OMG what a mess.

[JohnDeere4300]

I was clearing off some more property Friday and remember something hitting the bottom of the tractor, but never got off to check for any damage.

I did a full service on the tractor yesterday and found a big problem.

It doesn't leak, but could be a problem later if i needed to unhook them, but i could unhook the second hose first then unhook the first hose.
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Should i leave it alone since it doesn't leak?

Should i go ahead and get the parts to fix it?

Or could i unhook them and try to bend it back out?_____

 

[JB4310]

Boy that's bent in a real oddball way for something coming from underneath, I'd say you dodged a bullet any more twisting there and something would of let loose.

This is just a suggestion and others may disagree but that hard line is gonna be the tricky part, if you take it apart and straighten the bracket which will be fairly simple, your gonna have trouble getting that steel line to line up. trying to bend the steel line by it self might kink it.

You might try and take the loader hose off those 2 outboard lines and try and bend the bracket and that outermost steel line at the same time this way everything stays lined up, you don't need to have it come out perfectly straight but as long as you can get to the disconnects to take them on and off easily when needed, you should be good.

If you could slip a very large adjustable wrench over that bracket and force it rearward grab the line with your other hand and try to persuade it to move the way it needs to go.

This may be all easier said than done but might be worth a try.

Good Luck, JB.

 

[jenkinsph]

Boy that's bent in a real oddball way for something coming from underneath, I'd say you dodged a bullet any more twisting there and something would of let loose.

This is just a suggestion and others may disagree but that hard line is gonna be the tricky part, if you take it apart and straighten the bracket which will be fairly simple, your gonna have trouble getting that steel line to line up. trying to bend the steel line by it self might kink it.

You might try and take the loader hose off those 2 outboard lines and try and bend the bracket and that outermost steel line at the same time this way everything stays lined up, you don't need to have it come out perfectly straight but as long as you can get to the disconnects to take them on and off easily when needed, you should be good.

If you could slip a very large adjustable wrench over that bracket and force it rearward grab the line with your other hand and try to persuade it to move the way it needs to go.

This may be all easier said than done but might be worth a try.

Good Luck, JB.

Very good answer and I agree with the crescent wrench to straighten out the bracket. I was also thinking you need to be able to bend the steel line back into position and think something like a pex crimping tool may be useful to you. It has the smooth round tubing jaws that would enable you to wrap around the tubing to bend it back to shape. Another tool that may work is one electricians use to bend large service cables about a foot long with a C shaped opening that is hooked around the wire to bend tight corners in them. A third tool idea is using a pipe wrench to accomplish the bending but if you do make sure you wrap it well as the edges of the jaws can cut or kink the tubing.
At any rate the most you are out would be the one piece of tubing if it breaks. I dont think you will be able to bend it much by hand though.

Good luck with your project.



Steve

 

[JohnDeere4300]

If you could slip a very large adjustable wrench over that bracket and force it rearward grab the line with your other hand and try to persuade it to move the way it needs to go.
JB.

I thought about the wrench and slip a long pipe on it and see if it will start to bend back, and yes that is a oddball bend.

If i have to buy new parts, i may have to buy a couple lines too.

After this mess, i may see if i can make a shied to go on the bottom.

Thanks JB.

 

[jenkinsph]

No need for a cheater pipe just a 12 " crescent and the bracket will bend back in place. The bigger issue is bending the tubing at the same time, tweak the bracket a little and then the tubing alternately, moving the bender along the tubing as you go.


Steve

 

[jenkinsph]

"If i have to buy new parts, i may have to buy a couple lines too. "

The only damage is the hard line the couplers and the flexible line are OK

"After this mess, i may see if i can make a shied to go on the bottom."

Good idea, when I bought my 110 tlb i ordered the skid plate and rear stabilizer guards with th unit. Things happen this isn't a big deal to fix.

Thanks JB.[/QUOTE]

FWIW, this damage looks like it was incurred while you were backing up, something bent the plate forward




Steve

 

[Hardscrabbble]

I have a good relationship with my John Deere dealer. I would let him fix it. It may cost but, in my opinion it would be done right. You might ask if they could design a metal guard for your hose couplings as well.

 

[JohnDeere4300]

No need for a cheater pipe just a 12 " crescent and the bracket will bend back in place. The bigger issue is bending the tubing at the same time, tweak the bracket a little and then the tubing alternately, moving the bender along the tubing as you go.


