Pin Hole Too Big

[JRobyn]

Almost like there's supposed to be a bushing in there that's missing.

 

[aczlan]

Kinda my thoughts in requesting a pic of the other side as well.
If the boom swing cylinders were push-pull (DA) type (rather than push only SA like a snowplow), and the one cylinder is good an tight, pushing the boom my hand wouldnt show anything unusual.

Looks like its a pair of double acting cylinders with the rod side of one teed to the base side of the other:

Almost like there's supposed to be a bushing in there that's missing.

That hole looks really big and suspiciously round, I almost wonder if that pin is too small for the hole (ie: the original pin was replaced with a skinnier one)?

Aaron Z

 

[LD1]

Agree about the hole looking too big and too round as mentioned.

If they are DA cylinders as you say Aaron, and the other side has a right pin, you wouldn't see any slop by hand. It would operate similar to a rear blade or snowplow with a single cylinder.

Some are set up as push only cylinders, then you would feel every bit of that slop by hand.

 

[PILOON]

Generally DOM tubing is great to make bushings.

ID is accurate and plenty of OD to machine down to hole size. Also enough 'meat' that there is no distortion when welding the bushing in place. Even if the OD is not perfect fit for the worn out hole welding takes care of that. Just have a length of pin on hand to assure good alignment when welding the bushings in place.
Naturally a reamer assures proper alignment and fit.

 

[bamboozled]

Need to break it down and at least remove the pins and swing the rod ends out to see what is going on.

But I notice in your picture the two bolts that hold the pin in, the one on the right looks backed out and the one on the left looks rounded off. Two different type of bolts as well, by looking at the markings on the heads.

 

[bamboozled]

Only other pic I've been able to find, for comparison/reference:

http://equipmentforsalebuy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012-kubota-l39-backhoe-loader-5.jpg

 

[Mike in Dewey]

The left side pin is good to go. Proper pin size is 1-1/4 in. and the covered, oversized hole is roughly 1-3/4 in. There is no bushing on the swing frame but there is between the pin and cylinder's swing rod. The swing rod has the grease fitting and the guess is that it wasn't lubed, resulting in the swing rod freezing to the bearing which froze to the pin with apparent impressive adhesion. The best guess regarding the nice roundness of the oversized hole is that for every movement of the backhoe to the left there was also one to the right and the two swing cylinders were nicely balanced. I still haven't ground off the washer as I found that they also messed around with the wiring to disable the seat safeties and for some reason installed two in-line 40 amp fuses that were mysteriously installed underneath the body, so now I'm trying to re-trace their logic and return those things back to spec.

 

[Mike in Dewey]

PILOON - Thanks for great suggestion. DOM tubing is something new for me and, in looking at its specs and price it seems that a length could be fit and welded to go from the top to the bottom of the frame, filling both holes, and then the middle portion cut out to make room for the cylinder's swing rod. That should assure (pretty much) alignment of the two holes. If all goes well, that might mean that the work can be done on site instead of having to take the swing frame to the machinist.

 

[Coyote machine]

You're new here, so like a lot of people who start out here you probably think its OK to slam a company on the internet, call them A-holes, and pontificate on the way Capitalism works, and what's right and wrong about how Caveat Emptor works, and so on. Well, it doesn't work that way here. You can't call a business or individuals 'A-holes' on TBN, or most places on the net without opening yourself up to being sued for libel. AND, you signed an agreement before becoming a member of TBN that states this kind of behavior is prohibited here. So, if you don't like what you bought at auction, and feel deceived by them, for doing what many many companies might have done to fix the hoe enough for it to go to auction; then you need to get a better grip on reality.
Deceit to you is functionality from the seller's POV. If you want factory fresh, buy new and get a warranty. If you go to an equipment auction and buy used, you get used, sometimes abused. Problem; take it up with the company that sold it to you.
It is ridiculously naive to think you're owed more for what you bought.

As far as a repair, do what makes the most economical sense, and move on. BTW, that's what the former owner did.

 

[LD1]

So, if you don't like what you bought at auction, and feel deceived by them, for doing what many many companies might have done to fix the hoe enough for it to go to auction; then you need to get a better grip on reality.
Deceit to you is functionality from the seller's POV.

Deceit IMO, since there was nothing at all functional about the repair.

If they had welded a 1-1/4 washer to the swing frame...I can see that as a temp repair. But welding the washer to the pin does nothing functional at all other than mask a big problem. It's like filling a cracked casting with body putty and painting it to deliberately hide a defect. Does nothing functionally......

A company like that, IMO, should be called out so we as consumers can avoid them. But we can come on here and sing praise all day long when a company goes above and beyond, likewise we should be able to express when we were wronged. But nothing like a double standard. State the facts from your side, and how you feel you were wronged and let each person judge for themselves IMO. But I know that's not what you are about...

 

[Coyote machine]

Deceit IMO, since there was nothing at all functional about the repair.

If they had welded a 1-1/4 washer to the swing frame...I can see that as a temp repair. But welding the washer to the pin does nothing functional at all other than mask a big problem. It's like filling a cracked casting with body putty and painting it to deliberately hide a defect. Does nothing functionally......

A company like that, IMO, should be called out so we as consumers can avoid them. But we can come on here and sing praise all day long when a company goes above and beyond, likewise we should be able to express when we were wronged. But nothing like a double standard. State the facts from your side, and how you feel you were wronged and let each person judge for themselves IMO. But I know that's not what you are about...

I suppose, since you quoted me you're referring to what I said when you ASSume what I'm all about. You know nothing about what I'm about, but hey if I don't see it your way I'm all about some fantasy in your mind. Fact is, one can come on TBN and sing praises of companies that do well by their customers, but one CAN'T come here and badmouth a company, or a mechanic, and use inappropriate language and libelous statements while doing so. Read the EULA, you too agreed to it, we all did; oh but probably only when it suits your agenda.

There is a way to state one's case of one feels ripped off or burned, this is not an example of how it's supposed to be done here and you know why. It is not fair to the dealers, sellers, auction companies. Why? Because it presents only one side of a story, and a biased one at that.

Buying junk at auctions is just that - buyer beware. If one knows what they're buying then they should be able to spot defects.
If not, well then that's the risk of buying used, and more so at an auction.

Had the pin been repaired to close to 100% of new the item would have likely brought more money at sale time. The buyer is not happy- understandably, except he knew he was taking risks buying at auction that might not exist if he bought used from a dealer or individual. Was it an intentional coverup? Did the buyer miss the defect? Could he possibly work something out with the seller?
I don't hear him saying he's trying to work on resolution- I do hear he wants to sue to set things right, for him. Again, not the best approach, and not likely to result in anything but more wasted money and time. Best to fix it as suggested here and move on. Life's short, just live it to the fullest, and don't go back to the auctions to buy with high expectations of what one is likely to get for one's money. Try the track or a casino to see where the deck is really stacked against the unaware.:confused3:

 

[LD1]

I say "that's what you are all about" because there have been many many times in the past where you make a post just like this, in a thread where someone is trying to share a negative experience, and moments later the thread is closed and posts deleted.

I am glad we have you to play net nanny. We should be allowed to share experiences, good and bad. How else are we as consumers to make an informed decision. Many other places online have reviews, negative or positive. No one is preventing a dealer from posting here. They are welcome to share their side.

I'll respect the mods decisions, whatever they do. But I am sure you already have this thread on its way to being closed

 

[City Farmer]

If this is the only problem the OP has with this tractor he'll be $$$$ ahead in be long run. If the welded on washer was a "fix" to get a job done, it was a job well done. If the washer was a "fix" to sell the tractor at auction, job well done (it sold right?). Either way, it needs to be taken apart and repaired the right way. Anyone that buys ANYTHING used and doesn't plan on turning a wrench, has no business buying anything without a warranty.

 

[Coyote machine]

I say "that's what you are all about" because there have been many many times in the past where you make a post just like this, in a thread where someone is trying to share a negative experience, and moments later the thread is closed and posts deleted.

I am glad we have you to play net nanny. We should be allowed to share experiences, good and bad. How else are we as consumers to make an informed decision. Many other places online have reviews, negative or positive. No one is preventing a dealer from posting here. They are welcome to share their side.

I'll respect the mods decisions, whatever they do. But I am sure you already have this thread on its way to being closed

You're out of line. Many, many times I've posted, and then moments later a thread like this is closed....is total trash talk.
Threads like this get closed because people don't abide by the rules of TBN, and want to whine about how badly they were ripped off when they bought used junk, and then want to slam anyone within listening area of their unfounded complaints.
If you respected the moderators and the rules of TBN this 'discussion' wouldn't be happening.
What you can do on other forums is irrelevant here. This isn't those other forums, it is TBN, and is oriented to being friendly and family oriented, not the usual rant and rave, free for all internet trash talking nonsense.

I don't make up TBN'S rules, but I do abide by them, as should you and the thread OP. Dealers are protected by TBN because they don't always know when someone like you or the OP decides to get on here and slam their business practices without an opportunity to defend themselves. Plus it breaks various laws to just say whatever one wants to about individuals and businesses without recourse, so TBN, not me, does not allow illegal activity.
You want to hang out where it's a free for all of whatever opinion one wants to express, regardless of their biased axe being ground- feel free to go there, and get the negative reviews and all the 'truth' you need to make 'informed' decisions.

As City Farmer said above:Quote:"If this is the only problem the OP has with this tractor he'll be $$$$ ahead in be long run. If the welded on washer was a "fix" to get a job done, it was a job well done. If the washer was a "fix" to sell the tractor at auction, job well done (it sold right?). Either way, it needs to be taken apart and repaired the right way. Anyone that buys ANYTHING used and doesn't plan on turning a wrench, has no business buying anything without a warranty." Well stated City Farmer. You obviously know where it's at when it comes to buying used equipment, it says it all that it's USED, right?!:confused3::confused2:

 

[LD1]

I have read the rules and user agreement many times.

