Most domestic content question

[Builder]

P.S.: I hope this thread doesn't get locked. Its obviously gotten silly, but hunterrdigefarm did give us some serious information to think about so it isn't totally useless and I hope everyone is laughing at this point even if they aren't getting useful info.

Seeeeeeee..... I told you, just keep your paranoia to yourself doctor Georgie and maybe we'll get an answer to my original question. Have a moon pie and an RC cola with your meds, there's no shooter in the grassy knoll.....

I told you there was no need to ask "why". Don't need a PHD to figure that out do I, doctor Georgie?



Now please, allow our members to answer the question "which 80 HP 4x4 utility tractor has the most domestic content?"

 

[john_bud]

This isn't about tractors, (neither is this thread anymore!!!) but here is the domestic content data for automobiles from 2004. Most up to date data I have found.

As with all net data, you get what you paid for.


(Hope I didn't spoil the argument by providing data!)


By the way, I got this data to rebutt a page 1 comment that Toyota was the most domestic content truck and accord most for a car. WRONG on both counts.

Chev and Ford trucks at 85% (ram at 75%)
Accord and Tundra at 60%

Kia - about 1%.

 

[DavesTractor]

.....
Now please, allow our members to answer the question "which 80 HP 4x4 utility tractor has the most domestic content?"

Mahindra's largest series, the 5520/6520/7520 is built mostly in India. The smaller ones mostly in Japan...but you are asking about 80ish HP. Tires, wheels, seats, loaders, backhoes, and perhaps the batteries and ROPs are USA. Final assembly is in the USA of course. What percent domestic would be hard to quantify. 10% domestic on a bare tractor, more on a tractor/loader. OK, theres a shot at it.

Now I suggest someone take a Kubota, JD, NH, etc and do the same.

 

[patrick_g]

Pat, you're just ruining this thread! But since it has been ruined in so many ways, let me tell you why you are wrong.

Thanks for that. I was beginning to think no one cared or noticed how I was personally responsible, ONCE AGAIN, for completely ruining a thread, single handedly with no assistance whatsoever from the individuals quoting each others quotes that quoted each others quoted quotes.

Some of us have the knack and some don't.

Pat

 

[N80]

Don't need a PHD to figure that out do I, doctor Georgie?

I don't have a PHD. But I need one. Need 12 three foot holes for my tractor shed and really don't want to do it by hand. But in addition to being paranoid and liberal, I am a cheap son-of-a-gun so I'll probably dig them by hand.

Now please, allow our members to answer the question "which 80 HP 4x4 utility tractor has the most domestic content?"

Yeah. What's up with that?

 

[RobJ]

then we have to ask the question

No, we really don't.

 

[N80]

"Why can't we all just get along?"
Rodney King

Edited to add:

On November 29, 2007, Rodney King was shot in the face, arms, back and torso, with birdshot while riding his bicycle in San Bernardino, California, but police characterized his injuries as "not life threatening".

And apparently no one has mentioned Dick Cheney as a suspect!

 

[patrick_g]

Note: PhD does not equal PHD. I have one of the latter.

That is a terrible thing to hear about Rodney, I'm so disappointed they used the wrong shot size.

Pat

 

[N80]

Note: PhD does not equal PHD. I have one of the latter.
Pat

You can buy both on the internet.

 

[daTeacha]

Well, hi guys!

I just spent a goodly part of my lunch period reading this thing. I find the original question interesting and the various tangents entertaining, especially in light of trying to get an afternoon's worth of freshman to stay simultaneously on topic for more than, say 10 seconds.

Since I'm once again late to the party, let me toss in a few thoughts.

First of all, there is nothing wrong with a rhetorical question. The OP could be taken to be a simple inquiry as to whether or not the information about content was known. It was not necessarily a request for the information as originally stated, although many of you took it that way.

Secondly, Patrick G, I'm glad to see you have another fun thread to twist and turn and entertain us with. I just wish I had gotten involved sooner than this since some are suggesting it be locked. I hope it doesn't happen, but rather that it be allowed to die a natural death, as the airplane thread finally did.

Third, my lunch period is about over and I need to visit the little room upstairs, so I hope this thing is still alive tomorrow!

