Comparison LA844 Specs

[SmokemanGRP]

I'd like to compare the L3800 FEL (LA524) side by side with the MX4700 FEL (LA844) but I can't find the specs for the LA844. A search for LA844 on the Kubota website says no documents found and the specs shown on the products page only displays the tractor specs and the FEL brochure. The products page for the L3800 displays two pages, one for the tractor specs and one for the FEL specs. Does anyone know where I can find these specs?

Thanks

 

[bigbull338]

go get you a mx5100 hst brochure.an itll have the la844 specs in it.but i think i can give you rough specs off top of my head.the loader weighs 1000 to 1100lbs.an itll lift 2500 or 2700lbs.

 

[Grandad4]

I think the LA844 is pretty much the same loader as the LA854 on the Grand L Kubotas. The LA854 specs on the Kubota website should be close, if not exactly the same. Maybe one of the Kub techs or dealers posting here can verify or correct me if necessary.

The "8" series loaders are much stronger... they have almost double the capacity of the the "5"'s.

Also, I think the 1000-1100 lb weight mentioned by bigbull does not include the bucket... add another 400 lbs or so for that.

 

[Degolyerent]

I have a MX4700 with 844 loader what specs do you need to know?

 

[JJZ 109]

Lift capacity 2443 lbs. at pivot pin.
Lift height 110.7 inches.
You'll have to specify if you're looking for any other particular specs.

 

[SmokemanGRP]

I have a MX4700 with 844 loader what specs do you need to know?

As a newbie I don't (yet) understand all of the specs listed on the LA524 sheet but the ones I think are important are:
maximum lift height @ pin (110.7)
maximum roll back angle
digging depth
lift capacity (LA524 has pin/max height, 500mm forward/max height, pin/1500mm height, 500mm forward/1500mm height)

I don't know if breakout force or roll back force are important and the time required to raise, lower, dump and roll back are not important to me.

Thanks

 

[bigbull338]

the break away force is the amount of weight it takes to break the bucket or forks away from the loader arms.

 

[Grandad4]

As a newbie I don't (yet) understand all of the specs listed on the LA524 sheet but the ones I think are important are:
maximum lift height @ pin (110.7)
maximum roll back angle
digging depth
lift capacity (LA524 has pin/max height, 500mm forward/max height, pin/1500mm height, 500mm forward/1500mm height)

I don't know if breakout force or roll back force are important and the time required to raise, lower, dump and roll back are not important to me.

Thanks

Smokeman, I don't know if this would be helpful, but here are some of my thoughts... use or ignore as you see fit.

Lifting power (how much will the darn thing pick up) is probably the most important benchmark, but even that doesn't always give the full picture. Some of the early hydraulic loaders on Ford tractors of the 1950's and '60's, for example, could lift great amounts, but the front axles of the tractors they were mounted on weren't quite so strong. So having a well-integrated package means a lot.

You need to know how high it will lift so you can determine its suitability for loading a dump truck, for example.

Breakout force tells you how strong is the "curl" function. That's important for digging, because when you drive the bucket into a pile of dirt, or under a stump, or into the ground, you need to break it loose with the curl before you can lift it.

The cycling times tell you how quick or jerky the movements will be. Larger equipment tends to be a bit slower, since it takes more fluid to fill the larger cylinders, but that's also a function of how much hydraulic pumping capacity you have.

The digging depth tells you something about digging into level ground.

But, when you've studied the specs until you're cross-eyed, you still need to actually try out the different units to get a sense of what works best for you. A person would be silly to get a tractor they don't like very much just because it had a loader that had 5% better specs.

My question to you is why are you benchmarking two such very different loaders (LA844 vs LA524) in the first place? Both the FEL's and the tractors they go on are very different. If it's just because of similarity in price, I think you need to define your functional needs more precisely. But that's just free advice. Whatever you do, I also wish you all the best success.

 

[SmokemanGRP]

My question to you is why are you benchmarking two such very different loaders (LA844 vs LA524) in the first place? Both the FEL's and the tractors they go on are very different. If it's just because of similarity in price, I think you need to define your functional needs more precisely. But that's just free advice. Whatever you do, I also wish you all the best success.

Thanks for taking the time to explain the different FEL specs. That saved me a ton of time reading thru numerous posts trying to figure it out on my own. I appreciate it.

