Oil filter for 4720ch

[Cougsfan]

I agree that would be a great idea. You're right, I could call my dealer and order filters via mail, but he is only open in daytime hours. I never seem to remember or to find time to do that kind of stuff during the day. On the internet I can shop at night when I have time but the retail stores are closed. I buy my filters plus most of my parts for my motorcycles on the internet for that same reason, and my motorcycle dealers are not nearby either.

 

[Branson Bob]

I agree... I'm very curious to know which specification changed enough to warrant a revised part/part number. Manufacturers just don't do that without a reason.



Having said that, If a little extra capacity is all that's needed, there's the Wix 51347/Napa 1347 Oil Filter if that's what the criteria is:
Wix 51347 & Napa 1347 Oil Filter: FleetFilter Secure Store - Wix, Fram, Baldwin, Luberfiner

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Good stuff.

A couple of interesting points:

1) The Wix 51347 is comparable to the Wix 51626 I found for my tractor. Besides obviously having the same thread size, the 51347 is about an inch taller but also about 3/4" smaller in diameter with a total volume of 32.35 cubic inches. The 51626 has a total volume of 40.17 cubic inches. They are both full flow filters with anti-drain back valves, have the same paper 21 micron media, and the same by-pass valve setting of 8-11 PSI. Where they differ the most is that the 51347 has a burst pressure of 325 PSI while the 51626 has a burst pressure of 370 PSI.

2) It's interesting to see what vehicles these spec for:

51347: Ford Courier (72-82), Hyster, Komatsu, Merc. Bobcat (75-79), Pinto (75-79), Thermo-King, Yanmar Excavators

51626: Dodge Monaco (91), Eagle (88-92), Jeep (87-93)

Both a Ford Pinto and a Yanmar Excavator? Whoda thunk?

Wix 51626 & Napa 1626 Oil Filter: FleetFilter Secure Store - Wix, Fram, Baldwin, Luberfiner

 

[Cougsfan]

Good stuff.

A couple of interesting points:

1) The Wix 51347 is comparable to the Wix 51626 I found for my tractor. Besides obviously having the same thread size, the 51347 is about an inch taller but also about 3/4" smaller in diameter with a total volume of 32.35 cubic inches. The 51626 has a total volume of 40.17 cubic inches. They are both full flow filters with anti-drain back valves, have the same paper 21 micron media, and the same by-pass valve setting of 8-11 PSI. Where they differ the most is that the 51347 has a burst pressure of 325 PSI while the 51626 has a burst pressure of 370 PSI.

2) It's interesting to see what vehicles these spec for:

51347: Ford Courier (72-82), Hyster, Komatsu, Merc. Bobcat (75-79), Pinto (75-79), Thermo-King, Yanmar Excavators

51626: Dodge Monaco (91), Eagle (88-92), Jeep (87-93)

Both a Ford Pinto and a Yanmar Excavator? Whoda thunk?

Wix 51626 & Napa 1626 Oil Filter: FleetFilter Secure Store - Wix, Fram, Baldwin, Luberfiner

Wow, we have a filter engineer among us! If we had those specs for the Branson filter, we could do our own reverse engineering to see if the 51626 would pass Branson specs.

 

[Branson Bob]

Wow, we have a filter engineer among us! If we had those specs for the Branson filter, we could do our own reverse engineering to see if the 51626 would pass Branson specs.

Nah, I just followed LincTex's link and compared the product details.

I am kind of amazed that the same filter would apply to both a Ford Pinto and anything made by Komatsu or Yanmar.

Quite honestly it leads you to believe that filters are not that different from each other... car vs tractor, gas vs diesel.

As I said before, once I change the Wix 51626 I'm gonna cut it and the Branson OEM filters open and compare them.

Photos coming in about another 32 hours of use.

 

[LincTex]

Quite honestly it leads you to believe that filters are not that different from each other... car vs tractor, gas vs diesel.

They all have to filter hot engine oil :-D

My sister had a '83 Chevy Chevette, with a 1.8 liter Isuzu diesel. It had a fram oil filter "come apart"... didn't seem to hurt the engine as far as I could tell. But I never bought another Fram again. I always wondered if the engine vibes shook the filter apart. That engine was HORRIBLY unbalanced.

 

[Branson Bob]

They all have to filter hot engine oil :-D

My sister had a '83 Chevy Chevette, with a 1.8 liter Isuzu diesel. It had a fram oil filter "come apart"... didn't seem to hurt the engine as far as I could tell. But I never bought another Fram again. I always wondered if the engine vibes shook the filter apart. That engine was HORRIBLY unbalanced.

Fram was the manufacturer that used to have the catch phrase in their commercials "You can pay me now or pay me later." Good ad but not so good filter.

My buddy bought a Chevette in about 1980 and used to go to bars and tell girls he drove a Vette.