 

[N80]

First of all, there is nothing wrong with a rhetorical question. The OP could be taken to be a simple inquiry as to whether or not the information about content was known. It was not necessarily a request for the information as originally stated, although many of you took it that way.

I would suggest that there is nothing wrong with asking any type of question. And I suspect the OP might take exception to you describing his simple question as rhetorical. A rhetorical question is one designed for effect, in other words, to generate conversation. The OP repeatedly stated that that was not his intent. My entire contention was that the question, as posed, sounded rhetorical and if that was not his intent then he need to make it less rhetorical. The result of his question, and this cannot be argued, was rhetoric. And lots of it.

But I stand by your contention that there is nothing wrong with a rhetorical question. Conversation is good. But if what you are after is a concise, literal and/or technical answer to a question, then phraseing it as rhetorical will not accomplish your desires. The OP essentially wanted a number, or at least a finite answer, not rhetoric.

So it sounds like you and I are on the same page. You ask a rhetorical question and you can and will get rhetoric, which is fun for everyone.

So no, there is nothing wrong with asking a rhetorical question. But that doesn't mean one can't ask a better question if rhetoric is not what you are looking for.

And after tending a room full of freshmen, dealing with a bunch of sophomoric (which means 'wise fool') TBNers (including me) must be a breath of fresh air.....or maybe not.

 

[RobJ]

Hey George....

hehe What's your favorite tractor?

 

[N80]

Hey George....

hehe What's your favorite tractor?

I'll never tell, but after reading this thread I took the whole thing apart to find out where all the parts were from. Here's the breakdown:

15% US (fluids and rubber), 75% Japan and since I could not find where the remaining 10% went back on I just put them in a box and sold them on eBay.

 

[patrick_g]

Originally Posted by patrick_g
Note: PhD does not equal PHD. I have one of the latter.
Pat

You can buy both on the internet.

A store bought PhD is not worth the postage.

I have a good PHD and will be using it as soon as I get a break in the weather as I have some fencing to complete before winter really set in with a vengeance.

Pat

 

[john_bud]

Actually, I would like to know the breakdown of content by country for each of the major tractor brands.

My guess, would be the same today as it was in the 80's and 90's. --> 0-10% USA content on all tractors 50hp and under.


Now, if you count VOLUME content and the air in the tires is domestic air....

jb

 

[N80]

A store bought PhD is not worth the postage.

Pat

And how do you know that? Hmmm?

 

[patrick_g]

And how do you know that? Hmmm?

It is an estimate on my part, a value judgment based on more that the average length of attendance in institutions of higher learning and dealing with various holders of real PhD's both in an academic venue as well as in the workplace where I have both managed PhD's and been managed by PhD's and worked along side several.

I think a phony PhD would amount to something like putting you in a Dallas Cowboys uniform, placing you in the starting lineup, and expecting you to not only survive a real game but to perform at a level commensurate to the appearance.

I personally don't think you would remain conscious long enough to have the time to appreciate an up close view of the Dallas Cowgirls.

Pat

 

[N80]

I think a phony PhD would amount to.....

Hey, it worked with the Scarecrow didn't it? (I'm trying to keep with the movie sub-theme that has developed here and to try to divert the conversation away from the fact that you seem very sensitive about the phony PhD thing...... seems like I hit a nerve.....

..... something like putting you in a Dallas Cowboys uniform, placing you in the starting lineup, and expecting you to not only survive a real game but to perform at a level commensurate to the appearance.

Oh no, its not like that at all Patrick, I mean really... where do you think I got my MD? My alma mater:

Magic Mill- Create a fake college diploma

I personally don't think you would remain conscious long enough to have the time to appreciate an up close view of the Dallas Cowgirls.

Pat

Well , you see, maybe its because you're not thinking this through. The cheerleaders are on the sideline.

 

[Builder]

Actually, I would like to know the breakdown of content by country for each of the major tractor brands.

My guess, would be the same today as it was in the 80's and 90's. --> 0-10% USA content on all tractors 50hp and under.


Now, if you count VOLUME content and the air in the tires is domestic air....

jb

It's impossible to get an answer with clowns like these trashing the thread.

Someone said they were surprised it hadn't been locked yet......maybe it's been left open so they can continue to try to convince themselves they're helpful or funny??

 

[3RRL]

I think Patric would argue about the air being domestic?