Load balancing

[Avpowerstn]

This combo of trailer and loader is way, way too heavy for your very nice truck. Can the truck pull it, Yes. Cans the truck stop it, yes. But can you stop it fast, nope. That load is too much. You need a new one ton dually or 450/4500 to move this. Your hitch is not rated for it.

New I bet is about 40-60K + (for a dually) How about a really old dump truck..?? although a dually is prefered.
Agreed on load weight...Looks like my F350 will "not" be pulling this tractor and trailer....last thing I want to do is hurt someone..myself included.

 

[bdog]

That is a 15 ton pintle hook. The hitch on your truck you posted a picture of is not up to the task. Kind of hard to tell but in the picture it looks like it is cracked to the left of the sticker. With the pintle hook you are using it in the weight carrying /ball mount mode which means it is rated for 5,000 gross trailer weight and 500 lbs tongue weight. It likely isn't rated high enough to haul that trailer empty.

You can find decent old dump trucks in the 10-20k range. If you don't need a dump truck you could find something like a international 4300 or 4700 probably in the 5-10k range that is a medium duty truck. Likely would not have a bed so you could either build a flatbed or whatever.

 

[bdog]

Something like this. TruckPaper.com | 23 INTERNATIONAL 43 For Sale

Not necessarily recommending that particular truck but something like this would pull it safely. You could remove the box and put a flatbed.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Hello Bdog I hope this helps (pic of pintle and hitch)<img src="http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=471686"/><img src="http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=471687"/> I am assuming its a 15 ton pintle hitch..?? I called Draw-tite they said they did not make a class V receiver hitch..?

That is not a class 5 hitch. It's confusing but V5 is the SAE standard stamp that towing components are marked with that are sold in North America.

It's a class 3 hitch or possibly a class 4.

Chris

 

[tcartwri]

500 lb tongue rating is class 3.

Not even rated for the empty trailer.

 

[bspeedy]

Just a comment to our OP from the AV. Thanks for having the right attitude here. All these guys just told you that your plan was terrible, and you took it as advice and thanked them for their wisdom. All of us could learn a lesson here. When the voices of experience speak up - LISTEN TO THEM. Good job to all.

 

[bcp]

V-5 has nothing to do with the tow rating or class. It means the hitch meets or exceeds the minimum standard for a hitch.

Here is a link to the standards. Click on the V-5 for a PDF download of hitch standards.

VESC Regulations

Bruce

 

[Avpowerstn]

Something like this. TruckPaper.com | 23 INTERNATIONAL 43 For Sale

Not necessarily recommending that particular truck but something like this would pull it safely. You could remove the box and put a flatbed.

Thank You Bdog I am looking into trucks...I will probably go with a dump truck, which will give me the ability to add another service, and meet my towing needs.
I went to my local tractor mechanic he said I would probably be better off "backing" my tractor on to my trailer to balance it, or he said I could have a "dump bar or dump rack ??" welded on to the front of my trailer
so I could pull a little further onto the trailer (without backing on to the trailer).

 

[Avpowerstn]

Thank You BCP I will double read it.

 

[Avpowerstn]

Thank You BSPEEDY I see it as "these guys are handing out gold (knowledge) and I am scrambling to get as many buckets as I can. When I am told something I retain about 40% of the conversation.
When it is written down in posts like this website...I retain 100% after I re-read it about 2-3 times (some even more).
These guys are the Pro's, I am the beginner...and knowledge is power.

 

[Avpowerstn]

Hello Diamond 3 or 4 either way it is not enough Thank you.

 

[Avpowerstn]

Classic example of buying more than one needs for the job. Now you need a dump truck or a used semi-tractor to pull the trailer with. Semi-tractors might be cheaper than a dump truck unless you need the dump truck for hauling material that you dig up with the backhoe.

Well said Gary...overkill it's like a disease. I think I found a truck to pull my trailer, and once again overkill steps in.