 

[Phileas Fogg]

Aftermarket Oil Filter for "tier 4" 4720Ch

My tractor is coming up for its first oil change. The dealer told me that you still have to get the oil filter through Branson 'cause there aren't aftermarkets filters available yet for the 4720. Seems odd 'cause the tractor has been out for a while. I wouldn't mind buying the filter through him except for the fact he is 70 miles away. Is there an aftermarket filter available?

Wix now lists a replacement for the EA00001160B Kukje filter: Wix Filters - Product Catalog search results

Part Number: WL7237
UPC Number: 765809287280
Style: Spin-On Lube Filter
Service: Lube
Type: Full Flow
Media: Cellulose
Height: 3.464 (88)*
Outer Diameter Top: 3.8 (97)*
Outer Diameter Bottom: 3.38 (86)*
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 15
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Max Flow Rate: 9-11 GPM

Cross referencing THAT number got me to the brand I wanted:

K&N Part Number: HP-2007
Product StyleOil Filters
Weight 1 lb (0.5 kg)
Product Box Height 4.38 in (111 mm)
Product Box Length 3.81 in (97 mm)
Product Box Width 3.81 in (97 mm)
Anti Drain Back Valve Yes
Bypass Valve Yes
Filter Material High Flow Premium Media
Gasket Material Nitrile Rubber
Height 4.094 in (104 mm)
Outside Diameter 3.656 in (93 mm)
PSI Relief Valve 8-11
Removal Nut Yes
Removal Nut Size 1 inch
Style Canister
Thread Specification M20 x 1.5

It would be great if Branson would begin to support it's owners with parts information.

I still don't know which factory hydraulic filter (or filters) I need for mine!

 

[LincTex]

My tractor came with an STP 2903 oil filter, and I've just been buying anything that crosses to that number.

I don't think the oiling system on these tractors puts out that many GPM.
I've found the factory Hyundai/Kia oil filters are VERY VERY well made, so will probably run them.

 

[LincTex]

Everything I know about oil filters is applied to this: Branson is wrong.

These little tiny oil pumps don't need a huge oil filter.

Hoewever.... if you need a bigger one...

These filters are ALL pretty big, and have M20 x 1.5 threads:

Baldwin B202

Fram PH3985

Baldwin B141

Mobil 1 M1-207

 

[Branson Bob]

As promised (a fairly long time ago) here is a photo of the stock oil filter for my Branson 3520H on the left and a replacement filter (Wix 51626) on the right. I installed the replacement in a pinch until I got the stock replacement filter.

Besides the replacement filter being larger I didn't see any appreciable difference in their construction.

 

[DavesTractor]

Bob that's great that you took the time to do this. Looks like the filter on the left has the media pleats more closely spaced. Not that you need to do this, but if you were to remove the media and stretch it out and measure it, I wonder if the number of square inches of media on each would be similar. I guess I am saying a larger canister may not mean more filtration necessarily.

I suspect a person could use a variety of filters and get the same filtration, so long as the specs were close. Often, as defined a few posts above, there will be differences in the bypass pressure and perhaps allowable full flow rate. I'm not sure how important those things are if it bypasses at 11psi or 15psi, not sure if that matters much. Having said that, as a dealer we just suggest the OEM filter in all cases, but I do acknowledge that the OEMs don't make their own filters and surely there are as good or better filters available aftermarket so long as some knowledgeable person has spec'd it correctly. The fact that Wix apparently has a listing now is encouraging. There is a Wix dealer in every town, not the case with a Branson dealer.

I'm mostly concerned myself with air filtration. If you install an air filter that does not seal well, you may not know it. Whereas an oil filter will make a leaky mess, an air filter will just allow dirt to slowly be ingested. Do that for just a while in a dusty environment and you need an engine. The piston rings take that dust and rub it up and down like sand paper on the cylinder walls.

I do think the HST filter might be a little more complicated than the engine oil filter. I'd be less likely to just use something that fits. I'd want to be real sure of any crossover on that.

 

[Ron50]

Dave I like your Amazon idea. Just bought the air filter set from Amazon. No Dealer where I live, and the dealer's part's counter gave me the wrong size a couple months ago when I was back where I bought the tractor. Ron

 

[Branson Bob]

Bob that's great that you took the time to do this. Looks like the filter on the left has the media pleats more closely spaced. Not that you need to do this, but if you were to remove the media and stretch it out and measure it, I wonder if the number of square inches of media on each would be similar. I guess I am saying a larger canister may not mean more filtration necessarily.

