PTO Gen for bx2670... Does this work?

[dickfoster]

I live in Florida, its always warm!

No roof leaks so always dry inside.

Neither my tablet nor phone requires house utilities top operate online.

No rigamarole needed. I'll just hookup a tractor without the backhoe.

If all that is true then yew don neeed no stinkin generators.:silly:

 

[Soundguy]

Got a 12.5k one. Use full on the farm

 

[gogojuice]

It seems the US$ throws a wrench in everything.
I'm not 100% sure if it would even be worth trying to import one up to Canada?
Each one of our dollars is .70 USD. So automatically I would incur 30% more.... then most likely have to pay duties at the border (not sure though)....

Dickfoster...
So... your 3K for the 11KW generac.. (4199 CDN... is 3220.49 USD)
XE: (CAD/USD) Canadian Dollar to US Dollar Rate


I don't have a shaft for my PTO... but I agree... setup for the transfer switch is going to be incurred on both..

 

[dickfoster]

It seems the US$ throws a wrench in everything.
I'm not 100% sure if it would even be worth trying to import one up to Canada?
Each one of our dollars is .70 USD. So automatically I would incur 30% more.... then most likely have to pay duties at the border (not sure though)....

Dickfoster...
So... your 3K for the 11KW generac.. (4199 CDN... is 3220.49 USD)
XE: (CAD/USD) Canadian Dollar to US Dollar Rate


I don't have a shaft for my PTO... but I agree... setup for the transfer switch is going to be incurred on both..

So I'd imagine the exchange rate effects everything you buy equally, the Generac setup and the PTO setup.

 

[dickfoster]

It seems the US$ throws a wrench in everything.
I'm not 100% sure if it would even be worth trying to import one up to Canada?
Each one of our dollars is .70 USD. So automatically I would incur 30% more.... then most likely have to pay duties at the border (not sure though)....

Dickfoster...
So... your 3K for the 11KW generac.. (4199 CDN... is 3220.49 USD)
XE: (CAD/USD) Canadian Dollar to US Dollar Rate


I don't have a shaft for my PTO... but I agree... setup for the transfer switch is going to be incurred on both..

So I'd imagine the exchange rate effects everything you buy equally, the Generac setup and the PTO setup.

Don't look for sympathy from me for your living in Canada, I have to live in California.

 

[gogojuice]

Dickfoster...

Yes... so in your$$.. to put it in perspective.. leaving the transfer switch out.. wiring etc setup and taxes (I still need a pto shaft)

3220.49 for the 11KW generac,
1700.33 for the Winco 10KW PTO.

Also.. I notice that there is another brand.. IMD that is 10KW but with auto Voltage relation.
Is that a big deal? Is it something I should be looking into? They are a couple hundred less.

Thanks

P.S how much is a PTO shaft? Can I get a used one.. what should I look for? Is there a certain length etc...

 

[anthonyv]

I have had the IMD for a few years & picked this for the AVR feature. The previous standalone gas powered generator I had drove some of the electronics in the house crazy with what some call dirty power. The satellite box & DSL modem started doing strange things & I had to turn off modem & use TV over the air. Since I have been using the Gen with AVR I have not had any issues with running anything electronic in the household. I also like the IMD's LED bars to tell the frequency, the voltage, amp usage, & when I have reached the proper PTO speed. To give you an idea how well the setup works, the first major power outage we had I connected & my wife came out to tell me the power was back on. I had to tell her "no we are on the gen". The biggest feature is the AVR no matter what brand you choose, so best of luck & I hope I could be of some help.

 

[wrooster]

When the power goes out..
I have no sump pump (which I need)
No well. Which I also need. Other wise I have no bathroom for the family.
We have a gas fireplace for warmth.

So I need a generator. I'm not that remote that I would need the tractor and the Generator at the same time. The wife is tractor friendly and not afraid to get her hands dirty.

The whole stand by gen (like generac) is expensive (about 2-3x)..... and I would still need a generator for outside needs.
I'm not opposed to getting a stand alone generator but I'm not sure either way if that is my best bet. I'm going to need some power for the sump / well.

So that is where I thought the PTO would supply the basics and provide a bit of extra comfort for the family / small kids.
I know my bx2670 is not the beast that many of you have.. but it's all I need and I don't see me getting another tractor just for generator duty lol.

Again... appreciate your comments and helping out.

my situation is almost exactly the same as yours.

read my writeup here:
Sandy -- 12 days without power: what worked, what didn't ... - AR15.COM

wrooster

 

[crazyal]

Not sure if you are close to the border but I have plenty of friends in Canada. They drive down here to buy stuff then take it out of the box and "dirty" it up a bit and then say they bought it used when they get to the border. Not saying it's legal but it's done often.

