Pin Hole Too Big

[joefromga]

I don't see why anyone cares. If you don't like a post just ignore it but don't tell others what to post and not to post.

 

[Coyote machine]

"I suppose, since you quoted me you're referring to what I said when you ASSume"

Now now, No cussing on here CM.

Typo murph, . and *** is not swearing, saying someone, in this case the mechanic, is an A- hole is not approiate, and is slandering the persons reputation.

To the others wanting to tar and feather me for saying this type of posting is not suitable here on TBN I say the posts that get removed aren't about tattling or anything similar. It IS about keeping things real, rather than turning TBN into the typical trash talk forums found elsewhere on the net.
People slamming auction sellers for a minor, easily repairable defect on a used piece of junk hoe serves no one here well. Buyer beware, used IS usually abused. If one's not happy, take it up with the seller. There is the only place to have an effective remedy.

 

[LD1]

We agree, slander and libel is not allowed.

In this case, and so many others you whine about, it is not slander.

Slander don't mean saying something that hurts someone's reputation.

Slander/libel is saying something that can be proven to be FALSE that hurts ones reputation. That is not the case in this thread as proof by the pics.

In this case, the company/mechanic deserves to have their reputation hurt, as what they did was 100% deceitful. Only done to hide a known defect and in no way improved the machines function...temporary or otherwise.

Stating the facts, and warning others of they types of things companies/people do to deceive a buyer, is not trash talk, and IMO very welcomed by many and can save someone in the future some hardship.

If you want to play net-nanny, I wish you would take it elsewhere

 

[GPintheMitten]

Whole lot of discussion other than the repair. But I get it.

I notice that Mike in Dewey first only talked about repair and replace without complaining much until he was called out for not inspecting it enough.

This tells me he didn't come here with malicious intentions but did not shy from criticizing the seller when critiqued for sloppy inspection.

That's all I got to say about the controversy.

I think DOM is a good way to go but I would also check with a shop.

 

[LD1]

Now we are nit-picking about terminology. You were the first one to mention slander in this thread, so I continued forth assuming you didn't know the difference. In fact, they really are the same thing, only difference is slander is spoken, and libel is written.

I agree with GPinthemitten that he came here with no ill intent, until he got flamed for buying, as you call it, auction junk. The fact that he bought it from a rather large rental company selling off its old equipment at auction, and the cover-up was a fresh one....proof enough for me that there was willful intent to deceive. I hope you are never on a jury if I ever end up in one of these situations and it goes that far.

Maybe everyone isnt as fortunate at you that can afford new, or like new equipment. But is it too much to ask for a honest buy? Auction or not? And not have a seller willingly try to cover up a flaw and be deceitful?

If there is someone out there doing shady work, and trying to deceive, I want to know about it. Not have someone whine about it til the truth gets erased from internet existence. Which you have caused to happen on more than one occasion, then have the audacity to claim you don't like seeing threads get removed.:mur:

Fact is, any review on the internet of products ore services, weather good or bad, is always one-sided. If prooven to be FALSE, then there is a case for libel if the accused wants to persue, that's there right.

As for the OP, Dom tubing would be an excellent choice. Another option would be to run an expandable reemer through it til the hole is true, then have a machine shop make a 1-1/4 ID bushing, and match the OD accordingly. A couple bushings should be cake work for even a small machine shop

 

[Coyote machine]

Now we are nit-picking about terminology. You were the first one to mention slander in this thread, so I continued forth assuming you didn't know the difference. In fact, they really are the same thing, only difference is slander is spoken, and libel is written.

I agree with GPinthemitten that he came here with no ill intent, until he got flamed for buying, as you call it, auction junk. The fact that he bought it from a rather large rental company selling off its old equipment at auction, and the cover-up was a fresh one....proof enough for me that there was willful intent to deceive. I hope you are never on a jury if I ever end up in one of these situations and it goes that far.

Maybe everyone isnt as fortunate at you that can afford new, or like new equipment. But is it too much to ask for a honest buy? Auction or not? And not have a seller willingly try to cover up a flaw and be deceitful?

