New Tractor Sales Are Declining

[jyoutz]

Well that high degree of automation just washes away the immorality of paying people low wages or nothing at all now don’t it?

I made a simple statement, no need for a moral crusade.

 

[jyoutz]

I knew someone who took a job in China during the 2008 downturn in the US. She said the cities were dirty, living condition were poor and you had to watch what you said. Another person I knew was there in January 2020 when they had the big shut down. All could say was they were shutting down the hotels and she had to go to another place. She never came out and said it was due to covid.

About that time, a lot of YT videos got posted claiming to be from inside China about the various efforts to control the spread. They were up for a couple of weeks and then got taken down.

China leads the world in executing offenders and imposes the death penalty for much less offenses than in other countries.

By every measure, the quality of life in China is substandard.

 

[Deleted member 371759]

By every measure, the quality of life in China is substandard.

By every measure of a free man. Authoritarians and Marxists think that China is a gold standard.

 

[rScotty]

By every measure, the quality of life in China is substandard.

I wonder how the Chinese measure their standard of living now versus 40/50 years ago?

 

[2manyrocks]

Nixon went to China in 1972 paving the way for Forrest Gump to play them in ping pong.

 

[Hay Dude]

I wonder how the Chinese measure their standard of living now versus 40/50 years ago?

Probably as going in the opposite direction of ours?

Also, may want to consult the Uighurs

 

[Goose1776]

I wonder how the Chinese measure their standard of living now versus 40/50 years ago?

They measure it however the government tells them too.
Or they disappear

 

[tacticalturnip]

I wonder how the Chinese measure their standard of living now versus 40/50 years ago?

I mean, being pissed on by an obese hooker is head and shoulders above life during the cultural revolution, so that's a pretty low bar.

 

[Jack Yuan]

Jack, glad to see you’re back and adding some different viewpoints.

Let's enjoy the benefit from Internet, we can see something from the other side of the world so easily when sitting on front of table.

Fake news is so common in ALL the countries, but if we can hear and see enough information and action, we can have our own judgment.

Back to the topic of this thread about inflation, if you check my post on TBN 2 or 3 years, I said there will be inflation storm coming. I always think the ONLY two solutions to inflation includes:
1. Collect the money on the market back to central bank(it's FED in the US) by rise interest etc.
2. Rise the goods supply to the market.

 

[Jack Yuan]

It's quite ironic how secretive they are about filming their manufactured goods when they most likely stole the technology from us

Technology will spread while people are moving. As long as we all live on the earth, the technology will be spreaded all over the world sooner or later, time can break all the board no matter how strong it looks like. History prooves this again and again.

Here is an example from textile industry which is the most ancient industry about human being.
The textile industry is moving in last one thousand year, the top technology of this industry is moving between China, UK, USA, Japan, China. Each of these countries played big part on each period. When I looked those old machinery in the museum, I really admired how smart those inventor.

One thousand years ago in China, it was Song dynasty, they wanted to build a technology wall to the Mongol Empire in the north and kept their advantage, then many years later, the Mongol army kicked the last Song's king to the sea.

Histroy has proved and always proves that people fall behind always wants to chase the one ahead. If the people ahead wants to stay, he will fall behind soon.

 

[Jack Yuan]

It’s amazing how cheap the Chinese labor must be.
I bought some 145lb wheel weights a few years back and they were made in China.

So the wheel weights are so much cheaper that even despite their weight, they can be shipped 6000 miles around the world and still be cheaper made in China than made in the USA.

Makes you wonder how much they pay their labor there??? Do they even pay them?

The Chinese labor cost is rising fast in fact. For example a regular welding worker monthly salary is 1000usd per month 5 years ago, now it's almost double and 2000usd per month. I know it's still much cheaper than US welding worker, I just want you know the labor cost here is rising really fast.

The manufacturing is using more technology to rise the efficiency. For example the rim of car wheel, I m 100% sure many of its manufacturing works are done by robot in the factory now. Those giant factories all want to be a light-out factory. They are amazing.

 

[Jack Yuan]

I wonder how the Chinese measure their standard of living now versus 40/50 years ago?

40/50 years ago, the Chinese people's good living standard includes:
1. Keep away from starvation, I remember when I was a little boy, we were so happy during the new year vacation because there were many meat food than usual.
2. Have a small home, no need too big just warm.
3. A car? No, that's too far away from us regular people at that time, the biggest wedding gift from my dad to my mom was a bike, that cost him several months salary.
4. TV and telephone? There wasn't for us at that time, they came to us in 1990's, and really expensive too.