 

[crazyal]

Hey.. if you are afraid to run your tractor, then it's time to sell it!

Is your tractor such a POS that it won't do an honest days work? time to sell it.

Real working farms and jobs run machines all day. you do maintenance, you do repairs as needed. It's the price of admission.

As for running 12 hours a day? If that is in power generation... someone may not be using their resources correctly in an emergency.

Lighting and small loads can be run off a good inverter and battery. LED lighting is very available now and is a fraction of the electrical load of incandescent.

I'm doing a test with a usb power pack. 4000mah and it has a led flashlight. flashlight has been running continously for over 2 weeks now. it's dim, and I expect it to drop out this third week, but it is making useable light.

I don't even own a standard flashlight anymore.

Inverters in the 1-2k range are now affordable.

microwaves int he 700w range are the most common.

Should disaster planning include watching tv and microwaving snacks, running the ac, watching tv while all of your finite resources get absorbed ina couple days? People planning like this have not been thru an outtage that lasted weeks. when florida was hit in 04/05, parts were without useable infrastructure for 3 weeks. no gas, no diesel, no power. so don't run your genny 24/7 use it like it's emergency backup...

Maybe it's free for you to maintain your tractor (or not) but for me, owning a HST tractor that the factory says I should replace both filters and the synthetic hydraulic oil every 400 hours it's a hidden expense that should be factored into the price. At about $400 for the oil and filters for the hydraulic system it works out to about $1/hr to run a PTO generator off my HST tractor. A BX should be cheaper but I bet it's more than most people think. If the OP is loosing power as often as he says and he needs power often enough so he puts even 20 hours over a 5 day period on his tractor it could add up.

A local neighbor has a large Ford tractor he backs up to the power pole where he has a transfer box. His PTO generator will run at least 12 hours out of the day for his milking equipment. Of course the Ford doesn't seam to get used for much else as he has 4 or 5 other tractors and a tractor of that size and age is most like gear so transmission wear is not an issue for him.

Batteries are fine for smaller applications but once you start talking things like a well pump, mine is a 1 1/2 hp, you are talking up to 20 amps at 240. That's a 5k inverter for something that runs for maybe a minute at most until more water is needed. Of course that's the problem, everyone's needs are different. Around me running an AC is pretty much not needed yet in the winter a furnace is a must (I have a wood stove specifically because it doesn't need power and I can cook on it if needed).

My sister has a whole house automatic back up system. It'll come on in about 30 seconds after the power goes out. Her husband will run it all night long if the power goes out. But he's upper level management at a large company and works 60 to 70 hours a week. Since he gets paid well his attitude it he doesn't get that much time off so when he's not working he wants to enjoy himself. Plus if he gets a call or text he needs access to the internet and doesn't want to deal with having someone wait while he fires up the generator and then waits for the model to connect up.

 

[sea2summit]

Maybe it's free for you to maintain your tractor (or not) but for me, owning a HST tractor that the factory says I should replace both filters and the synthetic hydraulic oil every 400 hours it's a hidden expense that should be factored into the price. At about $400 for the oil and filters for the hydraulic system it works out to about $1/hr to run a PTO generator off my HST tractor. A BX should be cheaper but I bet it's more than most people think. If the OP is loosing power as often as he says and he needs power often enough so he puts even 20 hours over a 5 day period on his tractor it could add up.

Yeah boy, at that rate after 20 power outages he's caused an additional hydro change...or about $350 in services f he does it himself. Heaven forbid

 

[Sawyer Rob]

Yeah boy, at that rate after 20 power outages he's caused an additional hydro change...or about $350 in services f he does it himself. Heaven forbid

And THAT, is the reason I'd NEVER own a tractor like that!

I look for things like that, BRFORE I sign on the dotted line!

SR

 

[Soundguy]

Maybe it's free for you to maintain your tractor (or not) but for me, owning a HST tractor that the factory says I should replace both filters and the synthetic hydraulic oil every 400 hours it's a hidden expense that should be factored into the price. At about $400 for the oil and filters for the hydraulic system it works out to about $1/hr to run a PTO generator off my HST tractor. A BX should be cheaper but I bet it's more than most people think. If the OP is loosing power as often as he says and he needs power often enough so he puts even 20 hours over a 5 day period on his tractor it could add up.

