My NX6010

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I hope they take care of it. You are doing one heck of a job!

In other news, I did add more ferrites with a loop in each downstream from the China LED flood lights in an attempt to cut down on the EMF radio interference. I also carefully looked at my JVC radio and the stock radio. There is a bunch of extra wire to pull into the cab if a zip tie is cut. Swapping and soldering wires is straight forward, but the actual mounting of the radio (and I'm not a radio guy) looks different. I need to find a face cover that snaps onto the JVC radio and allows screws so I can secure the new radio to the stock mounts.

That or screw around fabbing up yet another custom bracket.

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   / My NX6010 #242  
By not opening until the engine is nearly all the way warmed up, thereby building pressure sooner and faster warm-ups. Once open, there is no difference in performance. The stock T-stat starts opening at 160 degrees F and is fully open at 185 degrees F. In other words, unless the engine is under load, in the cold the engine cannot warm up. This is an issue for an HST machine that revs only so much as how fast the operator wishes to travel, in other words, it drives like an automatic car.

In my case, I'd like to try out a 180 degree T-stat.

I don't think changing the t-stat is going to make it warm up quicker. You either need a block heater, give it a fast idle or cover part of the radiator with something like cardboard.
 
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I don't think changing the t-stat is going to make it warm up quicker. You either need a block heater, give it a fast idle or cover part of the radiator with something like cardboard.

For sake of discussion let us consider two extremes: the first extreme is 100 degree thermostat. With a 100 degree thermostat, long before the engine warms up or builds pressure, the thermostat opens. But as soon as the 100 degree thermostat opens, cooler fluid overwhelms the trend of rising temperatures within the mass of water held circling inside the water jacket and as a result the engine never warms up because the cooling capacity is greater than the warming capacity.

Now let us consider a 220 degree thermostat: in this case, the engine builds pressure and becomes hot long before opening up to the cooling system and the hot slug of coolant overwhelms the systems ability to keep the engine cool and the engine overheats.

The issue is that a warmer thermostat allows the mass of coolant circulating within an engine's water jacket the ability to pressurize and warm before opening, thereby shortening the overall time to warm up the entire system because of the higher the temperature and correlated greater influence, the mass of water held within the water jacket has upon the rest of the cooling system.
 
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My dealer is now waiting to hear back from Kioti and likely the shipper about the cab top which meant that I finally knocked out all but the front axle 50 hour service. I called my dealer for clarity on what drains i should pull since my owner's manual didn't explain well, and there is nothing in the service manual about fluid changes that I could find. Three drain plugs for the HST: one big, 30mm plug on the left side of the mid PTO housing and a 15/16" drain plug on the inboard bottom of each bull gear housing. I had to rotate the hydo filter two or three times with a chain wrench before it spun freely by hand. The HST and engine oil filters were easy.

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My new 15 gallon with hand pump oil pan worked well for this but next time, i think I'll drive the tractor up a couple of stacked 2x6 to gain some additional clearance.

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With thanks to the folks at my local dealer, Elite Lift Truck, I was supplied with an expanded list of compatible oils to help find local sources.

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The full list is attached as a PDF.
 

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Today is the day to bolt on my underbelly up-armor. The paint on the one sheet that did fit in my oven is way, way stronger than the paint on the two that I could not fit into my oven.

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The guards are unsupported in the middle where they join. If that becomes a problem, I can improve these guards by building stand-offs in the middle as well as by riviting on angle iron on the backside to stiffen each guard. Since that is a lot of work, I'll find out if what I have is sufficient, or if I need to improve my design.

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Considering my lack of proper metal-working tools, I think these guards turned out pretty good—especially locating all the holes and indexing the nutplates so they cannot fall off.

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   / My NX6010 #246  
Back in the days of the earliest Model T Fords, from 1908 thru 1914, Henry put drip pans on both sides of the engine, between the engine and the frame. This effectively closed off all the air flow thru the radiator and under the hood, as the hood had no louvers in the sides either. So, the hood could not let the cooling air out and the pans blocked the ability of the air to exit downward. It was like blowing air thru a radiator into a closed box. That made for hot running engines and boiling over radiators.

In 1915 Henry learned his lesson and put louvers in the hood and removed the drip pans so there was all kinds of air flowing in thru the radiator and out again...out the sides and the bottom.

I say all this because I wonder if you'll have a similar problem. I can't understand by your description how far forward the new 'armor' goes. Are you restricting airflow from around the engine?
 
