MF35 Utility - repairs for winter

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That reminds me, can someone post a pic of the hydraulic quick disconnects on the rear of the tractor? My one hose/connector is just hanging there and I need to figure out a way to mount it so I can actually connect things when I need to. :)
 
/ MF35 Utility - repairs for winter #22  
I would gladly, however I have no rear remotes on my machine. You have a diverted valve off the cap for the stand pipe? If you snap a pic of what you have we could probably help devise a system to secure it.
 
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A few notes about the air cleaner. Some years ago I noticed the air cleaner dripping oil. I disassembled it and found a pinhole in the cup. Repaired it with epoxy and went on my way.

Now it's leaking again so I took the cup off and gave it a swim in the parts washer. This is what it looked like after that.

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Not bad. One big hole to fix, right? Then I held it up to the light

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That doesn't look good. I checked ebay and found aftermarket cups pretty cheap. It may be the wrong color but the problem is solved.
 

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Shaeff, I have the radiator installed and this is what it looks like right now. I've also included a picture of the pump drive shaft.

Next I'll be putting the hood on and then working on the wiring for lights. I'll take more pictures as I go.

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/ MF35 Utility - repairs for winter #25  
With old beasts like these, I feel it's much better to have a good working machine than worry what it looks like! Definitely better to put a good cup on the bottom of that air filter.

If the o-ring ever fails under your power steering reservoir, I've found a good way to remove it. There is one bolt in the bottom, but once you remove it the reservoir is still held in place by the center suction piece that's screwed firmly into the pump housing. The suction piece has a hole drilled cross-ways through it (parallel to the ground), I found that if you insert the 90* section of a large (i used 6mm) allan key, then use a 6mm socket wrench on the other end of the allan it'll come out with no problems at all. I don't know of any other way to get it out, but that's what I came up with and it worked a treat.

So the pump mounts on that large cast boss? I wonder why mine is mounted so far outboard? I'll have to snap a pic of that for you. I have a very similar loader frame to yours, but my pump is mounted on the OUTSIDE of the loader frame, completely vulnerable to anything that may roll down a rock pile and bash into it. I wonder why mine's mounted all the way out there with a long splined shaft?

I should figure a way to properly mount it, then encase it in steel to protect it from brush, sticks, rocks, etc... when working the machine. Thanks for the pics!
 
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So the pump mounts on that large cast boss?
Yep, it mounts right there. We put the hood on today for the first time in two years. After I replaced the radiator with a new one back then, the hood didn't quite fit so we just left it off. Today we used a grinder to remove some metal and make everything fit. I'll post a pic of the front end as soon as I can. The pump mount is slightly recessed below the grill. Post of pic of yours - I am curious.

Thanks for the power steering tip. I have been losing fluid forever and am not sure if it leaks out the reservoir cap or if it's leaking into the motor or something. This time I made yet another gasket for the PS reservoir cover. Do you know what seals your cover?
 
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Yep, it mounts right there. We put the hood on today for the first time in two years. After I replaced the radiator with a new one back then, the hood didn't quite fit so we just left it off. Today we used a grinder to remove some metal and make everything fit. I'll post a pic of the front end as soon as I can. The pump mount is slightly recessed below the grill. Post of pic of yours - I am curious. Thanks for the power steering tip. I have been losing fluid forever and am not sure if it leaks out the reservoir cap or if it's leaking into the motor or something. This time I made yet another gasket for the PS reservoir cover. Do you know what seals your cover?

Very interesting, I'll definitely have to investigate this further. I always thought my pump looked like an afterthought in its current location.

Must be nice to have the hood back on!

I'll snap a pic of mine tomorrow afternoon. My power steering reservoir has a very thin rubber seal at that's stuck to the lid. When I got my machine the steering took all I had to turn, I took the reservoir lid off and thought an easy fix to just put fluid in it. When I started to fill, it ran right out the bottom as fast as I could put it in!
 
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Getting closer. Hood is installed and loader main arms are mounted.

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Very nice, I really love the style of these old machines! All progress is good progress! It's POURING rain here so no machine work for me today!



Here are pics of my hydraulic pump, the plate that the pump is bolted to is actually bolted to the loader frame as well. Looks like a home made job to me, but who knows!
 

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That's a good point. I have never changed the oil in the loader. When you say mineral hyd oil, you mean the loader should use the same oil that's in the transmission/3pt lift?

No, the transmission and 3PT use SAE90 or SAE80/90 gear oil. A suitable alternative is UTI (Universal Tractor Oil).

Checking around, I've found it appears guys are using several different oils - mostly ATF type 3 - which is what I'm also using.

Here's a link to a thread from last year on this exact point - albeit for a Davis 102 loader, but the pumps for the hydraulic systems are of the same characteristics.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...ntage/325348-1962-mf-202-workbull-loader.html

Kenneth S seems to know more than me. In post 2, he states they need a hydraulic oil that meets MF Spec M1110.
In post 5 MF Workbull tells us his manual calls for "good ole ATF". Works well for me too, although I'd advise to not use synthetic ATF.
 
