Newbie debating 35SE vs 40SE

[Boulter]

Hi:

I'm late to this conversation. For me the DK40se was as much power as I needed. In fact I would have bought the DK35se if I could have gotten the KL401 loader with it (though I've learned since then there are some more important differences besides horsepower and loader between the DK35se and the 40/45se).

I'm new here and exploring 35SE vs 40SE. I am interested in hearing your thoughts on these "important differences".

Also what about the loader capacity, sure double the weight, but it is only about 10% on a volume basis. I am mostly interested in transporting rock, so depending on the physical properties of rock (ie density and packing efficiency), the two loaders might effectively be equivalent for this purpose if a loader full of rock is < 1500 lb. Can anyone comment on my analysis?

I am also curious as to how well rock rakes work on the loader. I have about 3 acres of field that I'd like to condition and I am in rock country. Can I expect to run along with the tines 12 inches underground and pry up 100 pound plus rocks to the surface, or is this wildly beyond the scope of the impliment. Maybe this is really a backhoe problem. This is not academic, I have turned up 3 hundred pounders in 100 square feet of this field by hand digging. Maybe this is the application that says "get the 40SE".

I'll probably have other questions as time goes by.

Yours, an ignorant (former) city kid,

Boulter

 

[IslandTractor]

Hi:



I'm new here and exploring 35SE vs 40SE. I am interested in hearing your thoughts on these "important differences".

Also what about the loader capacity, sure double the weight, but it is only about 10% on a volume basis. I am mostly interested in transporting rock, so depending on the physical properties of rock (ie density and packing efficiency), the two loaders might effectively be equivalent for this purpose if a loader full of rock is < 1500 lb. Can anyone comment on my analysis?

I am also curious as to how well rock rakes work on the loader. I have about 3 acres of field that I'd like to condition and I am in rock country. Can I expect to run along with the tines 12 inches underground and pry up 100 pound plus rocks to the surface, or is this wildly beyond the scope of the impliment. Maybe this is really a backhoe problem. This is not academic, I have turned up 3 hundred pounders in 100 square feet of this field by hand digging. Maybe this is the application that says "get the 40SE".

I'll probably have other questions as time goes by.

Yours, an ignorant (former) city kid,

Boulter

From what I know the basic operator station, controls and features are identical on all three of the new DKse line. The DK35se is a bit smaller (shorter, narrower) than the other two however. The 40/45 are virtual twins except for 4 horsepower.

The DK35se is not rated for the KL401 loader even though I think all the attachment points etc are the same as on the DK40se and DK45se. That is at least partially because the DK35se uses smaller axles I believe. The 35 also has smaller tires and less ground clearance than the other two. Engine power is really not that different as the 35 has closer to 38hp while the 40 has 41hp and the 45 believe it or not has 45hp. There are differences in hydraulic flow between the 35 (15.2) and 40/45 (16.8) however.

Bucket size is listed as 66" for the DK35 though I think you could get 72 inches on all three. However, if you are loading rock, you will want the KL401 vs KL351 loader. I don't know exactly what a 72 inch bucket full of gravel or rock weighs but I'd hazard a guess that it will sometimes be more than 1500lbs. I've come pretty close to the limits of my KL401 just lifting a single boulder or Jersey barrier type chunk of concrete.

From my perspective the DK35se is kind of a gap filling machine between the CK and the DK40/45. It may fill a particular niche in the market but the difference in price between a loader equipped DK35se and the DK40se was only about a grand (maybe a bit more) as I recall so if there is any reason to want a stronger loader the 40 makes more sense from the bang for your buck perspective.

And, yes, your expectations for a rock bucket are exaggerated with anything other than a bulldozer. You can use a rock bucket or grapple on a tractor to screen for rocks but probably only a few inches below the ground if you are expecting to simply drive forward at a constant pace. You can use the loader to dig out rocks especially with a grapple but big rocks are more typically dug out with a BH.

 

[Evidence8489]

If you do your home work, a dk 45 se hst can be had for the same price as a dk 40 se hst.
When lifting rocks, a small rock rock can weigh an awful lot very quickly. The same goes for lifting a bucket full of small rocks.
I would go for the extra hp and lifting capacity

 

[JoelD]

I've learned from experience that bigger is most always better. Unless you are space restricted for some reason, tough to come up with a good reason though when it gets down to getting work done.

Uprooting rocks is either a dozer (and not a particularly small one like mine) or backhoe undertaking (excator also would work great).

Rock farming is increadibly stressfull on machine and operator alike for that matter.

Same goes for stumping.

Don't forget, a loader is not a dozer, quick way to tear up most any loader is to try to use it as a dozer.

There is a reason I ended up with my dozer, just way to many rocks and stumps to tackle any other way. Nothing beats a dozer for grading in rocky soil, except maybe a bigger dozer.

PS> Add your locatin to your profile, helps in responses.

Good luck,
Joel

 

[coobie]

I recently bought a Kioti DK40se with the KL401 loader and could not be happier.The loader is very powerful.I looked at the kubota 4240 with fel and Mahindra 4110 with fel and the KL401 loader had alot more lifting capacity.My choice would be the kioti DK 40 or 45.coobie

 

[Boulter]

Greetings:

Thank you for your comments.

So looks like the rock business is dig things up first with the backhoe, and then slip the rock fork under all the loosened material. This is doable. I'd be happy to do 1/10 acre a year with an end goal on the order of at most an acre. Just want a really good sized personal garden, not trying to farm for a living.