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Looks nice - one question - does the overlap 'face forward'? Anyway to switch the order you installed the plates so a stick running along the bottom doesn't hit that edge then pry it apart? Could happen going either direction but it would seem with the brush mower in the back the taller stuff would be cut down before it gets to there vs pushing into it with your grapple.
 
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I can't understand by your description how far forward the new 'armor' goes. Are you restricting airflow from around the engine?

Nope.

The guard begins at the rear of the engine block and extends to the cover the mid-PTO extension. The hood allows a shedload of air through perforated panels and is open on the sides to the rear. I could make the bottom as flat as my SL55 and I wouldn't have trouble with cooling.
 
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Looks nice - one question - does the overlap 'face forward'? Anyway to switch the order you installed the plates so a stick running along the bottom doesn't hit that edge then pry it apart? Could happen going either direction but it would seem with the brush mower in the back the taller stuff would be cut down before it gets to there vs pushing into it with your grapple.

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Due to the size of the material I'm processing, I mow in reverse only. I would have liked to make this stuff out of 1/8" plate, but I'm limited to what I can bend in my garage. The new grill inserts I'm thinking about fabbing will require an air brake using V-block dies to make the eight, weird bends and neither the northern tinkerage or the southern tinkerage has a collection of the right dies, and so I think I may be forced to chase over to my sister's shop and beg.

That said, NX owners, be aware that our owners manual is wrong on maintenance procedures for the front axle service. It shows the right photos but the text must be from some other tractor. We have one drain plug in the center. My front axle drained maybe 2 quarts, maybe. I filled it back up with about 6 quarts of 80W-90--which is to say, you may want to check your front axle fluid level.
 
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[snip] NX owners, be aware that our owners manual is wrong on maintenance procedures for the front axle service. It shows the right photos but the text must be from some other tractor. We have one drain plug in the center. My front axle drained maybe 2 quarts, maybe. I filled it back up with about 6 quarts of 80W-90--which is to say, you may want to check your front axle fluid level.

Wow. :shocked: What do you suspect happened to cause the four-quart shortfall? That's pretty serious. You surely would have noticed that much of a leak in 50 hrs., so probably inattention en route to you. I don't know if the tractors ship from Korea with the axle filled. Maybe it's done in Wendell, NC. It might even be a prep item at the dealer at the time the wheels are mounted.
 
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Wow. :shocked: What do you suspect happened to cause the four-quart shortfall? That's pretty serious. You surely would have noticed that much of a leak in 50 hrs., so probably inattention en route to you. I don't know if the tractors ship from Korea with the axle filled. Maybe it's done in Wendell, NC. It might even be a prep item at the dealer at the time the wheels are mounted.

With no leaks and a change on the horizon at 50 hours looming nigh, I never bothered checking the front axle dipstick. Which is to say, the axle was never filled to its stated capacity. I imagine that fully greasing everything and checking and topping off all fluids is a dealer prep thing. That said, I didn't see anything in the fluid that would give me cause to suspect damage. I filled the front axle with GL5 API rated 80W-90 gear oil.

That said, don't forget to crawl under your tractor and hit the front axle zerks.

Today's excitement is bypassing part of the emissions system on my F150 in favor of a giant catch-can so the intake valves don't carbon up because of this stupid problem:

 
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Yeesh. One of my coworkers got a new F-150 with Ecoboost about a month ago, and while it was just a few days old, the engine crapped out while driving in a rainstorm on the highway. Some issue with condensation or something. Hard to believe. Dealer did something to reset the computer and made another tweak under warranty, and it hasn't happened since, but still a bit disappointing.
 
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Yeesh. One of my coworkers got a new F-150 with Ecoboost about a month ago, and while it was just a few days old, the engine crapped out while driving in a rainstorm on the highway. Some issue with condensation or something. Hard to believe. Dealer did something to reset the computer and made another tweak under warranty, and it hasn't happened since, but still a bit disappointing.

The water condensation is a different issue. We have the same problem is silly, over-boosted hotrods and so we drill hole in the lowest point of the intercooler which pushes condensed water out underboost, but that doesn't stop water from condensing out in a pressure drop. Ford has been working around this issue by slowly making their intercoolers less efficient and by decreasing the spark plug gap so as to be less likely to misfire, but occasionally, a EB engine will hydraulically lock a cylinder and throw a rod through the block. Ford isn't acknowledging the issue but quietly redesigned a 2.7L V6 EB that incorporates all the best ideas and design changes.