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Shaeff, if I had to guess I'd say the original hydraulic pump failed and someone fabricated that mount and drive shaft to work with a pump they were able to locate, but who knows. I guess if it works, it works!

Patrick, thanks for the info and the link.

I have the tractor back together now and ran it last night. When I raise the loader as far as it will go, the screaming noise is not coming from the relief valve. It's coming from the hydraulic pump up front. Does anyone know if that's normal or not?

I had convinced myself that the weak lift was due to a lazy relief valve by now I am not so sure. My next step is to drain the existing fluid and find and clear that screen you all mentioned. The current fluid is red and looks relatively clean but I have not changed it since I got the tractor ten years ago and also don't know if the previous owner ever changed it. I plan to check specs on AW46 or AW32 hyd oil to see if it meets the "MF Spec M1110" that Patrick mentioned.

Two questions:
  • is there no drain plug in the loader frame to drain the oil? I looked under there and did not see one.
  • to get at the screen, do I just remove the hose from the bottom of the loader frame reservoir? Is it just sitting right there?
 
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Shaeff, if I had to guess I'd say the original hydraulic pump failed and someone fabricated that mount and drive shaft to work with a pump they were able to locate, but who knows. I guess if it works, it works! Patrick, thanks for the info and the link. I have the tractor back together now and ran it last night. When I raise the loader as far as it will go, the screaming noise is not coming from the relief valve. It's coming from the hydraulic pump up front. Does anyone know if that's normal or not? I had convinced myself that the weak lift was due to a lazy relief valve by now I am not so sure. My next step is to drain the existing fluid and find and clear that screen you all mentioned. The current fluid is red and looks relatively clean but I have not changed it since I got the tractor ten years ago and also don't know if the previous owner ever changed it. I plan to check specs on AW46 or AW32 hyd oil to see if it meets the "MF Spec M1110" that Patrick mentioned. Two questions: [*]is there no drain plug in the loader frame to drain the oil? I looked under there and did not see one. [*]to get at the screen, do I just remove the hose from the bottom of the loader frame reservoir? Is it just sitting right there?

I'm beginning to think just that. The PN on the hydraulic pump is a Massey number but I can't cross reference it to any of the loader models. I just hate how vulnerable it is.

Mine squeals a bit when overloaded, no idea if it's normal or not, I never really paid attention to where it was coming from.

On the 99 loader there is no drain plug. You'll need to remove the lower suction hose from the barbed fitting, then the hex shaped adapter that goes into the reservoir. The screen should be right in there. I'm planning to drain and refill mine before winter, it had lots of water mixed in when I drained it the first time. I run the UTF from Tractor Supply in my loader, seems to run fine.
 
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Bmiszuk, that screaming noise sure sounds like cavitation caused by a restriction in the oil supply. Does it seem to get worse after working (including driving) the machine for some time? Also, does it seem more pronounced at higher revs compared to when the engine is idling?
It may be as easy as washing out the pick-up screen and the reservoir! ;)
 
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I just drained the fluid. It was red color, slightly milky. I didn't get nearly as much as I thought I would out of it. Maybe two gallons?

I haven't been able to break loose the hex fitting that screws into the loader frame/oil reservoir. I may have to wait until this evening when I have more help.

Patrick, I haven't really had a chance to know if it lifts less when it's been running for a while. Generally when I feed large bales in winter, I let the tractor warm up a bit, move one bale and then shut down. For other work like snow removal and moving manure, I haven't noticed it being any worse when it's warm.

I bought 5 gallons of UTF from Bomgaar's. According to the label it meets M1110 spec.
 
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Not so much when it's warmed, but more about after it has run and moved about for a while. Remember the pump will be circulating hydraulic oil through the pick-up screen, filter, pump, valve block and back to the reservoir continuously. The only time that changes is when you move a valve to use the bucket.
This oil circulating and tractor movement will do two things:
1. Slosh the oil Front-to-rear in the reservoir, stirring the sludge and other impurities off the bottom; and
2. Allow this to be sucked against the pick-up screen, progressively blocking it.
The possible results I would expect:
1. Slower movement of all bucket actions, and increasing engine (and pump) speed makes no or little difference;
2. Increased howling (cavitation) noise as more of the pick-up screen becomes blocked;
3. Lifting strength may be reduced. That's what happened to our 135 with the 3PL pick-up screen (and gearbox oil) - was weaker and took 30-45secs to raise - except there wasn't any audible noise at all.

It's going to be interesting to find out what's in the bottom of the reservoir! :laughing:
Don't discount the possibility though that the noise is only caused by a worn bearing in the pump. :rolleyes:
 
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The screen has some gunk on it but it wasn't too terrible.
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Patrick, now I understand what you mean. I've never really noticed the loader acting up after moving around. It seems to work pretty much the same all the time.

I'm going to try to flush the reservoir out (any suggestions?), put it back together with fresh fluid, install the pressure gauge and then try to lift a bale. We'll see what happens after that.

