Grapple Piranha Root Grapple

[Dougster]

From the Piranha web site: Our grapple is constructed out of A36 steel. It has 1/2" Sides, 3/8" middles and 5/8" tongs.

OK, hot off the press. Just talked to Anita at Piranha. The tongs are 3/4". The web site is wrong.

Not that anyone still cares at this point (except yours truly ), but there is *no* 3/4" steel anywhere on my 66" Piranha root grapple purchased in late-December 2006 and delivered in January 2007. The outer bars/teeth are 5/8". The inner bars/teeth are 3/8". The grapple arms (tongs?) are 5/8". If anything was increased to 3/4" for 2007, that could account for the reported weight difference from my 635 lbs.

The message here: Confirm exactly what you are getting (weight and construction) before you buy... or live with the consequences!

Dougster

 

[Dougster]

The piranha that I have in my ASV looks like it could chew up the other one pictured a couple of posts ago. Look at the hinge pivots- bolts on the light one 1-1/2" pins with grease fittings on the piranha.

I think your point goes right to the heart of the missing 200+ pounds between the 66" Piranha and the 66" Millonzi Light Duty. Yes, they may both feature mostly 3/8" steel construction... and I like them both very much for very different reasons... but the Piranha is definitely over-built and reinforced to the Nth degree whereas the Millionzi Light Duty was specifically designed and built to limit weight.

But let's not forget... Millonzi makes a Heavy Duty grapple too. I'm sure it's built like a brick, ahem... school house! In fact, while there is no 66" model in their HD line, the less wide 60" model already weighs in at 735 lbs... well above my "700 lb or less" goal. Can you say 1/2" construction?

Dougster

 

[IslandTractor]

FYI, I did check with Millonzi on the construction of their LD grapples: 3/8 inch steel for all the tines. I cannot imagine needing more than that unless I was doing construction debris removal with a much more powerful FEL or skid steer.

 

[wkpoor]

I'm patiently waiting the arrival of my Bodozer root grapple any day now. I will curious to see how he keeps the weight reatively low for using 1" and 3/4" material in the tines spaced 5.5" apart. 66" er weighs in at 600 and some change with 2 cylinders. I really liked the half circle profile opened up and the closed profile will allow one to pick up just sticks if need be.

 

[Dougster]

I'm patiently waiting the arrival of my Bodozer root grapple any day now. I will curious to see how he keeps the weight reatively low for using 1" and 3/4" material in the tines spaced 5.5" apart. 66" er weighs in at 600 and some change with 2 cylinders. I really liked the half circle profile opened up and the closed profile will allow one to pick up just sticks if need be.

Do they now make a 66"? None shown on their website:
Borgford Manufacturing - Excellence in design & manufacturing for 21 years!

I too like that rounded claw design for brush, logs and general storm debris... but it wouldn't have worked very well for my root/rock removal needs and moving of construction materials. The fact that they are made in Washington state... 3,000 miles away from me... didn't help either. The only grapple of that general design offered locally was crazy heavy (and crazy expensive).

Dougster

 

[m7040]

The Anbo and Bodozer designs are similar and allows you to get the load closer to the pivot point for bigger lifts. It also allows you to backrake rocks and debris and then close on it. I like the design for my needs as well although will make do with the bucket mounted grapple for now.
One good feature about this design is the ability to use it as a dozer blade with the grapple in the open position. This will be good for raking up burried rocks and debris and then backrake with the curled forward top part of the open grapple into a piles for bigger loads for transport

 

[Dougster]

The Anbo and Bodozer designs are similar and allows you to get the load closer to the pivot point for bigger lifts. It also allows you to backrake rocks and debris and then close on it. I like the design for my needs as well although will make do with the bucket mounted grapple for now.
One good feature about this design is the ability to use it as a dozer blade with the grapple in the open position. This will be good for raking up burried rocks and debris and then backrake with the curled forward top part of the open grapple into a piles for bigger loads for transport

Isn't that funny... both in Washington state. That "claw" design approach must be a left coast thing!

Your points are well-taken. I hadn't thought much about the back-dragging technique (i.e., using the upper teeth) for root & rock removal. Very interesting. Could be quite effective and less strain on the FEL. Dozer technique is an interesting concept as well, although with aggressive use I'd be a little concerned about something snapping back through that center gap and damaging the tractor. That hood is delicate and VERY expensive.

If I am ever successful enough to afford another grapple, I'll have to consider these brands... although the shipping charges from WA to MA may require that I win the lottery once or twice before pulling the trigger! Shipping charges are already killing me on two other attachments I want. Not easy to live in MA so far away from all the tractor/skidsteer equipment manufacturers.

Dougster

 

[IslandTractor]

That "claw" design approach must be a left coast thing!

