Loader capacity

[Cedarthal]

With my Kioti CK25/30 and loader KL130, I want to help my neighbor unload a new car lift that weighs 1350 pounds. As long as I keep the load low to the ground, I’m hoping it will work out OK. The loader manual says lift capacity to full height at pivot points is 1155 pounds but breakout force at pivot pounds is 2046 pounds. My rear tires do have ballast.
Will I be OK lifting a 1350 pound load?

 

[ptsg]

I don't think you'll have any issues with lifting capacity, however, I'll say you'll most likely have some stability issues with the lack of rear ballast.

Hook your heaviest 3 pt attachment before you do that job. Filled tires is barely enough to compensate for the loader weight and some light loads on the loader.

 

[Thomas]

Does loader have relief valve?
Try it slowly and no wheel movement.

 

[Cedarthal]

Thank you,Thomas & PTSG. I have an auger on the 3pt hook up. I would guess it weighs at least 200 pounds maybe more.

I do not know about a relief valve. Where would I find it and how does it function?

What should I consider a maximum liftable weight given the weight capacity and breakout force capacities that I mentioned in my original post? Just for my future reference.

 

[Yander]

No, don't do it. Those are in large boxes that span. Especially if you are taking it off something higher than 3 feet. The higher you go the less lifting capacity.

If you do do it put your heavier implement on the back

 

[Coyote_CS2220]

Some words of wisdom from someone who has both a 10,000# fork lift and a small CS2220 with pallet forks and a max lift capacity of around 600lbs.

On solid ground the fork lift is more forgiving, but the 4WD CS can get into places the fork lift will just get stuck/bogged.

We lift lots of odd sized/weighted objects and each one is always different.

Don't be in a hurry! Think things thru.

1) If your lifting an odd size/weighted object off a trailer - find/figure out the center pivot point. If you are using a sling over a bucket make sure it is secure and won't slip. Pallet forks are always better than a bucket. Tie a long rope on one end of the object to be lifted and have a spotter hold the rope to stop sway and/or rotation.

2) When you think you have the sling correct to balance the odd load, test by lifting 1inch. Keep the engine rpm at ~2000. If it is not balanced, lower and adjust the sling points. Use welding clamps to ensure the sling points (and on the bucket) won't shift/slip. Once you have it balanced and 1 inch off the trailer, set the parking brake and gear to neutral...........and GENTLY move to get off the tractor seat and off the tractor. If your weight on the tractor seat is the only thing that keeps the load stable, rethink your tractor rear ballast. It needs to be stable without you in the seat.

3) Before you attempt to remove the load from the trailer. Have mental plan for your tractors movements to get the load to its destination. Make sure all obstacles have been cleared and resting blocks are pre-placed at the destination to set the load down on.

4) Move very slowly with front wheels straight to get the load off the trailer. As soon as it is safe gently lower the load closer to the ground. Keep it just high enough to not hit anything.

5) Move slowly and minimize turning. Moving slowly back and forward to turn slowly is better than cranking the steering wheel.

6) Arrange the unloading zone to be on level, even and firm ground. Putting a front wheel in a small pot hole when near the load limit can tip you and the load.

Think it thru, make sure it feels stable, move slowly with no sharp turns/movements.

Check air pressure in the tires (before is better ;-) ).

 

[ruffdog]

No, don't do it. Those are in large boxes that span. Especially if you are taking it off something higher than 3 feet. The higher you go the less lifting capacity.

If you do do it put your heavier implement on the back

It is rated for less weight at the pins and that doesn't even figure in the weight of the forks. Then you add the fact that the load is farther away from the lift cyl than the pins. The numbers are not good.

 

[4570Man]

I have my doubts that it works in one shot but you could get some slings and unload the pieces separately.

 

[TMGT]

I use to install lifts, and habe used some undersized tractors to unload.
You will be borderline on the lift but possibly doable. How high is the truck or trailer you'll be unloading from? How is the lift packaged?

What type of lift, 2 or 4 post?

If you do decide to try it, youll need more weight then the post hole auger on the back, maybe hang a few hundred extra pounds off the end of the boom if you dont have a heavier implement.

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[RandyT]

Just figure that your 1100 lift capacity with forks will drop to about 700-750 24 inches out on the forks. For a test, raise your forks up high enough to hang off the end of a fork. And then you and/or a buddy grab the end of one fork and hang from it.. I wouldn't be surprised that one back tire of the tractor doesn't come off the ground.

 

[ptsg]

Thank you,Thomas & PTSG. I have an auger on the 3pt hook up. I would guess it weighs at least 200 pounds maybe more.