A local neighbor has a large Ford tractor he backs up to the power pole where he has a transfer box. His PTO generator will run at least 12 hours out of the day for his milking equipment. Of course the Ford doesn't seam to get used for much else as he has 4 or 5 other tractors and a tractor of that size and age is most like gear so transmission wear is not an issue for him.

Batteries are fine for smaller applications but once you start talking things like a well pump, mine is a 1 1/2 hp, you are talking up to 20 amps at 240. That's a 5k inverter for something that runs for maybe a minute at most until more water is needed. Of course that's the problem, everyone's needs are different. Around me running an AC is pretty much not needed yet in the winter a furnace is a must (I have a wood stove specifically because it doesn't need power and I can cook on it if needed).

My sister has a whole house automatic back up system. It'll come on in about 30 seconds after the power goes out. Her husband will run it all night long if the power goes out. But he's upper level management at a large company and works 60 to 70 hours a week. Since he gets paid well his attitude it he doesn't get that much time off so when he's not working he wants to enjoy himself. Plus if he gets a call or text he needs access to the internet and doesn't want to deal with having someone wait while he fires up the generator and then waits for the model to connect up.

Are you actually putting hyd 'work' hours on you system, with it running a stationary pto load?

Free? Hardly. The dini oil I run in mine costs more that your synthetic.

If I run off my 7610s, that's 3 5g pails of oil , plus a filter, not counting air, eng oil filter, and 3g engine oil.

Running a tractor is an expense. Don't want the expense? Time to sell the tractor

Back to the hyd oil wearing out when parked.

I dont count stationary hours as straight hours on the Hyds. Even on a hst, they should only be just circulating.

 

[Soundguy]

Yeah boy, at that rate after 20 power outages he's caused an additional hydro change...or about $350 in services f he does it himself. Heaven forbid

They day I walk outside and figure I don't want to use my tractors because it wears them out, I figure its time to move off acerage.

I can just imagine going out to climb on my 1955 ford 950 trike to mow and think. " crikey.. I'm going to put another couple hours on her, and wear her out!.. And then.. Some day I might even have to service her!... That's it, selling the farm!"

 

[dickfoster]

In short, this is the way I look at it, tractors are made for diggin in the dirt and generators are made to generate electricity so each does what it's designed to do best. I wouldn't try to dig dirt or mow grass with my generator although with a long enough extension cord I suppose I could try. Nuff said.

 

[buickanddeere]

If tractors were not designed to be auxiliary power units for attached equipment . Why have pto shafts been installed on some tractors since the 1920's ?

 

[dickfoster]

If tractors were not designed to be auxiliary power units for attached equipment . Why have pto shafts been installed on some tractors since the 1920's ?

To power farm implements of course. But I wouldn't use a generator for that kinda job either. Just because you can doesn't always mean you should or that it makes a lot of sense when there is something designed specifically for the task. But to each their own. There are always more than one way to skin a cat but there is typically only one optimal way to do anything and tools ideally suited to specific tasks. That's why I have a lot of tools but don't we all? The one who dies with the most tools wins.

 

[gogojuice]

Thanks for the info.
Interesting debate.

"The one who dies with the most tools wins.".... but still dies. ( I know your joking dickfoster)

Steve jobs once said what good is it being the richest person in the graveyard

I'll have to look at a few more options.

It's either a PTO or a traditional get set?

 

[Sawyer Rob]

Well, propane right now is at $1.50 to $1.60 per gallon and you say 2 gal. per hour... That's $3.00 per hr. +.

Diesel here right now is $2.58 per gallon and I use less than 1 gallon per hour...

I think that shoots the price comparison out of the water! AND, last winter propane was in short supply here, IF you was completely out, they had a 100 gallon limit, and that was for folks that needed it for heat!

Diesel, I always have around and "I" can buy all I want when ever I want, because the place I buy from has a generator for when the power goes out. But, I always keep plenty around as it doesn't go bad like gas.

SR

I made a mistake in my post, diesel is $1.58 NOT $2.58... BUT, I see it is now creeping up a little...

SR

 

[Soundguy]

To power farm implements of course. But I wouldn't use a generator for that kinda job either. Just because you can doesn't always mean you should or that it makes a lot of sense when there is something designed specifically for the task. But to each their own. There are always more than one way to skin a cat but there is typically only one optimal way to do anything and tools ideally suited to specific tasks. That's why I have a lot of tools but don't we all? The one who dies with the most tools wins.

As has been said, tractors have powered stationary pumps and gennies for a long time.

From an economy stand point,its more efficient. Less engines to care for.

Besides, I trust the quality and longevity of my tractor engine, vs one that's more lil a throw away lawnmower engine