May get a new chipper

   / May get a new chipper
  • Thread Starter
#21  
Guess I'll summarize. Think I was wrong about the Wallenstein knife access.

Chippper WoodlandMills Mac Wallenstein Woodmaxx

4" cost 2700 2000 3000 2500 2800 These are round numbers.
Chutes Horiz. vert. vert. Horiz.
Feed Hyd Manual Manual Manual Hyd
Knive Maint. Top half Window Top half Window
Maufactured Canada US Canada Canada

Hopefully, I've got it all right.

Crap, now why does it not show the columns? Everything is all crammed together. They show again when I edit.

Ralph
 
   / May get a new chipper #22  
For a sight increased cost, if you're ever planning to get near the max size of that 4", and you have enough tractor to drive something bigger, bigger is ALWAYS better on a chipper. Make sure it has a big ol' fat flywheel because that's what does all the work. The 4" might be all you need, but if you're feeding it water oak brush or anything of similar species, you will regret not having the larger opening. I have a 3" Briggs powered chipper, and that thing will work you to death. Between all the extra cutting and poking the stuff in the chipper, yep, wore out gloves, killed my wrists and shoulders, and constantly fought clogs when I fed it birch, despite the flails in it. A 3" chipper won't take much of anything over 1 inch, unless it's REALLY straight.

Dried material will ALWAYS be harder to chip, and hard on the hands. UNLESS, you get a hydraulic or manual feed. Poke the brush in the rollers, and let them do the work. NEVER, but NEVER put your hands past the mouth of the chute. Besides that, you'll find the chute is sized pretty much where you cannot reach the rollers without doing silly things. Most, as the OP pointed out have a safety bar. If you hit that bar, it actually reverses the feed rollers because it thinks you're trying to change your number base by removing digits if not appendages. They really are pretty safe, though, if you treat them like there are four very sharp knives whirling around on a 200 pound flywheel. I ain't no rocket scientist, but I do understand Darwin's theory of selectivity. I actually do have an engineering degree, but it doesn't take that much education to just not put your hands in places you shouldn't. Anyone with a girlfriend or wife should be familiar with this axiom. Most of these monsters can be fed from quite a way back from the hopper if your brush is long enough. If you got a large enough chipper, your brush should be long enough. There's less need to cut things up with a larger infeed. Stick the butt of a 6" tree in an 8" chipper, and let the big dog eat. The WM-8H, WM-8M, WC-68 all will run just fine with 19.5 PTO HP. I just had this discussion on another forum that I frequent. The WM-8M is a little less costly than the WM-8H because of the lack of hydraulic pump. It's a mechanical (belt driven) infeed, and is geared to feed the beast at 50 FPM. The WM-8H, being hydraulic, with it's own pump and reservoir (also belt driven) can be adjusted from nearly 0 up to whatever max feed rate is (75 FPM if I recall). Depending on what you're chipping for what purpose, you can vary your chip size. It also lends itself to running it with smaller tractors by slowing down the feed rate on larger material. If you want big chips or to find out if you can stall your tractor, crank up the feed rate. The WC-68 is a 6"W x 8"H infeed chute. The WM-8H/M are both 8"W x 8"H (slightly larger) infeed. WC-68 has two driven rolls, the other two have one driven roll, if I remember what I read correctly. The pricing is all very similar on this frame size (8"), and if I had a hybrid of the Woodland Mills machine and the WoodMaxx machine, I'd be happier than a pig in slop. Right now I have my little 3" Briggs/Murray. But I also just bought a Kubota LX-2610-SU that needs something to do. I have plenty to feed a chipper and will have some very happy nightcrawlers to invite fishing with me when I'm done. I'm thinking slow feed rate, small chips, faster decay/mulching. Though listed as Made in Canada, they're all actually Chinese knockoffs of the Wallenstein. Hate to burst your bubble, but that's the way of it these days. The Wallenstein requires more PTO HP for their 8" model, and it's a monster to move. It also requires about 20% more cash for the purchase. Personally, I'm leaning toward a clamshell design for knife/cutter access. I don't care how good a chipper is, if you feed it the right material, you will choke it up. In my case, it's burch and elm. That stuff has some stringy bark.

Every owner of any brand that I've researched says their chipper is the best thing since sliced bread and handier than a shirt pocket. Some are built harder than woodpecker lips, some not so much. But even a cheap chipper can last quite a while and take a beating if you service it and keep it maintained. You're going to find something you don't like about any brand, and a lot of things you like about every brand. If you want it to cut, keep the knives at peak sharpness. For maintenance sake, I recommend a clam shell design simply because knife access is a lot easier. When you can see what you're doing, you're less likely to remove your fingers. If you start to see smoke coming out of the flywheel housing, even if ever so slightly, or smell something like burning wood when cutting fresh brush, it's time to flip the knives over. Just remember you did that, because next time, you'd do well to have a second set on hand to just swap while you send the first set to the sharpening service of choice. Some manufacturers will not sharpen knives from other products (probably avoiding liabilities more than not knowing how). There are a few sharpening services that will sharpen any knife from anything. Consumer beware. I sharpened my own knives for my little guy. Who cares if it's a polished edge if it cuts? You're making CHIPS. I have a small bench grinder with a fine grit wheel in it that won't overheat the knives. If you want a clean edge, then consider using a machine shop to mill the knives for you. Keep the bevel angle close to original, and Bob's your uncle. As massive as these things are, tiny weight differences are not going to matter much, but it's probably a smart idea to keep them as close as possible to the same weight. They don't turn super fast, and I doubt you'll ever see any more vibration than that from the PTO driveshaft. Some of the belt drive models step the 540 RPM up to something around 1100-1200. The faster machines will be more sensitive to smaller weight differences.
 