Actually, WR Long makes a very similar design in NC. Also, the Anbo and Bodozer designs are pretty heavy as others have noted. Any advantage in lift capacity by getting the load closer to the pivot pins is negated by the extra 200+ lbs of grapple weight. If you want to get the load closer to the pivot pins, just curl the grapple up. Works fine.

 

[Dougster]

Actually, WR Long makes a very similar design in NC. Also, the Anbo and Bodozer designs are pretty heavy as others have noted. Any advantage in lift capacity by getting the load closer to the pivot pins is negated by the extra 200+ lbs of grapple weight. If you want to get the load closer to the pivot pins, just curl the grapple up. Works fine.

While these are all essentially "claw" type designs, I can't see using the WR Long grapple for digging out roots & rocks in the same way those heavier duty Washington state designs might be able to handle them (not that I would need that now with the Piranha!)... i.e., backdragging with the top row of teeth curled over.

At the end of the day, I'm sure any decent grapple can probably do any reasonable grappling task. It's just a matter of how effectively and quickly and for how long it might be able to do so. Should I ever win those lotteries and be in the market for a second grapple, it will clearly be of the claw type design... exact brand and model yet to be determined!

Dougster

 

[thunderworks]

Yes, BoDozer makes a 66" model. I have one on my L5030 Kubota. FWIW, I get the impression that Dale Borgford will work very hard from the price point of view to get a sale. He priced the 66" unit to me including freight, 12v diverter, freight, all hoses, couplers etc . . . a complete setup. Borgford Manufacturing appears to be a small, family operation. Working directly with Dale Borgford was easy, pleasant, and I would highly recommend it.

 

[wkpoor]

My grapple is now suposed to be in monday. I was wondering by those who have and use them--- can lifting objects off center that would offer a huge twisting force cause problems for the loader? I'm wanting to lift logs for cutting and will obviously be grapping them other than the center of gravity even if I try otherwise. To state otherwise,can I damage the loader with a heavy load off center.

 

[Dougster]

My grapple is now suposed to be in monday. I was wondering by those who have and use them--- can lifting objects off center that would offer a huge twisting force cause problems for the loader? I'm wanting to lift logs for cutting and will obviously be grapping them other than the center of gravity even if I try otherwise. To state otherwise, can I damage the loader with a heavy load off center.

I think the potential for loader damage is clear with heavy offset loads (e.g., large logs, concrete pipe, etc.) due to the high twisting moment that can be placed on the loader arms. That's why I always try to center my heaviest loads right along the axis of the tractor... even if that means taking a little more time to drag them out and into position where I can get a reasonably centered, balanced grip. In my case, I am also a bit concerned about the quick attach components which seem a bit light-duty for the work I'm doing and planning to do in the future.

Dougster

 

[IslandTractor]

I agree with Dougster, you should try to center loads-- Not only because it is less likely to damage the FEL, but also because it is dangerous to drive with a heavy off center load. Things get "tippy" real fast with a heavy off centered load in the grapple.

That doesn't mean you cannot put one edge of the grapple under a tree root to pop it out but you should probably not do that with something that doesn't "give" pretty readily. I can see the FEL twist sometimes when one side of the grapple is stuck on a root and it doesn't do any more damage than doing the same thing with a toothbar on a bucket but it is not what the FEL is engineered for so it's best to minimize that sort of asymmetric loading.

With a big root ball sometimes you need to center the heavy part and just let the rest hang out the front of the grapple.

 

[kubota4me]

Could somebody please give me a link to Piranha's website? thanks!

 

[Dougster]

Could somebody please give me a link to Piranha's website? thanks!

Looks like they didn't pay their bill!

Google: piranhaattachments exactly as written and then go to the *cached* version of the first listed result. Best you can do for now.

Dougster

 

[kubota4me]

called the number - new website: Piranha Skid Steer Attachments

 

[ScottOkla]

About a dozen of these root grapples have shown up at the local tractor/equipment auction house. This place also sells new equipment, and there are about 100-200 various QA items that seem to be made at the same place. The root grapples say Piranha, I didn't look closely at the others. If you want to see one in the Tulsa area, go to Enlow66 Auction.

 

[Kendall69]

kubota4me

I know this is late in coming BUT, thanks for the NEW link for Piranah.

I have bought several attachments from them, then the link didn't work. I see why now - they changed their name and site.

The grapple I purchased works great on my Kubota 4310, not too heavy.

Yes they will custom build anything you want or tweak the implements they have.

These people are GREAT to work with and I haven't been able to beat their prices.

 

[Crackodawnranch]

Where can I find this grapple for sale? A website please?

 

[davrow]

Where can I find this grapple for sale? A website please?

Sorry, Crack 'o dawn - 6 year old thread. Product does not exist. Millonzi has been out of business for years. Thread has interesting historical value but no present day value.