Post hole auger

[andrehoude123]

Would i have enough flow on my l45 to run a post hole auger. Remove be bucket and have a quick attach we have auxiliary line for the thumb running there so that way there If we get a rock I could easily remove the PHA and put on my bucket and I could also apply the down force compared to a 3 point hitch model We have really sandy soil and want to know how it would work!
Everything attachment has a model but I really want to make sure I'm not just waisting my time
Thanks

 

[andrehoude123]

Read some stuff saying I should run it off my bucket curl function? I rather not but it's a option

 

[ovrszd]

I'm like ya, I'd want to run if off a 3rd function and keep the bucket curl function if possible.

As to whether it will work. Yes it will. It just may be slow. Dependant on your hydraulic GPM.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Yes you will have enough hydraulic flow to use a hydraulic PHD. If you have sandy loam ground, why bother? I believe that a 3pt PTO unit would be less money to purchase. If you are worried about down pressure, you can always get a down pressure unit for the 3pt PHD. The problem with the hydraulic units out on the loader is then you have lost the use of the loader. Lot of people like them though. I think that switching back and forth from the bucket and the PHD would get old real fast. But maybe it is just me.

As far as using the curl function, I think that that would be the last resort, if you didn't have any other types of remotes.

Good luck with whatever you do.

 

[bindian]

If that is your tractor and Bachoe in your avatar, I'd put it on the backhoe. I have provisions for both the backhoe and the loader bucket. I like the backhoe position best. Like MtnViewRanch state.................with it on the loader or even on the side of the bucket, you lose the use of your bucket. Can load posts in the bucket when it has to be 7 foot off the ground to clear the auger.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/build-yourself/229883-hydraulic-auger-mount-9.html shows my front mount and that I like the backhoe mount. Post #84 on tells the problem with loader vs backhoe augering. I can auger in and lift the whole rear of the tractor and put weight on the auger. But haven't needed that much. Usually just augering is with dipper stick and boom force works.

I have been putting a bulkhead in on my pond's dam for a tree. I would move all my equipment in the bucket, along with posts and 2x12s in the bucket with the auger on the backhoe. Here is the link to the thread here.
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/projects/251326-instant-pond-19.html
Check it out the in post 187. Danuser has auger models that use low hyd gpm. Good luck.
hugs, Brandi

 

[bindian]

If that is your tractor and Bachoe in your avatar, I'd put it on the backhoe. I have provisions for both the backhoe and the loader bucket. I like the backhoe position best. Like MtnViewRanch stated.................with it on the loader or even on the side of the bucket, you lose the use of your bucket. You can't load posts in the bucket when it has to be 7 foot off the ground to clear the auger.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/build-yourself/229883-hydraulic-auger-mount-9.html shows my front mount and that I like the backhoe mount. Post #84 on tells the problem with loader vs backhoe augering. I can auger in and lift the whole rear of the tractor and put weight on the auger. But haven't needed that much. Usually just augering is with dipper stick and boom force works.

I have been putting a bulkhead in on my pond's dam for a tree. I would move all my equipment in the bucket, along with posts and 2x12s in the bucket with the auger on the backhoe. Here is the link to the thread here.
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/projects/251326-instant-pond-19.html
Check it out the in post 187. Danuser has auger models that use low hyd gpm. Good luck.
hugs, Brandi

 

[andrehoude123]

Ok thank guys I just need to find how much flow I have from my auxiliary line going to the thumb I'd rather use that line because it's foot Peddle operated and I would not have to take off my hands off the controls and I could also go in reverse right? If ever I get stuck on a root!

 

[Tx Jim]

Another advantage to a loader mounted PH digger that I've seen is the auger will always be pointing straight down which won't be true on a 3 pt model

 

[bindian]

Another advantage to a loader mounted PH digger that I've seen is the auger will always be pointing straight down which won't be true on a 3 pt model

Not true Jim. As the loader arms come down, they radius back a little. The difference will be you have to pull forward on each hole a little to keep the auger straight.

This is one reason they make vertical lift skid steers and tracked mini loaders now. Well, besides easier to pull up to a dump truck and judge the distance to dump.
hugs, Brandi

 

[J_J]

If you hang the auger off the side of the bucket, it will be vertical most of the time.

Auger off the bucket is ideal for many reasons as has been stated.

Just pull the auger off and place in a holder on the top of the bucket. Now you have full use of the bucket.

What disadvantage does anyone see.

The hyd auger on the bucket side, provides a better view.

You have down pressure.

You have fwd and rev.

Your post are in the bucket.

There are probably more good reasons to install the hyd auger on the bucket side.

 

[andrehoude123]

What if want is it on the back hoe have my forks on loaded up with post and I have a creep lever it's perfect to move from hole to hole

 

[Tx Jim]

Not true Jim. As the loader arms come down, they radius back a little. The difference will be you have to pull forward on each hole a little to keep the auger straight.

This is one reason they make vertical lift skid steers and tracked mini loaders now. Well, besides easier to pull up to a dump truck and judge the distance to dump.
hugs, Brandi

Have you ever drilled a post hole with a 3 pt auger on a hillside? I still think the auger on a FEL is easier to drill a straight hole.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Have you ever drilled a post hole with a 3 pt auger on a hillside? I still think the auger on a FEL is easier to drill a straight hole.