   / May get a new chipper #24  
Which Mac do you have? There's a TPH475 chipper only one that is 4". Looks as though the blades are accessed through a door NW of the rear bearing.

Ralph


THP185, the 4.5" PTO model. Mine's approaching 20 years old and looks a little different than the current model but is basically the same.


It's not hard to get to the blades on the Woodmaxx 8H. You do have to be careful about dropping a nut or bolt though. There is an access plate to get to the bottom of the flywheel housing but it's only on one side of the flywheel, and the flywheel is a fairly tight fit in the housing (which makes sense as it's also the fan). I dropped a bolt on the other side and had to whip up a combination of a remote grabber and a tiny camera on a cord to retrieve it. The clamshell of the Woodland Mills is surely much easier to get in to. I went back and forth between the two, and ended up with the Woodmaxx because of the dual rollers and the much larger number of reviews here. But the Woodland Mills looks like a better design in many respects.
 
   / May get a new chipper #25  
Ok, you guys have really driven me crazy - not that it was such a long drive. I had spoken to my wife about getting another chipper. I had a Wallenstein years ago. Used it to clear the woods out and sold it. Now I was all set to order the WoodMaxx WM-8H and then I see this thread. I never thought about knife or flywheel access. The Wallenstein had a clamshell design. Very easy access. Not so much with the WoodMaxx. Now I'm looking at the Woodland Mills WC-68. I would never chip anything over 3 or 4 inches (probably not 4") so my L3800 should be fine for either.
I read in the WoodMaxx manual about changing the knives - I'm sure I am more than capable of dropping the nuts into the abyss.

Is it really that much of a pia ??? Has anyone here changed the knives? What about clearing a clog or stringy crap that gets stuck - how easy is it to clear?

Ericm979 and I must have been posting at the same time :)
 
   / May get a new chipper #26  
As far as dropping nuts, magnets come in handy. I have a Woodmaxx 8H and the top half flips up for inspection. Changing the knifes doesn't look to complicated. My reason for the Woodmaxx, a 200# flywheel.

One of the better investments I have made.
 
   / May get a new chipper #27  
I have a 6" SALSCO non hydro feed that works OK but I knew it's limitations when I bought it. No complaints. My wife will not feed it but shes good at dragging the stuff to me.
I can add the hydro if I find a spare couple of thousand doing nothing. NOT!!
 
   / May get a new chipper #28  
I would never chip anything over 3 or 4 inches . . . Anything over 3" is firewood . . . Up to 2-3" goes in the hopper, over that goes to the woodpile . . .

I used to think that way, too. Shortly after getting my 6" chipper I thought: Do I really want to limb and buck that sapling, handle that many pieces to transport to the woodpile, stack them, handle them into the house, and into the stove or onto the fire? Now I seldom have that deliberation.
 
   / May get a new chipper #29  
Like I said - my current chipper is a Wallenstein BX62S. Designed to handle up to 6". I have NEVER limbed the pines I chip. 1" to 6" - butt first, in they go. With the clam shell design on the chipper chamber - checking the knives is super easy. I've even removed one blade - just to see how it went. Three bolts and the blade is out. View attachment 683283
 
   / May get a new chipper
  • Thread Starter
#30  
For a sight increased cost, if you're ever planning to get near the max size of that 4", and you have enough tractor to drive something bigger, bigger is ALWAYS better on a chipper. Make sure it has a big ol' fat flywheel because that's what does all the work. The 4" might be all you need, but if you're feeding it water oak brush or anything of similar species, you will regret not having the larger opening. I have a 3" Briggs powered chipper, and that thing will work you to death. Between all the extra cutting and poking the stuff in the chipper, yep, wore out gloves, killed my wrists and shoulders, and constantly fought clogs when I fed it birch, despite the flails in it. A 3" chipper won't take much of anything over 1 inch, unless it's REALLY straight.