To answer your question above, the last time I was serious about purchasing a tractor, almost 3 years ago, while visiting my home town I met with a dealer (who I trust would give me good advise) and he recommended a B7800 as the smallest for my needs or the L series; "no bigger than an L4400". I spent an hour driving a B7800 and an L3400 around his lot and liked both of them. On the drive home I stopped at another dealer and sat (did not drive) on a M (don't remember the exact model) and liked the larger frame. Then the econony took the dump and I eventually bought a (very) used JD 2630 (58HP) which leaks fluid like a sieve, performs properly only when it feels like it and has a misaligned (bent) FEL. The 2630 is too big for my needs.

Now I've decided to treat myself to a brand new rig so I'm catching up on what's new over the past 3 years. A week ago I started a thread titled "Seeking Advice On Which Model To Buy". The consensus of those who replied ranges from the L3800 thru MX5100. You commented in that thread "if it were me, I'd favor the larger size machines, either the L4400 or the MX".

That brings me to today; if I decide on the smaller end I'll get an L3800HST, on the larger end I'll get an MX4700HST (which pushes the high end of my budget); both new product lines. In-between is the time proven L4400 but I'm leaning toward the new product lines.

I still need to get by a dealer but everyday when the sun comes up my priority is building our house so I'm doing my research online in the early mornings. When I finally do go to a dealer I want to be as prepared and educated as I can be to make the trip as productive as possible.

If I understand it correctly, with the elimination of the L4400 next fall there won't be anything between the L3800 and MX4700.

Thanks for listening,
Greg

 

[bigbull338]

i think you need to step up to the MX4700.

 

[kuboman]

I'd like to compare the L3800 FEL (LA524) side by side with the MX4700 FEL (LA844) but I can't find the specs for the LA844. A search for LA844 on the Kubota website says no documents found and the specs shown on the products page only displays the tractor specs and the FEL brochure. The products page for the L3800 displays two pages, one for the tractor specs and one for the FEL specs. Does anyone know where I can find these specs?

Thanks

If you go to Kubota.ca and click on the products tab and then on implements that will take you to their implements page and then go to loaders. They have the specs for all the loaders there. They don't have the 844 but they do have the LA854 which will be very similar.

 

[NCRetiree]

I know I am somewhat jaded in this advise because of my decision, but I will share for your consideration.

I visited with a friend who had a Kubota MX5000 with FEL last summer. He told me that on the advice of his dealer, he should spend his money on HP and capacity rather than geewiz stuff like tilt steering and fancy dash.

It will payoff for you when you want to do something (at some point in the future) that uses all your tractors capacity. You will think to yourself, man I'm sure glad I didn't get the smaller tractor with the fancy stuff on it.

With my friends advice, I went with the MX5100DT with FEL and filled AG tires. I have not regretted it.

 

[LD1]

Most of the Grand L's will fall inbetween the 3800 and 4700. So that gives kubota many tractors inbetween.

Their is a lot more to it than just HP. The L3240 is a larger framed tractor than the L3800 and also has the 724 loader, which is also stronger.

 

[Johnbro]

The GrandLs from 4240 up through L5740 all have the LA854 FEL, which is comparable to the 844 loader. The GrandLs have a lot of bells and whistles, I personally think they are really worth it. For example, only on the GL series can you get the high/low switch for the HST. I use this a LOT when working with my loader. The fancy dash is irrelevant IMO. The improved 3pt arms and swivel seat are other upgrades that have been appreciated by me.

All that said, you're talking about a big range in tractors. Having moved from a smaller (L2250) to a bigger (L4240) tractor while I really like the extra power I often miss the greater maneuverability of the smaller frame. Anything bigger than the frame I have now would be a real problem for me. You should think about the SIZE of the unit you need as well.

 

[Grandad4]

Thanks for taking the time to explain the different FEL specs. That saved me a ton of time reading thru numerous posts trying to figure it out on my own. I appreciate it.

To answer your question above, the last time I was serious about purchasing a tractor, almost 3 years ago, while visiting my home town I met with a dealer (who I trust would give me good advise) and he recommended a B7800 as the smallest for my needs or the L series; "no bigger than an L4400". I spent an hour driving a B7800 and an L3400 around his lot and liked both of them. On the drive home I stopped at another dealer and sat (did not drive) on a M (don't remember the exact model) and liked the larger frame. Then the econony took the dump and I eventually bought a (very) used JD 2630 (58HP) which leaks fluid like a sieve, performs properly only when it feels like it and has a misaligned (bent) FEL. The 2630 is too big for my needs.

Now I've decided to treat myself to a brand new rig so I'm catching up on what's new over the past 3 years. A week ago I started a thread titled "Seeking Advice On Which Model To Buy". The consensus of those who replied ranges from the L3800 thru MX5100. You commented in that thread "if it were me, I'd favor the larger size machines, either the L4400 or the MX".