Steve

The only reason i was going to use a cheater pipe was because i have a bad wrist. I guess the cheater pipe could do more damage.

I haven't really checked the line over to see if there is a bend in it, but there probably is, I'll check on those tools if needed.

I figure the line has a lot of pressure keeping it from bending back.

Thanks for the reply.

 

[jenkinsph]

Well I can tell you that steel tubing is pretty stiff if that is what you mean by pressure. With the engine off and working the loader valve lever a time or two there is no hydraulic pressure in the line with the loader on the ground.




Steve

 

[deereguy]

That's a cosmetic ding, as mentioned previously release the loader valve pressure and use a cresent wrench to put it back in place, you should be good to go!

I'd prolly put an 8" cresent wrench on the top of the bracket above the fitting and a 12" cresent under the fitting on the bracket and push towards the rear tire.

 

[AKfish]

You are right about not having that much to lose by trying to fix it... likely a couple of hard lines and the mounting bracket at the worst.

You just might surprise yourself with a good pipe wrench or a big Crescent wrench and some patience.

As jenkinsph noted, you must have clipped something pretty good while backing up.. next time you see some black paint that shouldn't be there...

Best of luck.

AKfish

 

[mjncad]

I just priced out the four oil tubes and a bracket, and the price is $220.49 at the www.JDparts.com web site.

The bracket is $23.50 and the tubes are around $50 each.

Replacing the tubes won't be terribly difficult assuming you have a good supply of crowfoot wrenches at your disposal.

If you decide to bend the tubes back in place, let us know how it goes. I'm just concerned that you may kink them if done incorrectly.

 

[MikeD74T]

If you never take the loader off just leave it as is. Otherwise I'd disconnect the first hardline, bend the bracket back, then bend the hardline carefully to realign. You may need to bend an area previously straight, hardlines don't like to be bent in two directions and REALLY don't like to be bent in three. If you buy a new hardline, just because you can, don't throw the old one away -without a doubt you'll be here again unless your tractor stays on clear ground. MikeD74T

 

[JohnDeere4300]

Well I can tell you that steel tubing is pretty stiff if that is what you mean by pressure. With the engine off and working the loader valve lever a time or two there is no hydraulic pressure in the line with the loader on the ground.
Steve

Yea i was talking about the tubes being stiff, and i will look under the tractor today and check the lines out.(will try to post a picture)

I just priced out the four oil tubes and a bracket, and the price is $220.49 at the www.JDparts.com web site.

The bracket is $23.50 and the tubes are around $50 each.

I guess that isn't bad at $50 a tube, but i don't think the bracket is worth it, could probably make one cheaper.

I just spent over $220. on a complete service and then found this mess

*That is a nice sprayer you have and the first time i seen your link
Did you just get it all done?

If you never take the loader off just leave it as is. MikeD74T

My tractor is a 01 model and i have never took the loader off or unhooked any of those couplers.

I just thought i would post this to let everyone see what a odd bend this is.

 

[thendricks]

That's a cosmetic ding,

I agree. I dont think i would mess with it unless its just buggin you. As others have stated, it looks like a fairly easy fix, just dont kink the tube.

 

[mjncad]

*That is a nice sprayer you have and the first time i seen your link
Did you just get it all done?

Thanks for the comments on the sprayer. It started as a Rube Goldberg type of project where one modification led to another, and so on. I still have a few more mods to do to it.

If I had to do it all over again, I would have built one from scratch.

 

[JohnDeere4300]

I looked the mess over yesterday,

The best way to fix it would be to buy one line and unhook the first coupler, then bend the bracket back.

It would be better to buy a line than try and bend it back out.

 

[kennyd]

I looked the mess over yesterday,

The best way to fix it would be to buy one line and unhook the first coupler, then bend the bracket back.

It would be better to buy a line than try and bend it back out.

Great choice...you will never regret fixing it properly.

 

[spruce Deere]

OUCH! I agree. New line and bend bracket back with adj. wrenches. You can bend hyd. lines back to shape sorta, I have bent back metal lines back to shape sorta, heating, bending, fitting depending on the situation. I would rather replace with new. Much fiddle'n with make'n kinked-up lines fit like originals.

 

[JB4310]

I would at least try and bend it back first, try to bend bracket and line at same time to get it close.

But you can't knock someone who wants to do it right I guess.