L6060 3rd Function Hose Guard

[oosik]

Hilbilly - there is a DEFINITE difference between the routing on my 2009 M6040 and your 2019 L6060. My hydraulic lines come out on the side of the transmission case - and are routed UP and on the inner side of the FEL rear post. There is still the shield - like you built. But nothing hangs down quite like the shield as shown in your one picture. Mine is a WR Long third function and was installed by my local Kubota dealer.

I'll get some pics and post here a bit later. This is not an easy place to get a GOOD photo.

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[Hilbilly]

Hilbilly - there is a DEFINITE difference between the routing on my 2009 M6040 and your 2019 L6060. My hydraulic lines come out on the side of the transmission case - and are routed UP and on the inner side of the FEL rear post. There is still the shield - like you built. But nothing hangs down quite like the shield as shown in your one picture. Mine is a WR Long third function and was installed by my local Kubota dealer.

I'll get some pics and post here a bit later. This is not an easy place to get a GOOD photo.

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That's definitely a better setup than what I have.

 

[oosik]

You know, life just isn't fair. My setup MIGHT be a little bit better than yours. I will NEVER know. My 80 acres is bunch grass, two lakes and ancient Ponderosa pines. I have found absolutely NOTHING in the 38+ years here that could catch up on anything under either of my two tractors. If the bunch grass would ever get tall enough - it could wipe some of the mud off the underside of my tractor. The bunch grass actually DOES wipe the underside of my ATP clean as I boom around the property.

 

[Hilbilly]

My situation is a little different. I live on 132 acres and it is mostly treed with a few open areas. I'm in the process of making an FEL mounted brush mower so I can trim the tree branches that grow over our fence line and encroach on our trails. That process will drop a lot of branches (some over 2" diameter) onto the ground and I will be driving over them. I just know there would be problems if I didn't make the protective shield and even with that there is a chance a branch could get into the end of the shield and cause some grief. But the shield should reduce the chances. The better solution would be to reroute the lines.

 

[mljenkins]

Ok, after my tractor being at the dealer for a little over a month, I finally got it back and mostly fixed. I can't say the same for the backhoe, but let's get back to the third function...

They put 45 ells on there and created a guard. It actually looks pretty good. So here are some pics.

Edit: If you see anything of concern here, please say something! It looks good to me, but they did other things I thought was a good idea and they were not.

 

[SDT]

Ok, after my tractor being at the dealer for a little over a month, I finally got it back and mostly fixed. I can't say the same for the backhoe, but let's get back to the third function...

They put 45 ells on there and created a guard. It actually looks pretty good. So here are some pics.

Edit: If you see anything of concern here, please say something! It looks good to me, but they did other things I thought was a good idea and they were not.

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I like it.

SDT

 

[foggy1111]

Kubota and the dealers know what the issues are with these hoses. I find it shameful that they sell stuff like this to people. I told my dealer I would not take delivery unless they put a plate on as shown here on an earlier post. They did and I have not had an issue.

I stated the above on the "orange tractor forum" and one of the mod's took issue with me over it. Said it was not meant to be a forestry machine....yadda yadda. Things went downhill from there..... Not sure how some mis-guided folks can defend this situation.....but there are fan-boy's out there.

Much of what Kubota does, is done well....but there are these glaring exceptions. Some seem so easy to fix....not sure why they do this. Just like not offering a decent grille guard.....duh??? Why would you NOT sell folks a better protection for such a vulnerable area??? LOTS of us are using grapples and handling brush. MANY of us would pay a fair price for a decent grille guard. Not that it is hard to make.....but many of us do not have those skills, time or desire to do so.

OK....rant over. .

 

[SDT]

Kubota and the dealers know what the issues are with these hoses. I find it shameful that they sell stuff like this to people. I told my dealer I would not take delivery unless they put a plate on as shown here on an earlier post. They did and I have not had an issue.

I stated the above on the "orange tractor forum" and one of the mod's took issue with me over it. Said it was not meant to be a forestry machine....yadda yadda. Things went downhill from there..... Not sure how some mis-guided folks can defend this situation.....but there are fan-boy's out there.

Much of what Kubota does, is done well....but there are these glaring exceptions. Some seem so easy to fix....not sure why they do this. Just like not offering a decent grille guard.....duh??? Why would you NOT sell folks a better protection for such a vulnerable area??? LOTS of us are using grapples and handling brush. MANY of us would pay a fair price for a decent grille guard. Not that it is hard to make.....but many of us do not have those skills, time or desire to do so.

OK....rant over. .

That's one of the nice things about a free market.

One can always buy elsewhere.

SDT

 

[buck12]

Kubota and the dealers know what the issues are with these hoses. I find it shameful that they sell stuff like this to people. I told my dealer I would not take delivery unless they put a plate on as shown here on an earlier post. They did and I have not had an issue.

I stated the above on the "orange tractor forum" and one of the mod's took issue with me over it. Said it was not meant to be a forestry machine....yadda yadda. Things went downhill from there..... Not sure how some mis-guided folks can defend this situation.....but there are fan-boy's out there.

Much of what Kubota does, is done well....but there are these glaring exceptions. Some seem so easy to fix....not sure why they do this. Just like not offering a decent grille guard.....duh??? Why would you NOT sell folks a better protection for such a vulnerable area??? LOTS of us are using grapples and handling brush. MANY of us would pay a fair price for a decent grille guard. Not that it is hard to make.....but many of us do not have those skills, time or desire to do so.

OK....rant over. .

I agree but I liked the Grand L well enough that I decided to buy anyway. I am having a skid plate made. I will post photos when it is complete.

