb as we all think they are.
Sorry but government oversight and regulation is a pet peive of mine.

 

[boomer632]

The EZ shift is an elecrto-mechanical trans with no hydraulics involved. I guess its OK. When I ordered from my dealer, I ordered a gear tractor. He called back after I signed papers and said the factory was behind and wouldnt have a gear unit ready to ship for a month. I told him I could not wait that long and was going to cancel. He called the factory back then called me and offered the EZ model for same price as the gear unit. He threw in free delivery too. Personally.. I think I would have liked the hydro trans because I don't do any plowing or field prep now. Mostly mowing and loader work.

 

[farmer2009]

Thanks boomer.

I will be doing lots of mowing and loader work too. As well as raking hay and taking care of the poultry barns and feeding hay. This will be my primary tractor for a couple of years then be looking for a 80-100 hp tractor. I don't think I want a hydro I know most of you love yours but I have always had gears and while I like a hydro on a mower I don't think it is for me on a tractor. Always used a reverser for loader work and if they position the lever right I can hit it without removing hand from steering wheel. As it beats a 8&2 by 10 times.

 

[GManBart]

There will be something I am sure of that, they may cost double and use twice the fuel. But there will still be tractors made and sold. And the more they cost and the more fuel they burn the more I get to write off in February and the less Uncle Sam gets to put in his pocket. So if you think about it then the government is as dumb as we all think they are.
Sorry but government oversight and regulation is a pet peive of mine.

Yes, they will have something, but it won't be an R4047.

 

[TomSeller]

You might want to consider the Jinma or Foton tractors to save quite a buy of money. They specialize in gear tractors.

http://www.jinma-tractor.com/
http://www.fotontractorsales.com/

Much of the Korean tractors have a lot of Chinese parts in them so you might as well look at these brands as well.

 

[GManBart]

You might want to consider the Jinma or Foton tractors to save quite a buy of money. They specialize in gear tractors.

Much of the Korean tractors have a lot of Chinese parts in them so you might as well look at these brands as well.

Tom, I realize you're just trying to stir the pot, but where are you getting your "facts" that many (it's not "much" BTW) Korean tractors have a lot of Chinese parts?

I wouldn't normally ask, but in another thread, after you claimed another manufacturer was improperly designing their machines, and then flatly denied saying that (which anybody could see), it's sort of hard to take this statement at face value.

 

[farmer2009]

You might want to consider the Jinma or Foton tractors to save quite a buy of money. They specialize in gear tractors.

Four Wheel Tractor/ China Tractor / Farm Tractor / HuangHai Jinma Tractor
Foton Tractor Sales

Much of the Korean tractors have a lot of Chinese parts in them so you might as well look at these brands as well.

I am willing to look at a Korean tractor if I have a local dealer or if major manufactures are willing to sub out their tractors to them. CNH was willing to do this with LS and I have a local dealer. The ones you suggest can't meet either requirement. Beside they look like the old rural king specials. I have John Deere, case ih, new holland, kubota, kioti, Branson, caterpillar & LS all within an hours drive.

 

[Jhiphop72]

You might want to consider the Jinma or Foton tractors to save quite a buy of money. They specialize in gear tractors.

http://www.jinma-tractor.com/
http://www.fotontractorsales.com/

Much of the Korean tractors have a lot of Chinese parts in them so you might as well look at these brands as well.

Ignorance is bliss... Even if it is repeated 1300+ times

 

[TSO]

Don't mind Tom Seller, he's just a useless troll who isn't capable of making worthwhile, non inflammatory posts.

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As for the EZ shift, there are very few numbers that use one. I have not heard any rave reviews about it, and my dealer won't even stock them because he is not a fan of the system.

Having owned a shuttle shift before, I really don't see much benefit to adding the EZ setup.

 

[farmer2009]

Thanks tso. How do you like your 4047 I see its a hydro. But everything should be laid out the same. How is the ergonomics of the tractor.

 

[TSO]

Thanks tso. How do you like your 4047 I see its a hydro. But everything should be laid out the same. How is the ergonomics of the tractor.

There are things that I would move, or change in minor cosmetic ways... But overall it's designed pretty well. I sat on lots of different tractors when I was shopping and I wish I could take a little bit of something from all them, and combine them into one tractor.

But with that said, I'm still very happy with the product. I had a 4041 shuttle for a short time, and traded it in for the 4047 hydro, & I am way happier having the hydro. To each his own regarding the transmission, but I will never own another shuttle over a hydro, unless it's a much larger agricultural tractor designed and used just for grounding engauging large-scale purposes.

I know on paper I am losing about 3 HP with the hydro versus the shuttle, but in reality I don't notice that. I can pull my very heavy duty 8 foot back blade with a full load of whatever, and usually do it in medium range. Before you make the decision, sit on all the tractors that you can, and also get a little experience playing with a hydro, give it about 15 to 30 minutes at least, you may like it!

As for LS, they make nearly all components in their own own factory. My tractor has been flawless, and I'm very happy with the purchase.

Good luck.

 

[TomSeller]

The are a number of happy Chinese tractor owners out there. Caution, however, note post #7 in the attached link when you read this.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/buying-pricing-comparisons/234777-chinese-tractors.html

You can save a lot of money over buying an LS by buying Jinma.

 

[farmer2009]

Tom I am not interested in a Chinese tractor, I need something I can put 400 hours a year on or more and last for 7-8 years.

Local dealer doesn't have any on lot and doesn't know if he will order one unless it is sold before hand because he says its too hard to sell tractors around here. So that leaves me window (internet) shopping. I have a few questions for some of ya'll. How high does the rops fold and do they unbolt at the top of the fenders as the Case IH looks like they do. Case and New Holland dealers don't stock these tractors either. they have 35's and 30's but no 50's. I have height restrictions in poultry houses. Plus, how high does tractor set can you slouch and duck to get under 6 feet on height. A 4120 John Deere will work but is an extra 10-12K over these machines. I don't feel green paint is worth it but if that is the way I must go then I will. John Deere keeps at least 4x20 series tractor in stock.

 

[TomSeller]

Tom I am not interested in a Chinese tractor, I need something I can put 400 hours a year on or more and last for 7-8 years.
. A 4120 John Deere will work but is an extra 10-12K over these machines. I don't feel green paint is worth it but if that is the way I must go then I will. John Deere keeps at least 4x20 series tractor in stock.

The Jinmas will easily last that long but that's fine if you don't want to save a truckload. Then I would go with the JD you mention, you almost always get your money back out of the tractor when you go to sell a JD, or Kubota for that matter.

 

[Gary Fowler]

The Jinmas will easily last that long but that's fine if you don't want to save a truckload. Then I would go with the JD you mention, you almost always get your money back out of the tractor when you go to sell a JD, or Kubota for that matter.

I have seen very few folks on TBN with a JINMA that would buy another one. Many have engine failures at less than 400 hours.

 

[GManBart]

Tom I am not interested in a Chinese tractor, I need something I can put 400 hours a year on or more and last for 7-8 years.

He doesn't really pay attention to what anybody says, so don't bother trying reason. He also refuses to answer when asked where he's getting "facts", or is proven wrong. Unfortunately, that doesn't really help anyone trying to make an informed decision.....guess some folks don't care that they might be misleading folks.