Hydraulic side link fixes the side-side problem.

 

[bindian]

If you hang the auger off the side of the bucket, it will be vertical most of the time.

Auger off the bucket is ideal for many reasons as has been stated.

Just pull the auger off and place in a holder on the top of the bucket. Now you have full use of the bucket.

What disadvantage does anyone see.

The hyd auger on the bucket side, provides a better view.

You have down pressure.

You have fwd and rev.

Your post are in the bucket.

There are probably more good reasons to install the hyd auger on the bucket side.

What disadvantage does anyone see? I gather you haven't used an auger on the side of the bucket. Or even read my post that I linked to above.

First off, it is a PITA to remove and replace auger off of the motor just haul some posts in the bucket. Secondly, when you put down force only on one side of the loader bucket......you twist the loader arms. Third, it is easier to keep the auger bit plumb with the backhoe boom and dipperstick then trying to move the tractor a little forward or backward to be plumb. Fourth, I seem to have more flow through the backhoe than the loader circuit.

I have tried both ways, and have provisions to auger from both ways, and I prefer poking holes with the backhoe.
hugs, Brandi

 

[MtnViewRanch]

What disadvantage does anyone see? I gather you haven't used an auger on the side of the bucket. Or even read my post that I linked to above.

First off, it is a PITA to remove and replace auger off of the motor just haul some posts in the bucket. Secondly, when you put down force only on one side of the loader bucket......you twist the loader arms. Third, it is easier to keep the auger bit plumb with the backhoe boom and dipperstick then trying to move the tractor a little forward or backward to be plumb. Fourth, I seem to have more flow through the backhoe than the loader circuit.

I have tried both ways, and have provisions to auger from both ways, and I prefer poking holes with the backhoe.
hugs, Brandi

Brandi, you forgot to list out that you would have to make a special effort to get the bucket low enough to get those posts in and out of the bucket that would otherwise be more than a few feet up in the air with the auger hanging off of it. Everyone is not 7'-8' tall.

I would think that it would be pretty tough to beat drilling with a Back hoe. Other than that, I will stick with my 3pt setup with all the hydraulic adjustments.

 

[bindian]

Brandi, you forgot to list out that you would have to make a special effort to get the bucket low enough to get those posts in and out of the bucket that would otherwise be more than a few feet up in the air with the auger hanging off of it. Everyone is not 7'-8' tall.

I would think that it would be pretty tough to beat drilling with a Back hoe. Other than that, I will stick with my 3pt setup with all the hydraulic adjustments.

Brian,
I guess you could just dump them out. As long as the lines to the auger allow you to dump the bucket.:2cents:
hugs, Brandi

 

[eventer79]

I believe that a 3pt PTO unit would be less money to purchase. If you are worried about down pressure, you can always get a down pressure unit for the 3pt PHD.

Hope this is not too far off subject, but what is a down pressure unit? Obviously the name is...obvious, how does it work?

I have a 3 pt auger with two different bits...this was my experience with it:
We Are Flying Solo: How To Dig A Hole

Down pressure -- WANT!

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Hope this is not too far off subject, but what is a down pressure unit? Obviously the name is...obvious, how does it work?

I have a 3 pt auger with two different bits...this was my experience with it:
We Are Flying Solo: How To Dig A Hole

Down pressure -- WANT!

I went from drilling an 18" hole 4' deep with water soaking and waiting literally for days to having down pressure and drill that same hole dry in less than 2 minutes. Trust me, it makes you a believer real quick. :cool2:

You need a rear remote and a drain to tank inlet. Don't bother with building a kit yourself, just purchase one and be done with it.

 

[TomSeller]

I have a hydraulic auger on the FEL and use the backhoe to set the post. I drop posts off ahead of time where I am working with the FEL. The reason I set up this tractor with the auger on the FEL is so that when setting a corner, I can use the backhoe to set all three posts without moving the tractor. This happens to be just an end cap of 2 posts. After taking this picture, I dug the second hole, then dropped both RR ties in with one setting of the tractor. It is 6 of one, half a dozen of the other, you can do the same with the auger and dig 3 holes with the backhoe. I do like the hydraulic auger compared to the 3 pt, very handy when I need to reverse the auger after getting under a root.

 

[bindian]

I have a hydraulic auger on the FEL and use the backhoe to set the post. I drop posts off ahead of time where I am working with the FEL. The reason I set up this tractor with the auger on the FEL is so that when setting a corner, I can use the backhoe to set all three posts without moving the tractor. This happens to be just an end cap of 2 posts. After taking this picture, I dug the second hole, then dropped both RR ties in with one setting of the tractor. It is 6 of one, half a dozen of the other, you can do the same with the auger and dig 3 holes with the backhoe. I do like the hydraulic auger compared to the 3 pt, very handy when I need to reverse the auger after getting under a root.

Tom,
I can auger three corner holes without moving the tractor with the backhoe. Two holes in a straight line without moving the tractor. I sit posts too big to handle myself with a chain on the loader bucket's side.

andrehoude123,
I guess to answer your original question is to install flow meters on your FEL curl circuit and on your backhoe's curl and dump circuit to see which has the best flow. My BH has better flow than my loader's curl circuit.
hugs, Brandi