I live in Central Ontario.

I am strongly leaning to the DK40SE as yes I am convinced the extra FEL capacity is bound to be very handy for the marginal extra cost. I have a quote of cash $CAN33,000 plus taxes for DK40SE gear tractor with KL401, KB2485, a box blade, rock fork. Hopefully this is only a 10% penalty for being Canadian. It would be a 8 hour round trip to go to the nearest dealership in New York state with a hired trailer, so if my price were within $2000 of US, I'd be happy enough and $3000 won't kill me.

Boulter

 

[JoelD]

Good luck.

with the Kioti warranty I can't imagine how you could go wrong.

You'll find plenty of ways to load up the loader.

Joel

 

[randot]

I just brought the 40 SE home last night. I traded up from the CK 30. When driving the 40 SE around the lot, the smooth running 4 cylinder made a big difference over the 3 cylinder. The price difference is small compared to the amount of gains.

 

[IslandTractor]

If you do your home work, a dk 45 se hst can be had for the same price as a dk 40 se hst.

Not sure that is a realistic expectation. Certainly you might find one dealer who sells a 45 for the same price as another is asking for the 40 but it is hard to imagine a dealer that carries both who would sell them for the same price. As I recall there was something like a $1500-2000 difference between the two when I was shopping. There was a smaller difference between the DK35se and the DK40se which combined with the more powerful KL401 loader (which cost almost the same as the KL351) is what drove me to buy the 40se.

 

[gboudreau]

Bought my DK40se back in Ocotober of last year and love it. Like the old saying bigger is always better, definetely is true when it come to a tractor. always buy the biggest thing you can reasonable afford. It is always easier to grow into a larger tractor, than it is to scale down what you are doing to the tractors capabilities. for the small difference I would go with the DK40se over the 35. When I was looking it just made sense for the small amount extra.

 

[Boulter]

Thanks guys:

Any comments on the pricing I have been quoted? When I was looking around a year ago at Kubota, it seemed that the US numbers were 15% better than Canada. Has the gap narrowed, cuz if it is still that big, I just might have to call the guy with the truck and flatbed and make a road trip to NY.

Boulter

 

[IslandTractor]

I don't know how many price increases and fuel surcharges have been added to DK40se pricing since last summer. For what it's worth, I got a DK40se, KL401 with added cutting bar, Woods BH90x with mechanical thumb, extra rear remote, canopy with rear work lights, a Woods 72" box blade and installation of a WRLong diverter valve I provided for roughly 3K less than the total you are quoted. Again, I know prices have gone up on a lot of that stuff due to steel and fuel costs. If I were in your shoes I'd make a few international phone calls and carefully calculate what it was going to cost me to take a round trip flatbed truck trip before deciding.

 

[Boulter]

Hi:

On Thursday I inked the deal to get my DK40SE with:
KL401
KB2485
box blade
pallet fork
stone fork
1st maintenence filters and fluids.

Delivery in about 2 or 3 weeks.

I have been reading this site for about 6 months before coming to a buy decision. This is a great resource.

Regards

Boulter

 

[DK35vince]

Congratulations on the new 40se.
Keep us informed how it is working when you get it.

 

[JoelD]

Great news, good luck with the new machine, hope you remain active on board.

 

[DK35vince]

A friend of mine just recently bought a DK 35se HST.
I went over and tryed it out for a while tonight. Nice tractor.
Never spend much time on a HST tractor before, really wanted to try the HST out doing some mowing and loader work to see how I liked it.
Still undecided if I prefer the HST over the shuttle for the $$ differance.

 

[warhammer]

I got quotes from a handful of dealers here in Central Texas. Two of them actually charged more for the 40 than the 45. The price difference was about $125. Not sure what the rational there is as I have read the two tractors are the same except for the rated HP.
Maybe the 45 is what they had in stock and the 40 would have had to have been ordered.

WarHammer

Not sure that is a realistic expectation. Certainly you might find one dealer who sells a 45 for the same price as another is asking for the 40 but it is hard to imagine a dealer that carries both who would sell them for the same price. As I recall there was something like a $1500-2000 difference between the two when I was shopping. There was a smaller difference between the DK35se and the DK40se which combined with the more powerful KL401 loader (which cost almost the same as the KL351) is what drove me to buy the 40se.

 

[Boulter]

Hi:

The tractor arrived yesterday. I spent about 2 hours with the young lad who delivered and demonstrated it to me. Unfortunately I am a little under the weather so don't know if I will get out to play with it today. I think I will for a little while anyhow.

With all the bits and pieces to store, I am thinking of making an open pole type "building". Something about 5 feet deep by 24 feet long. Top level at about 4 feet high would store FEL attachments, ground level would store 3PH attachments. Just put on a roof with a generous overhang, and maybe tarp sides. I was thinking long term of putting up a steel building, but the taxes on it would probably exceed the weather damage of the attachments in my proposed hack of a building. I should get a building for the tractor proper, but it could be small, less than 200 square feet. I was told by the property accessor type person that buildings under this size don't count for taxes.

Off to dig a hole ...

Boulter

 

[Dmace]

Congrats on the purchase and Welcome to the Pack!

 

[randot]

I had my DK40 just a day or two and I was asked to post pictures. I am just passing on the same request, how about some pictures? Oh, and congrats on the purchase!