Just some reference to TBNer here.

At last, I think we are talking too off from the topic of this thread, please pull it back to the way.

 

[rScotty]

Probably as going in the opposite direction of ours?

Also, may want to consult the Uighurs

It kind of sounds like the Chinese are busily doing to the Uighurs what the USA did & are doing to their Native Americans.

It makes me wonder if there is a Chinese Tractor Forum where the members are outraged by the treatment the US gives their native people....

rScotty

 

[Hay Dude]

It kind of sounds like the Chinese are busily doing to the Uighurs what the USA did & are doing to their Native Americans.

It makes me wonder if there is a Chinese Tractor Forum where the members are outraged by the treatment the US gives their native people....

And if so, they are probably saying something like, "Let them build their own microwaves - if they even know how to anymore."
rScotty

Hogwash. Native Americans are hardly enslaved in sweatshops building your throw away junk. Do you see native Americans in prison camps like this rscotty?

 

[rScotty]

40/50 years ago, the Chinese people's good living standard includes:
1. Keep away from starvation, I remember when I was a little boy, we were so happy during the new year vacation because there were many meat food than usual.
2. Have a small home, no need too big just warm.
3. A car? No, that's too far away from us regular people at that time, the biggest wedding gift from my dad to my mom was a bike, that cost him several months salary.
4. TV and telephone? There wasn't for us at that time, they came to us in 1990's, and really expensive too.

Just some reference to TBNer here.

At last, I think we are talking too off from the topic of this thread, please pull it back to the way.

I remember when our family got our first real transportation. My brother had not yet been born, so the year had to be 1952. One cold winter - so cold I still remember it - we bought Dad a bicycle so he didn't have to walk to work. It was black with chrome levers. Very exciting & to this day I can remember watching out the window as he wobbled down the icy road and off to work.

He looked so funny peddling off each day that I still laugh at the mental picture.
A really huge - 6'4, 250 lb - guy on that tiny black 3 speed bicycle He said it was the biggest one made. But then he said that about everything he had.
rScotty

 

[rScotty]

Hogwash. Native Americans are hardly enslaved in sweatshops building your throw away junk. Do you see native Americans in prison camps like this rscotty?

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Different people; different kinds of sweatshops; different problems. Same thing, though.
We might want to walk a mile in all their shoes before deciding what to believe.

 

[Hay Dude]

Different people; different kinds of sweatshops; different problems. Same thing, though.
We might want to walk a mile in all their shoes before deciding what to believe.

It’s NOT the same rscotty. It’s not even close.

You think it’s comparable to be a Native American in the US with being imprisoned in a slave labor camp in china?

That’s a real insult to the millions of suffering Uighurs imprisoned in barbed wire and forced to work for nothing.

 

[rScotty]

It’s NOT the same rscotty. It’s not even close.

You think it’s comparable to be a Native American in the US with being imprisoned in a slave labor camp in china?

That’s a real insult to the millions of suffering Uighurs imprisoned in barbed wire and forced to work for nothing.

I know nothing definite about the Uighur situation and am surprised that you do. I have no idea what kinds of things that they would consider an insult. The indigenous people I know don't feel at all the same way about comparisons and insults that outsiders do.

What I said was that what we hear of China's treatment of the Uighur sounds eerily similar to the history of the indigenous people's treatment here.

That, and wondering if the Chinese version of TBN also "flips the perspective" on the way that Chinese tractor owners view the world outside their own country.

For anyone concerned about indigenous people, there is probably enough oppportunity for everyone right here at home.

rScotty

 

[tacticalturnip]

Literal ******* concentration camps, but hey, it's all equal.

 

[Hay Dude]

I know nothing definite about the Uighur situation and am surprised that you do. I have no idea what kinds of things that they would consider an insult. The indigenous people I know don't feel at all the same way about comparisons and insults that outsiders do.

What I said was that what we hear of China's treatment of the Uighur sounds eerily similar to the history of the indigenous people's treatment here.

That, and wondering if the Chinese version of TBN also "flips the perspective" on the way that Chinese tractor owners view the world outside their own country.

For anyone concerned about indigenous people, there is probably enough oppportunity for everyone right here at home.

rScotty

Well, I do and so do many other Americans. You should read up on it and become enlightened. These people are in work camps being forced to make things for punishment of their religious beliefs. Comparing Native Americans to imprisoned work camp slaves is quite a uniformed comparison.