Dried material will ALWAYS be harder to chip, and hard on the hands. UNLESS, you get a hydraulic or manual feed. Poke the brush in the rollers, and let them do the work. NEVER, but NEVER put your hands past the mouth of the chute. Besides that, you'll find the chute is sized pretty much where you cannot reach the rollers without doing silly things. Most, as the OP pointed out have a safety bar. If you hit that bar, it actually reverses the feed rollers because it thinks you're trying to change your number base by removing digits if not appendages. They really are pretty safe, though, if you treat them like there are four very sharp knives whirling around on a 200 pound flywheel. I ain't no rocket scientist, but I do understand Darwin's theory of selectivity. I actually do have an engineering degree, but it doesn't take that much education to just not put your hands in places you shouldn't. Anyone with a girlfriend or wife should be familiar with this axiom. Most of these monsters can be fed from quite a way back from the hopper if your brush is long enough. If you got a large enough chipper, your brush should be long enough. There's less need to cut things up with a larger infeed. Stick the butt of a 6" tree in an 8" chipper, and let the big dog eat. The WM-8H, WM-8M, WC-68 all will run just fine with 19.5 PTO HP. I just had this discussion on another forum that I frequent. The WM-8M is a little less costly than the WM-8H because of the lack of hydraulic pump. It's a mechanical (belt driven) infeed, and is geared to feed the beast at 50 FPM. The WM-8H, being hydraulic, with it's own pump and reservoir (also belt driven) can be adjusted from nearly 0 up to whatever max feed rate is (75 FPM if I recall). Depending on what you're chipping for what purpose, you can vary your chip size. It also lends itself to running it with smaller tractors by slowing down the feed rate on larger material. If you want big chips or to find out if you can stall your tractor, crank up the feed rate. The WC-68 is a 6"W x 8"H infeed chute. The WM-8H/M are both 8"W x 8"H (slightly larger) infeed. WC-68 has two driven rolls, the other two have one driven roll, if I remember what I read correctly. The pricing is all very similar on this frame size (8"), and if I had a hybrid of the Woodland Mills machine and the WoodMaxx machine, I'd be happier than a pig in slop. Right now I have my little 3" Briggs/Murray. But I also just bought a Kubota LX-2610-SU that needs something to do. I have plenty to feed a chipper and will have some very happy nightcrawlers to invite fishing with me when I'm done. I'm thinking slow feed rate, small chips, faster decay/mulching. Though listed as Made in Canada, they're all actually Chinese knockoffs of the Wallenstein. Hate to burst your bubble, but that's the way of it these days. The Wallenstein requires more PTO HP for their 8" model, and it's a monster to move. It also requires about 20% more cash for the purchase. Personally, I'm leaning toward a clamshell design for knife/cutter access. I don't care how good a chipper is, if you feed it the right material, you will choke it up. In my case, it's burch and elm. That stuff has some stringy bark.

Every owner of any brand that I've researched says their chipper is the best thing since sliced bread and handier than a shirt pocket. Some are built harder than woodpecker lips, some not so much. But even a cheap chipper can last quite a while and take a beating if you service it and keep it maintained. You're going to find something you don't like about any brand, and a lot of things you like about every brand. If you want it to cut, keep the knives at peak sharpness. For maintenance sake, I recommend a clam shell design simply because knife access is a lot easier. When you can see what you're doing, you're less likely to remove your fingers. If you start to see smoke coming out of the flywheel housing, even if ever so slightly, or smell something like burning wood when cutting fresh brush, it's time to flip the knives over. Just remember you did that, because next time, you'd do well to have a second set on hand to just swap while you send the first set to the sharpening service of choice. Some manufacturers will not sharpen knives from other products (probably avoiding liabilities more than not knowing how). There are a few sharpening services that will sharpen any knife from anything. Consumer beware. I sharpened my own knives for my little guy. Who cares if it's a polished edge if it cuts? You're making CHIPS. I have a small bench grinder with a fine grit wheel in it that won't overheat the knives. If you want a clean edge, then consider using a machine shop to mill the knives for you. Keep the bevel angle close to original, and Bob's your uncle. As massive as these things are, tiny weight differences are not going to matter much, but it's probably a smart idea to keep them as close as possible to the same weight. They don't turn super fast, and I doubt you'll ever see any more vibration than that from the PTO driveshaft. Some of the belt drive models step the 540 RPM up to something around 1100-1200. The faster machines will be more sensitive to smaller weight differences.

Thanks for the really good reviews and tips. Been there and done that on smaller chippers. Had a TroyBilt left there from the previous house owner in Baton Rouge. Had it from 1994 to 2004. Yeah, it would clog and was a royal beast to maintain, as the spacers between the hammers would distort and make removing the shafts a real chore to rotate the hammers to get a new edge. The Mac bought in 2004 was MUCH easier to maiintain. One could just push the shafts out with ones fingers to rotate the hammers on it. Chipper blade removal was through a little door vs. through bolting on the TroyBilt. Yeah, I dropped a screw or two and one chipper blade on the Mac. On it, one can take a panel loose to give enough clearance to get this stuff out. Sounds like all these machines need a removable window on the bottom of the flywheel big enough for the blades/knives to fall through.

I placed the order on the WoodlandMills WC46. The Mac was a 3 1/2 incher. This one is bigger. The Mac would do 2 inches and reasonably straight 3 inch stuff. Gotta have the horizontal inlet and self feeding for my wife to use it. She's taken over the chain sawing now with our going to battery ones that she can "start" because I cannot use powered ones due to an ICD. Now, with lower leg neurapathy, I'm less able to walk around much. Still can do some chipping if she pretty much brings things to me.

Our stuff is mainly red cedar and pine.

Ralph
 
 

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