If there is someone out there doing shady work, and trying to deceive, I want to know about it. Not have someone whine about it til the truth gets erased from internet existence. Which you have caused to happen on more than one occasion, then have the audacity to claim you don't like seeing threads get removed.:mur:

Fact is, any review on the internet of products ore services, weather good or bad, is always one-sided. If prooven to be FALSE, then there is a case for libel if the accused wants to persue, that's there right.

As for the OP, Dom tubing would be an excellent choice. Another option would be to run an expandable reemer through it til the hole is true, then have a machine shop make a 1-1/4 ID bushing, and match the OD accordingly. A couple bushings should be cake work for even a small machine shop

You're going to tell me about the differences between slander and libel? That's a joke in and of itself. You can barely write a sentence without messing up spelling, grammar and other basic English tools. Ever tried spell check- oh, I know your response already- why worry about things like this.... grammar police, spelling police, etc. Read your sentences above- they make NO sense, whatsoever. Everything you write has to be filtered as to it's supposed intent/message.... and even then it's still just trash nonsense.
Right, why worry about expressing oneself clearly and concisely in one's native language?

Of course you can't understand why I would not like a specific instance, which I clearly cited, when people on TBN are considered by the mods to be arguing, and THEN a thread is closed because of it. Need I explain it further? This has nothing to do with your favorite word, 'whining'; which you seem to do throughout this thread - about everything and anything you can throw down. Don't worry I'll never be on any jury you might be being tried and convicted by, for whatever crime you have likely committed.

And, nothing gets erased from existence when a thread gets closed; it's all still there forever, for anyone to read, if they chose to. It's the internet, not your personal scratchpad?!

I'm sure of one thing; you could never be deceived by the out there to get you through deceitful practices guys, who lurk around every corner looking to take advantage of the less fortunate, and apparently clueless auction buyers all across America. You're there to make sure that no one ever gets a bad deal, because how would anyone know this kind of thing happens unless people come here and express their buyers remorse with only facts and pics that tell the truth, no question, because they've been put on the internet.

Think whatever you want, I have no more time to waste on this nonsense.

The fix is simple: get it fixed by someone who knows how to weld equipment, and does it on a regular basis.

 

[Mike in Dewey]

Coyote machine:
I am going to go out on a limb and assume that most tractors in use today are not currently owned by their original purchaser. Used tractors (and cars and houses and boats) are regularly bought and sold and to suggest that just because they are not new, they must be abused is likely libelous to many of their previous owners. The additional assumption that a tractor seller that is not a dealer must obviously be trying to hide at least one thing from a prospective buyer is also likely libelous to all of the honest folks out there that no longer have a need for their tractor (which was the case for the tractor I bought - they were eliminating that size and type of equipment from all of their west coast locations; something I verified before placing a bid which also explained 3 like machines (same model, same year of manufacture) that were being sold. I also received assurance from the previous owner that all 3 units were fully serviced and suitable, if not sold, to be rented.). I believe that reproaching me for not buying new, and apparently naively expecting honesty and integrity from the non-dealer seller, and having a budget that was not large enough to include a warranty, you just condemned by inference the majority of tractor owners and used tractor sellers out there. My calling out a single vendor seems miniscule in comparison. Perhaps there have been too many assumptions here.

For the record, the posted pictures are of my backhoe and if all such pictures are supposed to include an in-focus, current newspaper front page to validate the date, along with GPS coordinates, I can make that happen in order to alleviate your inference that I might have nefariously found the picture from somewhere on the internet. Should you have a question that makes the situation clearer to you so that your valued intelligence can be applied, I suggest that you simply ask it. When I have time, I promise to honestly reply.

To those with constructive suggestions and backing, thanks. I am still trying to find the local mobile welder that has experience in similar repairs. The DOM tubing is on order. However, in changing the hydraulic fluid I found some suspicious wiring underneath that had mostly been covered in electrical tape. Upon removal of the tape, some non-standard wiring was revealed along with two in-line 40 AMP fuses. With time, I will attempt to figure out their purpose but suspect that it was to bypass or quick-fix something. Dang I guess I should have seen that issue during the inspection also.

 

[LD1]

However, in changing the hydraulic fluid I found some suspicious wiring underneath that had mostly been covered in electrical tape. Upon removal of the tape, some non-standard wiring was revealed along with two in-line 40 AMP fuses. With time, I will attempt to figure out their purpose but suspect that it was to bypass or quick-fix something. Dang I guess I should have seen that issue during the inspection also.