BTW, yesterday we cleaned up the feed area and spread 5 or 6 spreader loads of manure. A 55 year old tractor pulling a 60-70 year old manure spreader :thumbsup: The spreader is a David Bradley that was given to me as junk a few years ago. My daughter and I rebuilt it last winter, replacing all the wood and giving it a fresh coat of paint. It works very nicely for what I need.
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Great pics - thanks, seeing it makes things a lot easier than imagining!
That isn't a lot of matter on the screen - but I wonder if it has dropped off while the tractor's been parked and you've been removing the oil pick-up? There's not a lot you can do about it though.

What ideas can I think of for flushing out the reservoir? This is what I'd try ... although someone else can likely suggest a better method:
1. Park the tractor with the oil pick-up at the lowest point of the reservoir.
Temporarily refit the pick-up and add some of the old oil if you need to start up the engine.
2. Plug the hole temporarily - a water-pipe plug (NPT thread), tapered timber or plastic "cork" will be fine.
3. Pour in 4-5 litres/1 gallon diesel.
4. Using a piece of piping (3/8 or 1/2" copper plumbing pipe springs to mind) that will easily reach the bottom with one foot or so out the top, insert an air blaster into the protruding end, blast air profusely through the pipe, whilst moving the other end of the pipe in each direction around the bottom of the reservoir. A small bend near each end of the pipe may be beneficial. ***Keep your face well out of range of the backdraft***
5. When you believe the sediment has been sufficiently stirred up, release the plug and drain the contents into a tray. Allow to drain for several minutes, and contents of tray will also settle in this time.
6. Refit plug. It may be possible to pour clean diesel off the top of the tray back into the reservoir for a second flushing, or alternatively skip this step and go on to a final rinse with a couple litres or 1/2 gallon of clean diesel, and if it's clean when it drains out, rinse the diesel out with a litre of petrol, let it drain dry for an hour or so.
7. Seal pick-up fitting in place. Refill with fresh oil. ***Don't start engine yet.*** Release trapped air from pump intake if possible.

***If you are concerned with the remaining old oil that's still in the hydraulic system and don't want it to mix with the new oil you've just put in - remember all the cylinders, hoses, pump and the valve assembly are still full of old oil - read carefully and understand the following: -

You can minimise the old oil mixing with the new - but it might waste a little new oil. Disconnect the return hose at the reservoir and have an assistant hold it in an approx 2 gallon container. The next steps are critical for maximum effect. Remember when the engine starts, the oil is then pumped constantly.

I would, in very quick succession, with minimal delay between steps:

a. Start engine;
b. Bucket full up;
c. Bucket full forward;
d. Bucket full back;
e. Bucket full down;
f. Bucket half up;
g. Bucket full down;
h. Engine off.
i. Refit return hose to reservoir.
j. Replenish reservoir to correct level.
k. Start up again, check bucket function, also check for leaks and recheck oil level.
By this time the oil returning to the reservoir will be reasonably clean, and aside from removing hoses and cylinders, remaining old oil is quite difficult to remove. There won't be any sludge in it having already passed through the screen and thew filter, so I'd be confident 98% of oil will be new.

After allowing the old oil to settle for a few days, you'll be able to pour off some from the top, and get a better idea of just what was on the reservoir bottom. Keep us in the loop!
 
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That isn't a lot of matter on the screen - but I wonder if it has dropped off while the tractor's been parked and you've been removing the oil pick-up? There's not a lot you can do about it though.
The matter on the screen was actually SOLID. It was like a sealant that had dried on the screen or something. I had to gently clean it off using the wire brush in the grinder.

I then put the screen back on and put some new hyd fluid in the reservoir, ran the tractor, moved the loader up/down and tilted the bucket. Drain the fluid, cleaned a little bit of foreign matter off the screen. Repeat. And repeat again.

The last time I did it, the fluid still had a slight red tint to it (from the old fluid) but there was absolutely no evidence of sludge or crud or anything on the pickup screen.

I refilled it with new Universal Tractor Fluid from Bomgaar's and exercised the hydraulics until all the air was out. I think the next pictures tell the story best of all!

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/ MF35 Utility - repairs for winter #39  
I don't remember if your loader has a bale spike or not but if you have just forks please be careful lifting a bale like in the first picture. My uncle spent several days in the hospital after a bale rolled down the loader arms onto him.

I really like the fact that your daughter spreads manure. Those kind of experiences are good for every younger person to experience.
 
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I don't remember if your loader has a bale spike or not but if you have just forks please be careful lifting a bale like in the first picture. My uncle spent several days in the hospital after a bale rolled down the loader arms onto him.

pmsmechanic, can you look at the bale spear pictured in the very first post of this thread and let me know if you think it could be a problem? Did your uncle have forks attached to his bucket only?

I really like the fact that your daughter spreads manure. Those kind of experiences are good for every younger person to experience.

I think it's good for them to experience it also. I walked along side her virtually the entire time to make sure she stayed safe. What's amazing is that she even thinks the manure spreader is a pretty neat machine :cool:

It sure is good to get the kids off their cell phones and outside for a while to see what the real world is like ;)
 
 
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