I do not know about a relief valve. Where would I find it and how does it function?

What should I consider a maximum liftable weight given the weight capacity and breakout force capacities that I mentioned in my original post? Just for my future reference.

If that's your only 3 pt attachment, honestly, don't do it. It's just not enough. At least half of your loader capacity in the 3pt, so about 500 to 600 lbs back in the 3 pt. Ideally more than that.

 

[kennyd]

If that's your only 3 pt attachment, honestly, don't do it. It's just not enough.

This.

 

[RjCorazza]

I think with the load being further out from the pins, and adding in the pallet fork weight you are going to have problems.
If you plan on attempting the job, I would add more ballast weight on the 3 point, and be prepared to remove / transport the car lift piece meal.

 

[dodge man]

I don’t think it will do it. Maybe if it’s a lift gate setup and you just picked it up at ground level it might do it. I’m ignoring the fact you don’t have enough ballast. Look at getting a ballast box even if you don’t unload the lift.

 

[Torvy]

If that's your only 3 pt attachment, honestly, don't do it. It's just not enough. At least half of your loader capacity in the 3pt, so about 500 to 600 lbs back in the 3 pt. Ideally more than that.

^This. You want something heavy and, if possible, that goes back further. Rotary cutter, etc. I use my flail mower (about 1000 lbs). Think of your tractor as a lever and fulcrum. Further back is a bit like using a longer lever.

It will be close to the limits when you subtract the forks. Be careful if you try it.

 

[Mirage276]

These lifts come in a long banded assembly with the fork slot on one end, I think your going to be really iffy with the length at that weight. If they deliver it on a liftgate you can drag it out on to the liftgate, come down with one end while the driver lowers the liftgate with the other end, once it's on the ground you can come from the side and pick it up wide ways and all the weight will be close and low then you should be fine.

 

[D&D]

With my Kioti CK25/30 and loader KL130, I want to help my neighbor unload a new car lift that weighs 1350 pounds. As long as I keep the load low to the ground, I’m hoping it will work out OK. The loader manual says lift capacity to full height at pivot points is 1155 pounds but breakout force at pivot pounds is 2046 pounds. My rear tires do have ballast.
Will I be OK lifting a 1350 pound load?

Just unbox it and move the pieces

 

[grsthegreat]

These lifts come in a long banded assembly with the fork slot on one end, I think your going to be really iffy with the length at that weight. If they deliver it on a liftgate you can drag it out on to the liftgate, come down with one end while the driver lowers the liftgate with the other end, once it's on the ground you can come from the side and pick it up wide ways and all the weight will be close and low then you should be fine.

This is how i unloaded a 20’ long greenhouse for my neighbor. It was the length, not the weight, that i could not handle with the DK45 and i have a 1000# rear ballast box.

I really dont think thats enough tractor for that weight. Any other neighbor have a larger tractor handy?

 

[John_Mc]

You mention "As long as I keep the load low to the ground, I’m hoping it will work out OK."

It's not the LOAD being low that makes the difference, it's the LOADER. If you are using a sling and attaching to your loader from above, your loader is already lifted, and you have lost some of that capacity.

IF as others have mentioned, it's a long package, you will not lift the whole thing from the end. You'll only be able to support one end of it. If it comes on a flatbed truck, so you can get to it from the side, you MIGHT have a chance if you can lift from underneath the package, rather than with a sling. In that case, I'd shuffle the package as close to the edge as you can get it, then lift the load as far back on your forks as you can get it. Once the load is raised off the trailer bed, do not move the tractor: drive the trailer out from under it, then lower the package to the ground. Unpack and remove parts on the spot so you can move lighter pieces. If you HAVE to move the whole package with the tractor, keep the load as close to the ground as you can, move slowly, and make turns as gradually as you can.

 

[setterman11]

With my Kioti CK25/30 and loader KL130, I want to help my neighbor unload a new car lift that weighs 1350 pounds. As long as I keep the load low to the ground, I’m hoping it will work out OK. The loader manual says lift capacity to full height at pivot points is 1155 pounds but breakout force at pivot pounds is 2046 pounds. My rear tires do have ballast.
Will I be OK lifting a 1350 pound load?

I have a CK2610 and I regularly move 3x4x8 hay bales weighing 1250-1350 lbs. BUT and obviously that’s a big but, I have filled tires and a ballast box wit 600 lbs of tractor weights, then big rocks, then sand. Plus it’s on Pat quick connects which moves it farther back by a bit. Then all the other advice about level ground, very gentle turns if you have to turn, slowly, etc.