Run the machine and pop the fuses out one at a time and see what no longer works on the machine.

 

[murphy1244]

Run the machine and pop the fuses out one at a time and see what no longer works on the machine.

Smart!

 

[GPintheMitten]

Mike, sometimes you have to ignore some posters. Here's hoping you get it all figured out.

I disabled the operator presence switch under my seat. Some do this and others consider it a no no. To each their own on that.

The way I did it was to insert a fuse in a connector because it happened to be the right size to complete the circuit. Maybe the previous owner did the same. It is not really to function as a fuse but to complete the circuit that the seat switch did.

 

[carmedic310]

I buy a lot of equipment at auctions.I never buy anything at an auction with the pretense there is nothing wrong with it.I fully expect to find some issues.If I do not find anything I look at it as a plus for me.There is a reason why folks would take a piece of machinery to an Auction and be happy with what it will bring.All Auctions I have ever been to have signs that state all items sold as is where is.I do agree its buyer beware.If the items bid got too high YOU still had the option to bid or stop bidding.Never EXPECT a used piece of machinery at an AUCTION to be in tip top shape or even GOOD shape.You just never know.As far as sueing Im sure it would be wasted money as the Auctions have seen all this time and time again and their paperwork as far as liability is rock solid or they would not be around long

 

[downsizingnow48]

Mike keep posting. I for one will be very interested to see how you get the machine shaped up. The strength of TBN is that folks have a ton of real world experience. Every once in a while you might get some unexpected lifestyle counseling along with it, not that big a deal in the overall scheme, all grist for the mill.

 

[TMGT]

I've done a bit of repair work like this before, mostly on trash trucks and heavy equipment( excavators, wheels loaders etc.).

Couple things I've noticed, first is that Kubota uses a cast swing assembly, what it's cast out of I don't know as I've never had to do any repairs to one. This will greatly effect the repair based on its weld ability. If it's a cast iron you'll have a hard time welding DOM to it and will require a very good press fit, something I've never seen done by hand well enough to last. A less then round hole will quickly pound the bushing lose again.

Even if it's a cast steel it can be pretty hard to get a good fit by hand and the small movement can cause the weld to fail, I've dealt with this first hand a number of times.

This repair can be done on the machine, the best way is to use a line boring setup, not usually somthing you can rent, but depending on your mechanical aptitude, a simple one can be made.

Have you pulled the pin and looked at the lower hole yet? Curious to see if it looks the same.

As for the washer welded on, I'm not going to assume what the person that did its intentions were, but if that pin was moving enough to break or loosen the retaining bolt it may have been welded on to prevent the pin from falling out. I've seen this done before. Somtimes it's done on the job sites by whoever, even on rental equipment when it's long term lease.

Another thing I've found in the equipment business is that good working order doesn't mean prefect and tight, just that it functions as it should and is operable which it sounds like this unit is. Not defending the company as I don't know who did the work or if they did anything intentionally to deceive or not.
Just some observations from being around equipment and rentals.

 

[GPintheMitten]

Actually it looks like a small pin was used.

Any update?

 

[Coyote machine]

Coyote machine:
I am going to go out on a limb and assume that most tractors in use today are not currently owned by their original purchaser. Used tractors (and cars and houses and boats) are regularly bought and sold and to suggest that just because they are not new, they must be abused is likely libelous to many of their previous owners. The additional assumption that a tractor seller that is not a dealer must obviously be trying to hide at least one thing from a prospective buyer is also likely libelous to all of the honest folks out there that no longer have a need for their tractor (which was the case for the tractor I bought - they were eliminating that size and type of equipment from all of their west coast locations; something I verified before placing a bid which also explained 3 like machines (same model, same year of manufacture) that were being sold. I also received assurance from the previous owner that all 3 units were fully serviced and suitable, if not sold, to be rented.). I believe that reproaching me for not buying new, and apparently naively expecting honesty and integrity from the non-dealer seller, and having a budget that was not large enough to include a warranty, you just condemned by inference the majority of tractor owners and used tractor sellers out there. My calling out a single vendor seems miniscule in comparison. Perhaps there have been too many assumptions here.