Anyway, I had fitting issues with mounting the giant catch-can, and so I get to do more of the same Sunday.

I did add a slightly better way of holding the hard lines down on my tractor.

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I've had 3-4 turbo cars with an intercooler and never heard of this before, so is it a case where Ford is new to turbo/IC engines on a large-scale of production, and has some learning to do? I know they had turbo motors on the SVO Mustang a long time ago, and a Merkur coupe, but those were all small-scale production. And if I recall right, the Merkur was a European model, so likely engineered overseas. Just seems like a rookie mistake to not handle IC moisture properly.
 
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A lot of manufactures have this problem. VW, the company that sells the most turbo charged engines have this same problem too. It is easily solved with a water/air inter cooler than the air/air inter cooler. VW has has plenty of TDI's hydro lock. The new VW engines all have the water/air inter cooler.
 
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I've had 3-4 turbo cars with an intercooler and never heard of this before, so is it a case where Ford is new to turbo/IC engines on a large-scale of production, and has some learning to do? I know they had turbo motors on the SVO Mustang a long time ago, and a Merkur coupe, but those were all small-scale production. And if I recall right, the Merkur was a European model, so likely engineered overseas. Just seems like a rookie mistake to not handle IC moisture properly.

No ... their diesels since about 1995 have all had turbo's. We also have an 87 & 88 Thunderbird Turbo Coupe in my family. So, they're no stranger to a turbo charger
 
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I've had 3-4 turbo cars with an intercooler and never heard of this before, so is it a case where Ford is new to turbo/IC engines on a large-scale of production, and has some learning to do? I know they had turbo motors on the SVO Mustang a long time ago, and a Merkur coupe, but those were all small-scale production. And if I recall right, the Merkur was a European model, so likely engineered overseas. Just seems like a rookie mistake to not handle IC moisture properly.

Trucks have a super wide dynamic of loads. Ford tested basically at maximum load all the time. Apparently, it never occurred to them the guy trying to get good gas milage would, from time to time, floor it.

My sister is a mechanical engineer and just from her tales, i can see how stuff like this happens. The classic story is the toothpaste factory.

A Short Story for Engineers
You don’t have to be an engineer to appreciate this story.

A toothpaste factory had a problem: Due to the way the production line was set up, sometimes empty boxes were shipped without the tube inside. People with experience in designing production lines will tell you how difficult it is to have everything happen with timings so precise that every single unit coming off of it is perfect 100% of the time. Small variations in the environment (which cannot be controlled in a cost-effective fashion) mean quality assurance checks must be smartly distributed across the production line so that customers all the way down to the supermarket won’t get frustrated and purchase another product instead.

Understanding how important that was, the CEO of the toothpaste factory gathered the top people in the company together. Since their own engineering department was already stretched too thin, they decided to hire an external engineering company to solve their empty boxes problem.

The project followed the usual process: budget and project sponsor allocated, RFP (request for proposal), third-parties selected, and six months (and $8 million) later a fantastic solution was delivered — on time, on budget, high quality and everyone in the project had a great time. The problem was solved by using high-tech precision scales that would sound a bell and flash lights whenever a toothpaste box would weigh less than it should. The line would stop, and someone had to walk over and yank the defective box off the line, then press another button to re-start the line.

A short time later, the CEO decided to have a look at the ROI (return on investment) of the project: amazing results! No empty boxes ever shipped out of the factory after the scales were put in place. There were very few customer complaints, and they were gaining market share. “That was some money well spent!” he said, before looking closely at the other statistics in the report.

The number of defects picked up by the scales was 0 after three weeks of production use. How could that be? It should have been picking up at least a dozen a day, so maybe there was something wrong with the report. He filed a bug against it, and after some investigation, the engineers indicated the statistics were indeed correct. The scales were NOT picking up any defects, because all boxes that got to that point in the conveyor belt were good.

Perplexed, the CEO traveled down to the factory and walked up to the part of the line where the precision scales were installed. A few feet before the scale, a $20 desk fan was blowing any empty boxes off the belt and into a bin. Puzzled, the CEO turned to one of the workers who stated, “Oh, that? One of the guys put it there ’cause he was tired of walking over every time the bell rang.”
 
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In other news, it looks like Kioti has their backhoe for the NX and DX series, the subframe-mounted KB2485.

KB2485 Backhoe | Kioti Tractors

Hopefully Kioti has redesigned the subframe to keep it from cracking.

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