need large culvert in central ohio

dummy · Feb 16, 2005

<font color="blue">If you get one, there will probably be enough exclusions, that it will be meaningless. I'd expect to pay by the hour, but be prepared to watch those hours.
</font> A completely true statement regardless of the type of project. You have to be prepared for the (sub)contractor not coming back also.

mb25acres · Feb 19, 2005

I posted pics there is links on the bottom of paige three of this post. not sure if anyone saw the links. was looking for comments on what you thought.
Mike

txdon · Feb 19, 2005

mb25acres, As a last resort, if you are interested in a road trip, I can check with my Uncle to see if he has a 10' but you would have to drive to Lee County Texas to pick it up. How long do you need it. I got an 8' X 8' one for $75.00 from him and used it for the ATV Bridge. What about two 6' X 6' and then cut out a lower flood path (about a foot lower than the top of the culvert) that goes about 20' away and around the culvert so it won't wash out?

mb25acres · Feb 20, 2005

I want it to be atleast 20ft long. I am interested in seeing pics of what you meant. It sounds like a good idea. do you or anyone else have photos of the diversion thing to stop washout. I talked to someone locally that thinks he can locate
a 10ft tank 30-40 ft long for around 5000.00. what does anyone know about doing this and will I be able to get a permit for using a tank like this as a culvert??????

Mike

txdon · Feb 20, 2005

mb25, The county land guys that designed my pond told me about the diversionary flood path I'll take some photos (in about two weeks) and post them. I have have had two deluges of rain since then and no washout on my 4' culvert. Did you see the culvert/bridge sides Harvey and North Texas TBNers built on top of that 8 ft culvert. It is so beautiful and functional!!!

mb25acres · Feb 20, 2005

I did see that and followed it as it was built it is a masterpiece for sure, not sure if I can do anything that extensive on the ends of mine.I do think I will conect cable to it. two on each side attached to deadman anchors to hep hold it in place.
Mike

Darren · Feb 20, 2005

You may be able to determine the 100 year flood elevation yourself. Someone at your county courthouse should have the FEMA flood insurance rate maps (FIRMS). The older paper maps have the flood plain shown as a blacked out area. If a FIRM exists for your area, the elevation of the 100 year flood will be shown on the map.

If the elevation is within the confines of the creek you may have an easier permitting situation. If it's out in the floodplain somewhere you could be responsible for damages to upstream neighbors if your structure causes flooding of their property.

We have a local situation where a property owner got a permit from the Public Lands Corporation (West Virginia) to build a bridge to timber his property. The bridge as built did not match the plans. Years later an elementary school that had never flooded in recorded history did so twice in one year. Now the Army Corps of Engineers is conducting a study to determine why the school flooded. I'm sure the landowner never contemplated that happening. If his bridge is the cause, I wouldn't want to be in his shoes with a federal document proving his bridge caused the damage.

From your description the culvert downstream is what called an arch plate culvert. Whatever you install should pass at least as much water as that culvert. If you don't have any close upstream neighbors a lot of problems go away.

mb25acres · Feb 20, 2005

I can check more with the courthouse on wed. the culvert dowm stream is a complete circle. I would like to find out where the 100 year flood plane is.
Mike

Cdash · Feb 23, 2005

$1200 for an engineer unreasonable? I love those thoughts!! I am an engineer. I went to school to specialize in a career. Then people like you don't want to have to pay for my specialty. Running prices down is good for you, until some trys to cut corners and forgets one little thing, or hits the wrong button on a calculator and BAM, failure. After your roof falls on your head (or your childs), will that low cost engineering be worth it? I bet you won't be bragging about the $1000 bucks you saved then. It will be all engineers that caused your problem, not the cheap fly by night engineer that you hired.

Would you low bid an attorney going up against the engineer that goofed? Do you low bid your doctors? Engineers have to be licensed, and structural engineers are sued more than any other engineering specialty in the world. We are expensive, because we design things with life safety in mind and everyone sues us everytime there is a crack in thier drywall. We'll ignore that it was the architect the specified the drywall and it's connecting elements.

People see engineers like they see products at best buy.

mb25acres · Feb 23, 2005

Cdash. maybe you did not read all that I get for my $1200.00. The level of the 10 ten year flood only. I have not been able to get to the courthouse as of yet, but if the 100yr
flood level is available as some have suggested and is public info. I do believe that paying you or any other Engineer $1200.00 to drive 3/4 of a mile and look it up for me plain ridiculious. I do not believe that if you were actually engineering (designing) something for me than I would understand a little more. I only was asking if I were to use I beams to go 20ft across and 16 ft wide what size would I need
and what spacing. I was assuming all responsibility for the abutments, and I also specified the decking material. they said they would send me a quote for these services, and did not they stated it would be 1200.00 for the flood plain only any sizing of beams or any other calculations would not be included.
Mike