For the record, the posted pictures are of my backhoe and if all such pictures are supposed to include an in-focus, current newspaper front page to validate the date, along with GPS coordinates, I can make that happen in order to alleviate your inference that I might have nefariously found the picture from somewhere on the internet. Should you have a question that makes the situation clearer to you so that your valued intelligence can be applied, I suggest that you simply ask it. When I have time, I promise to honestly reply.

To those with constructive suggestions and backing, thanks. I am still trying to find the local mobile welder that has experience in similar repairs. The DOM tubing is on order. However, in changing the hydraulic fluid I found some suspicious wiring underneath that had mostly been covered in electrical tape. Upon removal of the tape, some non-standard wiring was revealed along with two in-line 40 AMP fuses. With time, I will attempt to figure out their purpose but suspect that it was to bypass or quick-fix something. Dang I guess I should have seen that issue during the inspection also.

Since you addressed me specifically, I will respond.
You should read the post on the next page by the poster carmedic310. He does a good job of saying exactly what I've been saying about used auctioned equipment.
I don't make assumptions about whatever you're rambling on about in your 10th post on this forum.
You chose to come here to lament the burn you felt from buying a used hoe that you missed a marginal repair on and think that lambasting the mechanic, auction company and any one else you could broadbrush into your cry of being ripped off is the way to conduct yourself.
It's not.
The posters who need to be ignored here are those who think crying foul is the way to set things straight when, through their own lack of knowledge, end up on the short end of a stick.
Fact is trying to sue an auction company over an incredibly minor issue with a used piece of equipment is an effort in futility.
I would bet my last nickel you would fail miserably in any attempt to do so.
You clearly do not understand anything I've said to date.
Let me try to make it clear as possible. Buying used equipment, tractor, car, boat, house, whatever, at auction, WILL result in hidden defects, in almost every situation.
IF you can't abide by these inherent risks, then buy new, or used with a warranty.
Even buying new with a warranty from a manufacturer does not guarantee that issues won't arise, it merely allows the buyer greater assurance that,what they've bought is covered during the warranty period.

So, it's more about how you went about stating your complaints than it is that you have a complaint about buying used and feeling abused.

You, and plenty of other Americans feel the instant resolution to any perceived slight or problem is to immediately sue the other party. That's one way to go about dispute resolution; though clearly not the best or most effective means.

You put your money down in a venue where you seem to have little experience. You got what you paid for; a used hoe. End of story. Some one wins, some one looses. It depends on how one chooses to view it. You didn't get exactly what you would have liked to, and that made you mad. Next time maybe you'll look closer, or buy from a tractor dealer, either new or used. Either way you have, as does anyone, various options. Good luck in future purchases. Live and learn.

 

[the old grind]

Actually it looks like a small pin was used.

OEM pin replaced with smaller one and washer added to keep it in place, then left in half-baked state before sale?

Have been using 'stress-proof' free-machining steel for pins. It has extrude-formed uniform OD (like DOM) so surface-toughened a bit similar to shot-peened. Tough enough to work but just soft enough to take wear vs holes getting worn oblong. Drill & tap for 'keepers' etc vs weld, as its free-machining components deny decent welds. (Be sure to add grease groove(s) to pin or bushing(s) as needed.)
TOG

 

[Bansil]

I am leaning towards the last 2 posts

notice pictures side by side?

the wall thickness of the tractor side of pin hole is visually the same about casting web thickness

also notice distance from center line of pin to back of the cylinder diameter

also notice the cylinder is vertical as in the top and bottom pushed back the same

So I think a smaller pin was used; notice it is a lot smaller than other-side? compare pin size to a casting flange for comparison

I say factory pin was sheared, possibly doing some damage to bore which forced an under size pin to be stuck in it and a washer keeps it from falling out...or they didn't have a factory pin to replace it with


What do I win?

 

[aczlan]

If it was mine, both pins would have already been out (its only 4 bolts right? 10-15 minutes tops?) so I could compare the pin and hole sizes.

Aaron Z

 

[lostcreekranch]

If it was mine, both pins would have already been out (its only 4 bolts right? 10-15 minutes tops?) so I could compare the pin and hole sizes. Aaron Z

What, and miss 4 weeks of name calling?

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