Maybe a Step 'Backwards', But Handy?

J_J · Jun 7, 2006

Re: Maybe a Step \'Backwards\', But Handy?

If you are half scared to death twice, you still have half of what is left from the first half and so on and so on. You keep dividing the half life by half. I think.

J_J · Jun 7, 2006

Re: Maybe a Step \'Backwards\', But Handy?

If you are half scared to death twice, you still have half of what is left from the first half and so on and so on. You keep dividing the half life by half. I think.

Spiffy · Jun 7, 2006

Re: Maybe a Step \'Backwards\', But Handy?

Thanks! Of course, I better not let my head swell /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif especially if I can't even post the right link:

Try This valve instead of the one in my earlier post.

One cylinder spool, and one non-reversing ( /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif but the price is right) motor spool. I'd think it'd be about the same price as a couple high pressure ball valves and fittings. GPM/Pressure rated right with the 4XX too.

On the down side, you'd have to buy or fab handles (or a joystick! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif) and you'd have to buy the extra set of lines too. Of course, even using a "T" set-up extra quick connects would need to be purchased, so I'm not counting that.

Spiffy · Jun 7, 2006

Re: Maybe a Step \'Backwards\', But Handy?

Thanks! Of course, I better not let my head swell /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif especially if I can't even post the right link:

Try This valve instead of the one in my earlier post.

One cylinder spool, and one non-reversing ( /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif but the price is right) motor spool. I'd think it'd be about the same price as a couple high pressure ball valves and fittings. GPM/Pressure rated right with the 4XX too.

On the down side, you'd have to buy or fab handles (or a joystick! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif) and you'd have to buy the extra set of lines too. Of course, even using a "T" set-up extra quick connects would need to be purchased, so I'm not counting that.

Spiffy · Jun 7, 2006

Re: Maybe a Step \'Backwards\', But Handy?

( If you are half scared to death twice, you still have half of what is left from the first half and so on and so on. You keep dividing the half life by half. I think. )

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Spiffy · Jun 7, 2006

Re: Maybe a Step \'Backwards\', But Handy?

( If you are half scared to death twice, you still have half of what is left from the first half and so on and so on. You keep dividing the half life by half. I think. )

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Barryh · Jun 7, 2006

Re: Maybe a Step \'Backwards\', But Handy?

I see you liked that one. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Barryh · Jun 7, 2006

Re: Maybe a Step \'Backwards\', But Handy?

I see you liked that one. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Barryh · Jun 7, 2006

Re: Maybe a Step \'Backwards\', But Handy?

 Thanks! Of course, I better not let my head swell especially if I can't even post the right link:


If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Barryh · Jun 7, 2006

Re: Maybe a Step \'Backwards\', But Handy?

 Thanks! Of course, I better not let my head swell especially if I can't even post the right link:


If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

MossRoad · Jun 7, 2006

Re: Maybe a Step \'Backwards\', But Handy?

I would leave the quick attach circuit alone and instead add an electric diverter valve and hoses so that the left/right movement of the joystick operates the dump/curl function in one position and operates the attachment function (plow left/right, 4-in-1 open/close or mini-hoe curl) in the secondary position. Several folks have done this already and it seems to be a pretty straight forward modification that adds real functionality to the machine. If I had more attachments than the plow, I would consider this mod. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

MossRoad · Jun 7, 2006

Re: Maybe a Step \'Backwards\', But Handy?

I would leave the quick attach circuit alone and instead add an electric diverter valve and hoses so that the left/right movement of the joystick operates the dump/curl function in one position and operates the attachment function (plow left/right, 4-in-1 open/close or mini-hoe curl) in the secondary position. Several folks have done this already and it seems to be a pretty straight forward modification that adds real functionality to the machine. If I had more attachments than the plow, I would consider this mod. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Spiffy · Jun 8, 2006

Re: Maybe a Step \'Backwards\', But Handy?

Each to their own, but I am curious why the electric selector valves are commonly installed, yet installing a manual valve bank seems to scare everyone off? /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif I don't see much difference in the amount of plumbing required, but I might be missing something. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

I know on CUTs the electric often makes sense for a grapple (so the switch can be mounted on the joystick, leaving 1 hand opperation); the same would be true of the PT, but when part of the frustration is disconnecting hoses, an electric selector won't solve that part of the problem.

