Off Brand

[Farmwithjunk]

Let me just add that in no way do I take any pleasure at all in watching the local JD dealer packing up and leaving town... or watching my most local Massey dealer teetering on bankruptcy and only able to stock a 2310 or two. This gives me no pleasure at all. In an ideal world, I'd like to have more competitive choices and have every brand thrive. But that is not reality. All three new Mahindra dealers in my area this year used to be JD and M-F dealers. I know that meaningful sales comparison figures are hard to get, but you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that demand for the traditional green and red brands is obviously waining.

Dougster

??? Doug, My recomendation that you look for a good 12 step program still holds. Deere going out of business? You ARE joking I assume. Dealers come and go. Corporate Deere is on such a sound financial footing in this country you couldn't shake them with a truckload of dynamite.

Meaniful sales comparisons are hard to get? Since when. If you're referring to sales comparisons that prove your arguement, the reason they're hard to get is because they don't exist.

The one and only Mahindra dealership in this area is now an ice cream shop. Is that of any special significance? Is Butter Pecan about to replace Mahindra? Just using YOUR indicator of market trend.

 

[RollingsFarms]

Let me just add that in no way do I take any pleasure at all in watching the local JD dealer packing up and leaving town... or watching my most local Massey dealer teetering on bankruptcy and only able to stock a 2310 or two. This gives me no pleasure at all. In an ideal world, I'd like to have more competitive choices and have every brand thrive. But that is not reality. All three new Mahindra dealers in my area this year used to be JD and M-F dealers. I know that meaningful sales comparison figures are hard to get, but you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that demand for the traditional green and red brands is obviously waining.
Dougster

In my area(South Carolina farm country) JD, NH, Case, and MF rule...in that paticular order too. I can count on one hand how many Kubota's i know of on farms within a 50 mile radius in every direction of my location. in a quick dealer search(within 30 miles of me) there are 5 JD dealerships, 2 NH dealers, one Case, one MF, and 2 Kubota dealerships. I cant speak on SCUT or CUT sales figures, but as far as traditional Ag sales go, around my part of the US, JD is still king of the farms with NH right behind them.

 

[Farmwithjunk]

FarmwithJunk,

In your defense yesterday I went back to the beginning of this thread and it did appear that the initial poster was taunting deere owners anyway. So I can understand your position. But we all have to remember that this is just a message board on the internet. Things are seen for what they are. We aren't splitting the atom here. Also, I've found that in life that even if you know you are right sometimes it is best to just let it go. Chances are you aren't going to convince the person you are trying to anyway. Or, sometimes what is more the case is that two people are saying the same thing but for some reason just can't see it.

I'm a Mahindra owner, but I also own a 2 cylinder John Deere 440ic crawler from the 50's, so I understand the importance of heritage. I also have a 300IH utility tractor loader. I help my dad keep to Farmall 560s going and his newer 1066. That is why I bought Mahindra in the first place. After I learned that they were trained by IH back in the day, that was all I needed to know. That and one of the larger IH parts companies in my area became the Mahindra dealer.

I also have 2 JEEPS so I love that Mahindra made and still makes the old rugged JEEPS. I can't wait to see their diesel invasion to the USA in 2009.

Guys, why don't we focus our energy on something more productive like figuring out how to add 10 remotes to a tractor or something interesting instead of worrying about where a fuel pump was made? Sound okay? A previous poster hit it on the head anyway. This is a GLOBAL economy. Have you ever heard how many countries are involved in making a Boeing airplane? I am pulling from memory here and I'm probably getting it wrong but I seem to recall hundreds of countries. I'd suspect the same for your automobiles, tractors, houses, and so on.

I couln't agree more. In fact, with a little reading through several other threads, you'll see where I'm saying many of the same things. My comments were such as, "It's not WHERE it's made, but HOW it's made", ect....

The Mahindra owners and dealers such as you and Davestractors are all the evidence I need that ownership in the brand isn't exclusive to nut cases. Several of you guys seem to have your heads screwed on straight. Some don't.

But some of these guys INSIST Mahindra is the answer for everyone in all circumstances. The same few insist Mahindra has Deere, AGCO, and NH on the run and failing fast. Simply NOT TRUE. The market for compact tractors is growing steadily. As the market expands, there's room for new blood. The big names aren't exactly falling by the wayside. The primary example, Deere, is selling more subs and compacts than ever before. Kubota is expanding. So is AGCO and NH. Even the newcomers and relative upstarts in the US are building on sales. But claims that Mahindra is chasing Deere out of the business is absolutely absurd.

And I'm just stubborn enough to stick around and let some of these guys make fools of themselves with such preposterous claims.