This is a 5 ton..I think I can get a Deuce and a half for cheaper, registered as "historical" with no CDL required.

Any input would be appreciated..Thank You

 

[LD1]

Well said Gary...overkill it's like a disease. I think I found a truck to pull my trailer, and once again overkill steps in.
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This is a 5 ton..I think I can get a Deuce and a half for cheaper, registered as "historical" with no CDL required.

Any input would be appreciated..Thank You

Look into the historical plates in your state. There is usually wording that dont allow you to drive it like a normal vehicle.

In ohio it says something to the effect that they are only to be used to participate in special events, parades, club functions, exhibitions, etc. (I would assume it would include travel to and from as well). But NOT to be used for general transportation.

I think you would have issues towing a trailer and tractor with something tagged as historical.

 

[Gary Fowler]

I have only seen one response to your photo of the hitch on your truck that seems to be cracked on the left side. I would for sure look into that crack/break before using that to pull even a small boat trailer. It appears from the photo that the bottom plate has failed completely and the square tubing is also broken. I would weld the whole thing up with a full penetration weld prior to using it again.

 

[GLyford]

I don't see a break, I see an L-bracket welded at the top and bottom of the tube, but not across the face where it would introduce a stress riser, and some rust at the gap where the bracket overlaps the tube...?

 

[Avpowerstn]

Look into the historical plates in your state. There is usually wording that dont allow you to drive it like a normal vehicle.

In ohio it says something to the effect that they are only to be used to participate in special events, parades, club functions, exhibitions, etc. (I would assume it would include travel to and from as well). But NOT to be used for general transportation.

I think you would have issues towing a trailer and tractor with something tagged as historical.

Hello LD1 I was looking at a 5 ton and the owner said he uses it to tow his race car..he loads the car unto his trailer, then uses the ramps to load his car from the trailer to the M923 bed.

There is a website called steel soldiers that seems to have quite a bit of info..with the bad economy the prices are quite low on these types of vehicle's.

I have 2.5 acres 25 miles away from my property, and plan to use it to tow my 545A w/1979 Miller tilt bed for my own personal use, I will make sure this meets all the requirements.

From what I am reading "no" CDL required. Just had a friend sell his F-650 because his insurance company would not give him a "non-commercial" policy.

And I do believe the DMV wanted a $2600 weight fee

If I have learned anything in life, it is to always be patient....Lord knows how many times I have had to do a "do over".

Thank you for the info and the heads up.

 

[Avpowerstn]

I have only seen one response to your photo of the hitch on your truck that seems to be cracked on the left side. I would for sure look into that crack/break before using that to pull even a small boat trailer. It appears from the photo that the bottom plate has failed completely and the square tubing is also broken. I would weld the whole thing up with a full penetration weld prior to using it again.

Hello Gary It will put that on my desk at the top...I may send another photo, If I remember I do believe it was just a scratch, or paint flake..But I will "definitely" look into this ..You guys rock !!

 

[Avpowerstn]

Hello GL

I will hold off towing "anything" until I inspect, and also send photos. Thanks for the heads up

 

[Avpowerstn]

I have only seen one response to your photo of the hitch on your truck that seems to be cracked on the left side. I would for sure look into that crack/break before using that to pull even a small boat trailer. It appears from the photo that the bottom plate has failed completely and the square tubing is also broken. I would weld the whole thing up with a full penetration weld prior to using it again.

Hello Gary I quadruple checked, wet my finger and the illusion disappeared. No cracks..thanks for the heads up though.

 

[RedNeckRacin]

Commercial plates and insurance are not nearly as expensive as the "experts" make it out to be. I'm currently plated at 33k GCWR and its around $600 for registration and $850 a year for insurance. Class A CDL was not a big deal either, $69 for the medical card, some dollars for the written exam, and $450 for the driving test. Renewing you license is a little more and I have to renew my medical card every two years but big deal. Best part is I don't worry about the silly 26k number or air brakes anymore.