I suspect a person could use a variety of filters and get the same filtration, so long as the specs were close. Often, as defined a few posts above, there will be differences in the bypass pressure and perhaps allowable full flow rate. I'm not sure how important those things are if it bypasses at 11psi or 15psi, not sure if that matters much. Having said that, as a dealer we just suggest the OEM filter in all cases, but I do acknowledge that the OEMs don't make their own filters and surely there are as good or better filters available aftermarket so long as some knowledgeable person has spec'd it correctly. The fact that Wix apparently has a listing now is encouraging. There is a Wix dealer in every town, not the case with a Branson dealer.

I'm mostly concerned myself with air filtration. If you install an air filter that does not seal well, you may not know it. Whereas an oil filter will make a leaky mess, an air filter will just allow dirt to slowly be ingested. Do that for just a while in a dusty environment and you need an engine. The piston rings take that dust and rub it up and down like sand paper on the cylinder walls.

I do think the HST filter might be a little more complicated than the engine oil filter. I'd be less likely to just use something that fits. I'd want to be real sure of any crossover on that.

Hi Dave.

Yes I thought it was important to change the engine oil filter until I could get the stock one in hand so it was only done in a pinch. I agree that it would not be wise to do the same for the hydraulic or air.

Hope you and all the gang are well.

 

[Mr Bitz]

I want to inform you all that if you have existing warranty on your engine and do not use the Branson oil filter and that engine takes a dump you may be on your own for the cost of the new engine. I guarantee that Branson will see the aftermarket filter and red flags Will Go up immediately. I understand some of you that have no Branson dealer close to you but it's not hard to call/email a dealer and get a filter sent to you it might be worth it.

 

[Branson Bob]

I want to inform you all that if you have existing warranty on your engine and do not use the Branson oil filter and that engine takes a dump you may be on your own for the cost of the new engine. I guarantee that Branson will see the aftermarket filter and red flags Will Go up immediately. I understand some of you that have no Branson dealer close to you but it's not hard to call/email a dealer and get a filter sent to you it might be worth it.

Thank you and duly noted, in fact I considered this before the changing the filter.

BTW, it would be pretty petty and bush league for a corporation the size of Branson to invoke something like this as an opportunity to not stand behind their product wouldn't it?

At any rate I totally trust my dealership to advocate in good faith as most of your customers also trust your sterling reputation.

Thanks again Mr Bitz.

 

[Mr Bitz]

I agree but with any manufacturers or insurance companies they seem to look for little cracks to escape on. However I have yet to find Branson looking for ways out. They have been great.

 

[DavesTractor]

Not to argue with Mr. Bitz whom I know and respect, but let me state my opinion.

There are laws regulating how warranty coverage works, and that is a good thing. You can read the Moss- Magnuson Act. It prohibits a company from requiring a customer use their filter, unless such filter is provided at no charge. A brand can however deny coverage if the wrong or inadequate filter is used and in doing so caused the damage. Just common sense. It is simple enough and a good practice to use the factory filters.

For example, if you use a Wix oil filter that is dead bang on in specs and the engine takes a dump, there may be a slight delay as Branson would want to verify that this non OEM filter is fine and did not cause a problem. But lets say you installed a Wix (or any brand) air filter and the radial seal was 1/4" diameter larger than the factory seal on this filter. You would get dirt in the engine and that dusted engine would not be covered. Makes sense that if a non Branson part actually damages an engine, that Branson would not have to pay for that error.

Is it better to use OEM filters? Probably for most people. Is it mandatory or should we be scared to use another good quality filter? No, just make sure it is of proper specs and quality.

 

[Mr Bitz]

Well said Dave. I agree 100%. I see no argument here.

 

[LincTex]

I want to inform you all that if you have existing warranty on your engine and do not use the Branson oil filter and that engine takes a dump you may be on your own for the cost of the new engine.

The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act (P.L. 93-637) (United States federal law 15 U.S.C. § 2301 et seq.) effectively prevents that from happening.

I agree but with any manufacturers or insurance companies they seem to look for little cracks to escape on. However I have yet to find Branson looking for ways out. They have been great.

That is very encouraging - it is VITAL for their reputation!!!!

 

[Kentuckyfarmer]

Here is a maybe little helpful info on a filter some Branson owners use. A Branson EA00001160B vs a NAPA 1347.

Filter media for Branson was 2" X 97" = 194 sq inches
Filter media for Napa was 3.75" X 61" = 228 3/4 sq inches

Now I'm not a filter expert nor do I really know anything about the, other than they filter oil but here is my observation on what I seen and you can judge by the pictures below as much as you can tell by them.

The media seemed pretty much the same maybe just a little thicker in the Napa filter. The spring in both seem to take about the same amount of force to compress. Both canisters along with the ends were very close to the same thickness and quality. As far as the rubber valve I guessing is part of the bypass the Napa one was what seem to me as a better constructed. The only other thing is the Napa had another round thing with a spring and rubber ring as seen in the picture and I have no idea what it is. Maybe some one with better knowledge can shed light on it.