 

[Dougster]

??? Doug, My recomendation that you look for a good 12 step program still holds. Deere going out of business? You ARE joking I assume. Dealers come and go. Corporate Deere is on such a sound financial footing in this country you couldn't shake them with a truckload of dynamite.

Junk, I've been insulted by much better folks than you, so I'd appreciate it if you'd please stop the references to alcoholism. I don't believe they belong in this venue. You can find other, more creative and entertaining ways to continue insulting me if you feel the need and put your mind to it.

No one was referring to Deere & Company... the corporate entity. I am referring to sales of utility and compact utility tractors and the dealers selling same. They are obviously hurting and the hurt is growing. Kubota is the main threat. Kioti and Mahindra are growing threats.

As I've said before, I am a fan of the JD full-size backhoes and hope to own one someday. I also like certain of their other construction-grade equipment. All I'm saying is that in this geographical area (New England), sales of JD aggie-style tractors are pretty obviously in the crapper. I take no pleasure from that at all, but it is a fact.

Dougster

 

[Farmwithjunk]

Junk, I've been insulted by much better folks than you, so I'd appreciate it if you'd please stop the references to alcoholism. I don't believe they belong in this venue. You can find other, more creative and entertaining ways to continue insulting me if you feel the need and put your mind to it.

No one was referring to Deere & Company... the corporate entity. I am referring to sales of utility and compact utility tractors and the dealers selling same. They are obviously hurting and the hurt is growing. Kubota is the main threat. Kioti and Mahindra are growing threats.

As I've said before, I am a fan of the JD full-size backhoes and hope to own one someday. I also like certain of their other construction-grade equipment. All I'm saying is that in this geographical area (New England), sales of JD aggie-style tractors are pretty obviously in the crapper. I take no pleasure from that at all, but it is a fact.

Dougster

Show me the word alcoholism in ANY post of mine please. 12 step programs are used in many ways. If that struck a nerve, not my fault. We're supposed to be big boys here. I can take it. You should be able to also.

Deere compact tractor sale "hurting"? Are you out of your mind Doug? Kubota and Deere OWN that market with NH a close 3rd.

In your geographical area, there is virtually no large agricultural tractor sale at all. So what is the special significance of Deere's not selling what no one else is selling?

Your pointless ramblings are getting stale. Your "facts" aren't indeed factual.

 

[rtimgray]

You asked! Here's a few reasons why.

A.) Where have you seen a post of mine referring to ANY brand as "off brand"? Don't I always refer to them as Mahindra? Show me otherwise, and I go away. The person who started this thread, entitled OFF BRAND, claims to be a Mahindra owner and supporter. Sort of a double standard there, isn't it?

B.) I came here AFTER several Mahindra owners/advocates came to another forum spouting off about how their favorite brand is THE CHOICE regardless of circumstances, when someone was looking at another brand that was obviously a better choice for HIS circumstances. I merely gave MY reasons why Mahindra WASN'T the prudent choice in that case, as well as why I haven't considered them in my case. The debate spilled over to here. The Mahindra forum isn't a private club, nor do I need to learn a secret handshake to post here.

C.) A certain Mahindra advocate was posting false and misleading information about another brand. Is it your contention that is permissable? Mahindra owners can slam other brands at will, even with out and out lies? But you're exemt from having your feet held to the fire over such as a divine right of Mahindra ownership?

Hi Junk -

A- My comment was not meant to be pointed at you, but at the thread in general. Evidently, you can read no better than you insinuate I can, because I didn't say you did call anything an "off brand". I don't really think anybody should call anything an "off brand", because all it can do is stir up trouble.

B- I don't have a Mahindra either but they let me in. By the same token, you don't have to have a secret handshake to leave, either.

C- Anyone can post any information that they like on the message board provided that it is permissible by the moderators and administrators of this site. I learned long ago to believe none of what I hear and half of what I see. I feel no personal obligation to attempt to right these injustices. Mahindra owners have the same rights as every other tractor owner or non-owner and can post their views/ opinions accordingly. If people choose to believe items that are anonymously posted on the internet, that is their privilege.

Mark Twain said "Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."

Good luck with your continued endeavors.

 

[Dougster]

Show me the word alcoholism in ANY post of mine please. 12 step programs are used in many ways. If that struck a nerve, not my fault. We're supposed to be big boys here. I can take it. You should be able to also.

It's inappropriate and wholly unnecessary here Junk. I think you know that. Stop being so bitter. Lighten up a bit. You do yourself and TBN a disservice when you resort to personal insults and name calling.

Deere compact tractor sale "hurting"? Are you out of your mind Doug? Kubota and Deere OWN that market with NH a close 3rd. In your geographical area, there is virtually no large agricultural tractor sale at all. So what is the special significance of Deere's not selling what no one else is selling?