Spiffy · Jun 8, 2006

Re: Maybe a Step \'Backwards\', But Handy?

Each to their own, but I am curious why the electric selector valves are commonly installed, yet installing a manual valve bank seems to scare everyone off? /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif I don't see much difference in the amount of plumbing required, but I might be missing something. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

I know on CUTs the electric often makes sense for a grapple (so the switch can be mounted on the joystick, leaving 1 hand opperation); the same would be true of the PT, but when part of the frustration is disconnecting hoses, an electric selector won't solve that part of the problem.

Marks481 · Jun 8, 2006

Re: Maybe a Step \'Backwards\', But Handy?

The electric selector valve gives you another hydraulic circuit, which you can use instead of the aux circuit for the curl of the minihoe bucket or closing the 4n1 bucket. This means that you don't have to unconnect/reconnect the aux circuit from the quick attach plate whenever you use one of these attachments.

It doesn't solve the frustration of the hydraulic lock preventing the quick disconnects from plugging in, but that has only been a problem for me a couple of times at most.

Marks481 · Jun 8, 2006

Re: Maybe a Step \'Backwards\', But Handy?

The electric selector valve gives you another hydraulic circuit, which you can use instead of the aux circuit for the curl of the minihoe bucket or closing the 4n1 bucket. This means that you don't have to unconnect/reconnect the aux circuit from the quick attach plate whenever you use one of these attachments.

It doesn't solve the frustration of the hydraulic lock preventing the quick disconnects from plugging in, but that has only been a problem for me a couple of times at most.

MossRoad · Jun 9, 2006

Re: Maybe a Step \'Backwards\', But Handy?

As said, the use of a powered implement currently requires the operator to touch four hydraulic connections when attaching or unattaching a powered implement. With the diverter valve, only two connections have to be touched. So instead of it taking 30 seconds to hook up an implement, it will now only take 15 seconds........ man, are we spoiled rotten or what??? /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

MossRoad · Jun 9, 2006

Re: Maybe a Step \'Backwards\', But Handy?

As said, the use of a powered implement currently requires the operator to touch four hydraulic connections when attaching or unattaching a powered implement. With the diverter valve, only two connections have to be touched. So instead of it taking 30 seconds to hook up an implement, it will now only take 15 seconds........ man, are we spoiled rotten or what??? /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

BillCroasmun · Jun 9, 2006

Re: Maybe a Step \'Backwards\', But Handy?

Not sure what they cost but using a small electric actuator instead of hydraulics for the QA pins could leave the QA circuit available full time for attachments. This wouldn't require any additional valves, lines, etc. Just wiring up a switch and running wires out to the new actuator.

I could take pictures of the 180's QA setup if your still interested as well. I'm sure flipping the QA switcfh is more convenient but the manual way isn't all that bad. When I want to switch out my LMB I lift the arms up with the plate tilted forward and lean forward and unlock the pins from my seat. No getting off the tractor or anything. I'm only 5'5" so it's not even that I have a long reach. I do have to lean just enough to start to raise my seat up (when buckled) but it's one fluid motion. unfortuanely 2 of my three attachments require the PTO though so I have to get out of the seat when I go to connect them up. I guess I can only be so lazy. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

BillCroasmun · Jun 9, 2006

Re: Maybe a Step \'Backwards\', But Handy?

Not sure what they cost but using a small electric actuator instead of hydraulics for the QA pins could leave the QA circuit available full time for attachments. This wouldn't require any additional valves, lines, etc. Just wiring up a switch and running wires out to the new actuator.

I could take pictures of the 180's QA setup if your still interested as well. I'm sure flipping the QA switcfh is more convenient but the manual way isn't all that bad. When I want to switch out my LMB I lift the arms up with the plate tilted forward and lean forward and unlock the pins from my seat. No getting off the tractor or anything. I'm only 5'5" so it's not even that I have a long reach. I do have to lean just enough to start to raise my seat up (when buckled) but it's one fluid motion. unfortuanely 2 of my three attachments require the PTO though so I have to get out of the seat when I go to connect them up. I guess I can only be so lazy. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif