? on B2650 50 hr. service

[HEC]

My dealer is 50 miles away so when I got the tractor I bought hyd. fluid , oil , and filters for the 50 hr. service . I only bought an oil filter ( HH160 ) and one hyd. filter ( HH660 ) as that is what they said I needed . I just looked in the manual and find out there is another hyd. suction filter ( HH670 ) which they didn't tell me about . Should that be changed also ?
Thanks,
Herb

 

[AStanton]

I would change the oil, oil filter, and both hydraulic filters. I wouldn't mess with the air, fuel, or front end fluid. And grease the zerks.

 

[sandyc]

I agree with replacing both hydro filters. They are available from messicks with same day shipping

 

[HEC]

I agree on changing both, the manual is not very explicit on the hyd. suction filter . I can't imagine why the parts person didn't include that filter or at least mention it .Thanks for the input .

 

[s219]

The owner's manual should have a schedule for the various services. Look in the row for the hydraulic filter and then trace over to the 50 hr column. If there's a dot there, replace it. If not, leave it be. Not all filters get replaced at 50 hrs.

On my B2920, only the HST filter was on the 50 hr service, not the hydraulic filter. On my L3200, both the HST filter and the hydraulic filter were listed on the 50 hr service. Being a B series, I wouldn't be surprise if your 2650 was like my 2920 for maintenance schedule.

EDIT TO ADD: You don't need to replace the hydraulic fluid at 50 hrs, just the filters.

 

[HEC]

S219 you are correct in the fact that there wasn't a check mark on the hyd. filter but it just seemed strange as it is all the same fluid being used, and under transmission it said ( filters ) for 50 hr. service . For the extra $15.00 I guess I will change both just for peace of mind .

 

[s219]

The filters have two different purposes. I wouldn't bother with the hydraulic filter if it's not called for at 50 hrs. Only certain Kubota models call for it then. You will get it at one of the later service intervals.

The HST filter is easy to do without losing a lot of fluid -- just raise that left side of the tractor up on blocks, or park on an incline so it's uphill. You won't lose very much. The hydraulic filter is harder to change without losing fluid, just because of the way it's plumbed. For that, you'd need to raise the right side, plug the breather port, and maybe pull a suction on the filler port. There are a few suggestions floating around here.

 

[bumperm]

Using suction (shop vac) on the hydraulic fill port, as suggested in other threads here, worked amazingly well on my B3350 when changing the HST filter at the 50 hour. I had the new filter all prepped (light coat of silicone grease on seal ring) and ready, thinking I'd lose lots of oil. Lost less than half a quart and then it sort of just dripped until I got the new filter on . . . which took some time due to fumble fingers.

bumper

 

[JOHNTHOMAS]

The owner's manual should have a schedule for the various services. Look in the row for the hydraulic filter and then trace over to the 50 hr column. If there's a dot there, replace it. If not, leave it be. Not all filters get replaced at 50 hrs.

On my B2920, only the HST filter was on the 50 hr service, not the hydraulic filter. On my L3200, both the HST filter and the hydraulic filter were listed on the 50 hr service. Being a B series, I wouldn't be surprise if your 2650 was like my 2920 for maintenance schedule.

EDIT TO ADD: You don't need to replace the hydraulic fluid at 50 hrs, just the filters.

I agree with this and only changed the one fluid filter plus oil and oil filter when I changed mine on the B2620 per owners manual at 50 hours. If you get into the do it anyway because it just seems like you should and with the cost of the equipment mode you'll be wasting a lot of money over the life of a tractor. Oil gets dirty, hyd fluid usually doesn't so that first 50 on hyd fluid one filter is probably to catch any small bits of metal in the first filter.

 

[HEC]

Decisions Decisions ---------If all else fails follow the manual and just change hst filter , do the eng. oil and filter , the manufacturer should know best . These things cost so much money you hate to cut corners on the smaller stuff. Thanks everyone for your input .

 

[Kanook]

This thread got me a little concerned about my 50hr service that I did a short while ago on my 2650HSDC. I dutifully replaced the engine oil and filter and HST filter at 49.5 hrs. After reading this thread it got me worring that I may have replaced the Hydraulic Oil filter instead.....had to double check myself and make sure as I had only looked at the 50hr service column and didn't even realize there was a 2nd filter until reading this thread. I had a 50/50 chance of getting it right....and I did replace the correct one...whew!

This tractor forum has been very helpfull in educating me on my 'botas.....

 

[AStanton]

You can follow the owner's manual. However, look at the manuals for most new cars. They tell you to change the oil at 7,500 miles. I, personally, would never do that.

 

[s219]

You can follow the owner's manual. However, look at the manuals for most new cars. They tell you to change the oil at 7,500 miles. I, personally, would never do that.

Two recent Hondas we owned had oil change intervals of 10,000 miles, with filter changed every other time. I followed that schedule straight up.

Traded one of them in at 90,000 miles on my new truck, and it was still running like new, and still never used a drop of oil between services. I think between improved manufacturing and better engineering, modern oil change intervals are reasonable.

 

[HEC]

Two recent Hondas we owned had oil change intervals of 10,000 miles, with filter changed every other time. I followed that schedule straight up.

Traded one of them in at 90,000 miles on my new truck, and it was still running like new, and still never used a drop of oil between services. I think between improved manufacturing and better engineering, modern oil change intervals are reasonable.

I am just not sure the oil filters have come that far to last that long , hope you are right .

 

[Navasot]

Most important is your oil and oil filter since there is a breakin oil in the tractor that NEEDs to be changed at 50 hours. The other filters are more or less recommended changing that early just incase some slag from assembly was caught and pass the risk of further problems. Some will not even change the other filters and just do the engine oil/filter.

 

[HEC]

I wanted to use a syn. motor oil but my Kubota dealer didn't even have syn. oil and mentioned I should at least use the Kubota oil and filters until the warranty period was over than use what ever I wanted .I will always use Kubota filters just from reading different things here on this forum .

 

[tk tom]

I changed all 3 filters on mine. I've had the loader off a few times for various reasons and figured the more I hook/unhook it is better reason to change all filters.

I don't know the different between the two hydro filters - but one of them was a breeze to swap. The other spilled a ton of fluid when I removed it. I was thankfully ready to go with the other one in hand but it caught me off guard. Which one is it that gushes when you remove it?

 

[s219]

The hydraulic filter is the one that gushes. If you plug the breather vent, it won't do that.

 

[bumperm]

Better even than plugging the breather is using the "shop vac" trick.

Hook up the vacuum hose to the filler (may need to find or make an appropriate tube, or duct tape kluge something together). Loosen filter, prep the replacement filter as desired (wipe silicone grease on O-ring etc), turn on vac, and when you remove the old filter you'll lose maybe a quarter cup of fluid - a dollop will come out and then it will miraculously slow to just a drip.

bumper

 

[tk tom]

I guess I wasn't so much as worried about the fluid loss as I was surprised. So the one that does not gush is the HST filter and the gusher is the hydraulic system? Good to know.