Once again, you resort to your standard tactic of twisting my words in the hope of fooling people and winning points. I never spoke about "large agricultural tractor sales" at all. You are correct in suggesting that market is relatively small in New England. My point was entirely about the utility and compact utility tractor market... the market we talk about here on TBN about 99% of the time. Around this geographical area, Kubota rules... JD and M-F are closing their dealerships... and God only knows where Blue is at. I sure don't. Meanwhile, sales of those awful "off-brands", appear by every indication to be rising fast.

Your pointless ramblings are getting stale. Your "facts" aren't indeed factual.

Can't speak for your geographical area Junk. I only know what's going on here... and it is not at all pretty for JD and M-F.

Dougster

 

[RollingsFarms]

It's inappropriate and wholly unnecessary here Junk. I think you know that. Stop being so bitter. Lighten up a bit. You do yourself and TBN a disservice when you resort to personal insults and name calling.

Once again, you resort to your standard tactic of twisting my words in the hope of fooling people and winning points. I never spoke about "large agricultural tractor sales" at all. You are correct in suggesting that market is relatively small in New England. My point was entirely about the utility and compact utility tractor market... the market we talk about here on TBN about 99% of the time. Around this geographical area, Kubota rules... JD and M-F are closing their dealerships... and God only knows where Blue is at. I sure don't. Meanwhile, sales of those awful "off-brands", appear by every indication to be rising fast.
Can't speak for your geographical area Junk. I only know what's going on here... and it is not at all pretty for JD and M-F.

Dougster

i wonder why that is? is it price difference? difference in overall features? its amazing how one part of the country is "controlled" by one brand but in another part that same brand hardly even exists.

 

[Dougster]

i wonder why that is? is it price difference? difference in overall features? its amazing how one part of the country is "controlled" by one brand but in another part that same brand hardly even exists.

Kubotas are just terrific machines. They really are. Costly, but terrific. They were the main force to squeeze JD and M-F out of town. But those old JD and M-F dealers are coming back with the new breed of "off-brand" machines that can effectively compete against Kubota and whatever "old school" brands still happen to be kicking around. Again, I am not so sure what's going on sales-wise these days with NH and Kioti... but Mahindra appears to be coming on very strong in my particular area.

And for the very last time, I take no pleasure whatsoever in seeing old JD dealerships turning into Mahindra dealerships. It's really quite sad to see the old green signs still up... right above a line of brand new red Mahindras. But these longtime dealerships have a right to try to stay in business. If green just isn't selling like it used to, they have to turn elsewhere or go out of business.

I still go to the antique tractor pulls every month... and I still cheer for my favorite green and old red machines... but this is now the 21st century. Things have changed. I too love the classics... but when considering a new tractor for myself, it's extremely important that I get my maximum money's worth. Sadly, today for a lot of people, it just ain't lime green and old red anymore.

Dougster

 

[RollingsFarms]

Kubotas are just terrific machines. They really are. Costly, but terrific. They were the main force to squeeze JD and M-F out of town. But those old JD and M-F dealers are coming back with the new breed of "off-brand" machines that can effectively compete against Kubota and whatever "old school" brands still happen to be kicking around. Again, I am not so sure what's going on sales-wise these days with NH and Kioti... but Mahindra appears to be coming on very strong in my particular area.

And for the very last time, I take no pleasure whatsoever in seeing old JD dealerships turning into Mahindra dealerships. It's really quite sad to see the old green signs still up... right above a line of brand new red Mahindras. But these longtime dealerships have a right to try to stay in business. If green just isn't selling like it used to, they have to turn elsewhere or go out of business.

I still go to the antique tractor pulls every month... and I still cheer for my favorite green and old red machines... but this is now the 21st century. Things have changed. I too love the classics... but when considering a new tractor for myself, it's extremely important that I get my maximum money's worth. Sadly, today for a lot of people, it just ain't lime green and old red anymore.

Dougster

the JD dealerships that are within a 30 mile radius of me are all owned by the same people. i think that the closest Mahindra dealer is about an hour away. I can say that the dealerships that have been around for years are still in business with the same line of tractors, although one Case dealership seems to be hurting some. he had a new line of Kubotas on his lot and only about 2 Case tractors. other then that, everything SEEMS to be pretty steady around my area. I think more Ag utility and Ag tractors are sold rather then CUT or SCUT's in my area but maybe im overlooking that fact. i think a Kioti dealership just moved in about an hour away too. the closest Kubota dealership(which is a personal friend of mine) seems to keep a good many CUT and a few Ag tractors on his lot. i am also a fan of those old iron tractor pulls. you see mostly JD and the old internationals, with a few Masseys and Allis-Chalmers thrown into the mix every now and then.