I can never find anything about mentioning a dealer by name if you had a bad experience.

Sometimes the threads go on, other times not. So I assume it is all up to how many people complain about it.

Not out of line at all. Stated the facts: that you are usually the one to quickly call out the "bashing". And most those threads get closed.

I have also stated my opinion. Just wanted to clarify the difference.

 

[downsizingnow48]

Maybe the OP came to TBN to be schooled on character flaws.

I am assuming he is at least equally interested in the fix.

From what I can see, it should be kinda easy as these things go.

1.25" ID x 1.75" OD is a standard DOM size. A couple pieces welded in top and bottom, using a pin to hold them in line. Done. Might have to work on the holes a bit with a small flap wheel to get the 1.75" OD fit. I would guess it can be done without further disassembly.

 

[Coyote machine]

I have read the rules and user agreement many times.

I can never find anything about mentioning a dealer by name if you had a bad experience.

Sometimes the threads go on, other times not. So I assume it is all up to how many people complain about it.

Not out of line at all. Stated the facts: that you are usually the one to quickly call out the "bashing". And most those threads get closed.

I have also stated my opinion to clarify the difference.

It's sort of pointless to try to talk rationally to you. You seem to be under the impression that TBN condones calling people A- holes, and deceiptful, etc. As part of its user agreement?! Please show me where exactly...

I don't close threads, the mods do. They do so because of innapropriate behavior, swearing, etc.

Funny I've posted numerous times here in this thread, and I reported innapropriate language AND behavior, yet it's still going. Your theory proven wrong.

And, just because you say something, or assume something does NOT make it a fact. It does however make it your opinion. You might want to consider looking up the difference, rather than trying to prove a nonexistent point.

 

[murphy1244]

"I suppose, since you quoted me you're referring to what I said when you ASSume"

Now now, No cussing on here CM.

 

[LD1]

It's sort of pointless to try to talk rationally to you. You seem to be under the impression that TBN condones calling people A- holes, and deceiptful, etc. As part of its user agreement?! Please show me where exactly...

I don't close threads, the mods do. They do so because of innapropriate behavior, swearing, etc.

Funny I've posted numerous times here in this thread, and I reported innapropriate language AND behavior, yet it's still going. Your theory proven wrong.

And, just because you say something, or assume something does NOT make it a fact. It does however make it your opinion. You might want to consider looking up the difference, rather than trying to prove a nonexistent point.

I never said they condone anything.

The user agreement basically says that TBN is not responsible for what is posted here, and that we are not allowed to post anything libelous.

The definition of libel is saying something that ISNT TRUE to hurt ones reputation. Keyword being that it has to be a lie or FALSE.

Simply posting that a company did wrong, and calling them out on it is NOT libel. As one would have to prove what you said to be a lie.

The OP shows proof in the pictures. And the word deceitful is 100% accurate. As what they did only covered the issue, and did nothing to make it any better in the form of a temporary fix.

Putting pepper or stopleak, or whatever in a radiator because of a leak, just to sell a machine, would be considered a "fix" to get by as it will stop the problem. Doing something to only hide an issue....if that aint deceptive then your definition is different than mine.

And maybe the mods already addressed it, but didnt see anywhere that A-hole was used other than your posts saying it was. Perhaps I overlooked it??? Im a big boy, and dont go tattle everytime I hear a minor swear word.

But the bigger issue seems to be you want all threads that mention anything bad to be removed. Heck, there is/was a whole thread about HF tools that suck. Posts about "dont use this kind of paint cause it sucks", or I dont like my (insert tractor model) because...... , or dont buy a light duty TSC implement, get a woods or landpride instead, or threads about cell phone companies or cable companies that try to rip you off, etc etc etc.

How is this thread any different than any of those? If all the threads that said something negative about a product were removed.......and this forum was only page after page of the positives because all the negatives were deleted.....TBN would be about a big waste of time for anyone wanting to research a product.

 

[two_bit_score]

You're new here, so like a lot of people who start out here you probably think its OK to slam a company on the internet, call them A-holes, and pontificate on the way Capitalism works, and what's right and wrong about how Caveat Emptor works, and so on. Well, it doesn't work that way here. You can't call a business or individuals 'A-holes' on TBN, or most places on the net without opening yourself up to being sued for libel. AND, you signed an agreement before becoming a member of TBN that states this kind of behavior is prohibited here. So, if you don't like what you bought at auction, and feel deceived by them, for doing what many many companies might have done to fix the hoe enough for it to go to auction; then you need to get a better grip on reality.
Deceit to you is functionality from the seller's POV. If you want factory fresh, buy new and get a warranty. If you go to an equipment auction and buy used, you get used, sometimes abused. Problem; take it up with the company that sold it to you.
It is ridiculously naive to think you're owed more for what you bought.

As far as a repair, do what makes the most economical sense, and move on. BTW, that's what the former owner did.

You're so defensive it would give the impression you were the consignor on that tractor.