That brings me to today; if I decide on the smaller end I'll get an L3800HST, on the larger end I'll get an MX4700HST (which pushes the high end of my budget); both new product lines. In-between is the time proven L4400 but I'm leaning toward the new product lines.

I still need to get by a dealer but everyday when the sun comes up my priority is building our house so I'm doing my research online in the early mornings. When I finally do go to a dealer I want to be as prepared and educated as I can be to make the trip as productive as possible.

If I understand it correctly, with the elimination of the L4400 next fall there won't be anything between the L3800 and MX4700.

Thanks for listening,
Greg

You probably get more tractor for your dollar with a larger model, but you lose some of the advantages in maneuverability, economy, ease of operation, etc., associated with the smaller models. People usually say the small tractors are capable of doing most of the work of the big ones; they just take longer. So you're really going to have to decide what's the best size for you, and you'll need some seat time to do it. Was just at the Southern Farm Show in Raleigh, NC, where the Kubota display had an MX4700 and an L3200 (no L3800, though). Really striking the difference in size... you just have to see it to appreciate it.

 

[crazyal]

Is the MX4700 that much smaller than the 2630? If not then and you think the 2630 is too big for your needs then I would take a look at the Grand L's. They are more money but there's a nice wide range of HPs and they are a beefier tractor than the L3800.

A 3540 or 3940 wouldn't have as much lifting capacity or height (but close) but would be about the same price range as the MX. If you're going to treat yourself to a new tractor you really should find out all the options.

I find that the H-DS function is almost a requirement for doing most any job with changing conditions. For example digging dirt from a pile. Without it you need to stop, shift into L, then proceed loading the bucket only to shift back into M to drive. The other options would be to just stay in L and make the job take much longer or stay in M and not get the force needed to fill the bucket. With H-DS you can shift into low without lifting off the pedal or you can simply put it in auto and it'll shift for you.

I use it all the time while snow blowing. When going up some of the steeper hills the tractor just downshifts on the fly if the M is just too high of a gear. When on the flat sections or going down it shifts back. After only 20 hours I don't even notice it now. If I had to use a tractor without it I would be clumsy.

Secondly the auto throttle turns the HST pedal into not just tractor speed (where you must use the hand throttle to pick an RPM) but also controls the engine speed. It comes set a little high from the factory but is very simple to adjust to your taste.

Spend a little time on Kubota's Grand L web page reading up on the HST+ and then see it in person. For the money you thinking of spending why not decide for yourself or at least come back and ask more questions about it.

 

[Grandad4]

Is the MX4700 that much smaller than the 2630?

I'm sorry if I wasn't very clear. :confused2: The MX4700 is the larger tractor. It's generally about the same size as the larger Grand L's, but it's an agricultural model in the 45-50 hp range. :thumbsup:

 

[crazyal]

I'm sorry if I wasn't very clear. :confused2: The MX4700 is the larger tractor. It's generally about the same size as the larger Grand L's, but it's an agricultural model in the 45-50 hp range. :thumbsup:

The only reason I ask is that SmokemanGRP had said the 2630 was too big. I'm assuming size more than HP.

 

[SmokemanGRP]

Thanks for all of your inputs on this. I must admit that I did not look at the Grand L's much due to the additional price AND my assumption (bad idea) that a similar HP in a Grand would be a similar size frame to a L3800. I now see that for example the L3540 is beefier but still in the L3800 HP range and is less expansive than the MX4700.

I'll take a closer look at the Grand's online then try to get over to my dealer so I can "kick some tires".

And yes, the Deere 2630 at 5,800 pounds without attachments and 70 PTO HP is way more tractor than I need in size, weight and HP.

Thanks again,
Greg

 

[bp fick]

It might be helpful to new Kubota shoppers, like myself a few years back, if we reminded folks that the "number" on a Kubota loader has meaning. If it were in pounds, (English) we'd all understand right away, but because it is in kilograms, the rest of the world's unit of measurement, it doesn't "click" with us.

To get a quick idea, just double it, in your head, and add 10% more and you'll be close enough for hand grenades and horseshoes.

2.2 times kilograms will give you pounds. Thus,
an LA243 loader = 535 lbs.
an LA524 loader = 1153 lbs.
an LA854 loader = 1879 lbs. and so forth.

Wish someone had hit me over the head with that obvious 2x4 when I was shopping, early on. Just rough rule of thumb, but it'd been helpful.