New rules for ethanol in gasoline

[MossRoad]

NOT!

That's been a subject of discussion in northern Nevada for a couple months. All of our gasoline comes from one refinery in northern California. Gasoline suppliers have stated they will offer one or the other; if E15 is what the government recommends then all the pumps will go to E15. They will not have pumps at a station that offer regular in either E10 or E15.

Ethanol doesn't come from a refinery.

 

[jyoutz]

Ethanol doesn't come from a refinery.

No, but it’s blended with gas at refineries.

 

[oosik]

Well - I guess I won't be driving the Taco Wagon back to Nebraska to visit relatives. Highlighted section under fuel in Owners Manual - "Use no fuel with greater than 10% alcohol". I wonder what folks with other than E-85 vehicles, that live in those states, are expected to do.

You know - it time for "us" to put a halt to all this government mandated crap. There must be a very good reason ( political ) that this has not been mandated in California.

 

[Rockbadchild]

No one is forcing anyone to use E15. E10 will still be available in those places.

The whole thing is a dog whistle.

You should know how things work by now... Nothing switch from A to Z in a day, that would provoke outrage and revolt. It's always gradually sneak in one step at a time, it begins as a choice then that choice get harder and harder to get, then it ether get force or sneak in the back door when nobody is looking... first thing you notice its been replace and enforce.

 

[ruffdog]

Well - I guess I won't be driving the Taco Wagon back to Nebraska to visit relatives. Highlighted section under fuel in Owners Manual - "Use no fuel with greater than 10% alcohol". I wonder what folks with other than E-85 vehicles, that live in those states, are expected to do.

Where in the articles does it ever say that E10 will not be offered?

 

[oosik]

Moss - then the question is....... Why is anybody wasting their time in the producing of E-85 fuel. So very many of vehicles on the road today can not use this fuel.

I firmly believe that Rockbadchild has hit the nail - squarely on the head.

You are correct ruff dog. I also noticed - it is strangely silent about anything regarding E10 fuel. AND for a good reason - perhaps.

 

[ruffdog]

Moss - then the question is....... Why is anybody wasting their time in the producing of E-85 fuel. So very many of vehicles on the road today can not use this fuel.

I firmly believe that Rockbadchild has hit the nail - squarely on the head.

You are correct ruff dog. I also noticed - it is strangely silent about anything regarding E10 fuel. AND for a good reason - perhaps.

Because nothing in the rule change is changing anything but the availability of E15 in winter. With this rule change, people are getting more choices, not less.

 

[Rockbadchild]

Because nothing in the rule change is changing anything but the availability of E15 in winter. With this rule change, people are getting more choices, not less.

Is more bad choice is it really more ?

 

[ruffdog]

We have E0 in 87 and 91 octane, E10 87-93 octane, , E15, and E85. I normally don't buy E15 so this rule change doesn't affect me. But, if I did, I would be able to buy it year round with the rule change.

 

[5030]

So very many of vehicles on the road today can not use this fuel.

Both of our's can though we have never used it. Not many filling stations here have it anyway (locally).

 

[gstrom99]

I've been buying E88 for my (newer) Jeeps for a few years. It's labeled for 2001 and newer (IIRC) and has been available at many stations in Indiana, Illinois and Iowa. The Jeep (2019) likes it. My local Casey's here in Iowa, has E88 and also sells straight gas (premium and no alcohol) for us to use, if needed. At least for now...

 

[RustyA]

Sure it's not 88 octane E15 that you've been buying?

 

[ruffdog]

The Casey's E88 fuel is confusing for some people because it is actually E15...15% ethanol.

Unleaded 88​

Casey's is proud to offer Unleaded 88, a blend of 15% ethanol and 85% gasoline, at select stores across our 16 states. Also known as E-15, Unleaded 88 is an environmentally friendly fuel approved by the EPA for use in vehicles 2001 and newer.

 

[gstrom99]

Sure it's not 88 octane E15 that you've been buying?

It IS 15% ethanol. They label it on the pumps as "E88".

 

[not2old]

WOW! You blokes are screwed.

Fortunately our Aussie ethanol is cane sugar based, but even then we still have the option of paying 1 cent more per litre for 'straight' petrol... which I do pay for my ute, Z-turn and 2-stroke (prior to mixing).

Regarding the Ute, the 'mileage' is significantly better than the (up to 10%) ethanol blend and worth the cost.

Wish that was the case here. Cheapest difference here is at least 10 cents per litre and sometimes as much as 25 cents.

 

[MossRoad]

No, but it’s blended with gas at refineries.

It's blended with gas at the truck terminal. That might be at or near the refinery. Around here, they are not. The nearest refinery is 80 miles away. There are truck terminals a tank farms in about every major town. This may not be your situation.

 

[MossRoad]

Well - I guess I won't be driving the Taco Wagon back to Nebraska to visit relatives. Highlighted section under fuel in Owners Manual - "Use no fuel with greater than 10% alcohol". I wonder what folks with other than E-85 vehicles, that live in those states, are expected to do.

You know - it time for "us" to put a halt to all this government mandated crap. There must be a very good reason ( political ) that this has not been mandated in California.

Oosik,
They sell E10 in Nebraska. They aren't going to stop selling E10 in Nebraska. E10 makes up 90% of all gasoline sold in Nebraska. It isn't going anywhere.

Also, what year, make and model is your truck? What does the owner's manual say to use for fuel in that truck? Use that fuel it recommends.

https://ethanol.nebraska.gov/buy-ethanol/

 

[not2old]

How many stations are going to install another storage tank? We already have five different types of fuel here at some of the stations. I was pleasantly surprised a couple of years back when I heard that Petrocan would have 94 octane. The closest Chevron with 94 is 25 miles away. I asked the local station about it because I use it in all my 2-stroke stuff. I was told that they had just recently remodeled all their storage equipment and wouldn't be carrying it for the foreseeable future.

 

[California]

There must be a very good reason ( political ) that this has not been mandated in California.

We don't grow corn.

 

[Oaktree]

Because in all too many locations E0 is impossible to find! None available in my area until about 3 years ago. Now we have one station that has one pump with E0. It is the ONLY station carrying E0 within 130 that I know about. So if the stations decide to go to E15, what do we fuel our equipment with?

The Predator engine I bought maybe 8 years ago for my log splitter says it can use up to E15, as does a weed wacker I got a couple years ago. Older small engines, I'm not sure.
E0 is available here, but only 91 octane, and it's about $1/gal more expensive than regular. Fine for making up 2 stroke mix, but a bit pricey for everyday use, especially when most modern engines handle E10 just fine.
Some states are more restrictive about E0 than others. As was noted upthread, its primary use is an oxygenator. Maybe sale depends on EPA zones?