 

[Hilbilly]

I also agree and don't understand why this simple fix has not been implemented. Kubota has spent the time and effort to make sure the whole undercarriage piping and plumbing is well protected. Everything is tucked up into the framework or has some sort of protective plate. I could understand if this 3rd function was an aftermarket kit but it is an OEM kit and not cheap at that.

Here is a copy of the pic I sent to my dealer about my suggested change to the plumbing.


This change wouldn't cost anything and produce a much better installation.

Besides this and the hokey 3PTH stop lever, everything else I've experienced, so far, with this tractor says "Premium Quality" to me.

 

[mljenkins]

I also agree and don't understand why this simple fix has not been implemented. Kubota has spent the time and effort to make sure the whole undercarriage piping and plumbing is well protected. Everything is tucked up into the framework or has some sort of protective plate. I could understand if this 3rd function was an aftermarket kit but it is an OEM kit and not cheap at that.

Here is a copy of the pic I sent to my dealer about my suggested change to the plumbing.
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This change wouldn't cost anything and produce a much better installation.

Besides this and the hokey 3PTH stop lever, everything else I've experienced, so far, with this tractor says "Premium Quality" to me.

I was thinking last night I don't even know why they put the valve block where it is. They should just manufacture the tractor with the valve block in the rear with the rest of the valves so they don't have to put it in a weird spot. But rather than running those two hoses to the back to tap into the hydraulic circuit, why didn't they just come off the front hydraulic block with the hydraulics? I assume because it would have been even more of a nightmare to install for the dealer. But it's crazy to flow the fluid to the back, then back to the front, and to the back again. /smh

 

[Smokeydog]

Good improvements gentlemen. Hopefully Kubota will take note and make improvements and optional equipment.

Wish better ground defense options were available ie...skid plates, grill guards, light guards etc. Good opportunity for aftermarket entrepreneurs.

 

[foggy1111]

Good improvements gentlemen. Hopefully Kubota will take note and make improvements and optional equipment.

Wish better ground defense options were available ie...skid plates, grill guards, light guards etc. Good opportunity for aftermarket entrepreneurs.

AGREED!

 

[Fallon]

I also agree and don't understand why this simple fix has not been implemented. Kubota has spent the time and effort to make sure the whole undercarriage piping and plumbing is well protected. Everything is tucked up into the framework or has some sort of protective plate. I could understand if this 3rd function was an aftermarket kit but it is an OEM kit and not cheap at that.

Here is a copy of the pic I sent to my dealer about my suggested change to the plumbing.
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This change wouldn't cost anything and produce a much better installation.

Besides this and the hokey 3PTH stop lever, everything else I've experienced, so far, with this tractor says "Premium Quality" to me.

The precision & leakdown on the rear valves is worse than the 3rd function protection. They have put 5ish valves on mine and only 1 of the 3 doesnt leakdown horribly. They are picking it up for the next try at decent valves.

And my front windshield washer lines keep boiling.

 

[foggy1111]

^ My dealer would have me paying for any service hauling like that. They put a bad valve on one of my rear remotes and said I was responsible for bringing in and back for warranty replacements. They should have checked it first....as it did not work at all.....but alas. I do have a trailer....but it does take time and money to do what they should have done right the first time. I'm told they now made a cylinder to perform checks before sending stuff out the door. My salesman told me they were going to add the protection plate (I showed them) which they fabb'ed up for my tractor....to all the Grand L's.... So....there is that.

I do really like this tractor and love the cab. There are a few shortcomings (like every brand) but a few of these seem so obvious.....and so easy to correct and make a far better product. I suppose that is why the aftermarket exists.

 

[Hilbilly]

I haven't tried the rear remotes yet. Guess I better find something to use them with, to see if I have the same issues. What are you guys using that shows the valve is leaking down? I don't have a hydraulic top link yet and not sure I can find one that will work. The manual top link on my tractor is extended almost all the way out for the implements I use and the local hydraulic store only carries 3 hyd top links and the longest would also be almost/or completely extended.

 

[Fallon]

^ My dealer would have me paying for any service hauling like that. They put a bad valve on one of my rear remotes and said I was responsible for bringing in and back for warranty replacements. They should have checked it first....as it did not work at all.....but alas. I do have a trailer....but it does take time and money to do what they should have done right the first time. I'm told they now made a cylinder to perform checks before sending stuff out the door. My salesman told me they were going to add the protection plate (I showed them) which they fabb'ed up for my tractor....to all the Grand L's.... So....there is that.

I do really like this tractor and love the cab. There are a few shortcomings (like every brand) but a few of these seem so obvious.....and so easy to correct and make a far better product. I suppose that is why the aftermarket exists.

I haul the machine for my side gigs so it's not that big a deal as I have the trailer & truck. The dealer said they'd pick it up on their dime after I got pretty grumpy about not fixing the crap rear spools the last time I hauled it in. I've been busy enough & can deal with the tilt cylinder leaking down I havent called them up to come pick it up.

 

[Fallon]

I haven't tried the rear remotes yet. Guess I better find something to use them with, to see if I have the same issues. What are you guys using that shows the valve is leaking down? I don't have a hydraulic top link yet and not sure I can find one that will work. The manual top link on my tractor is extended almost all the way out for the implements I use and the local hydraulic store only carries 3 hyd top links and the longest would also be almost/or completely extended.

About 45 minutes to go from level to touching the ground. Half stroke on a 9"? tilt cylinder. It's done this with multiple cylinders & stays with the spool when I swap top & tilt hoses. The top cylinder (valve) use to do it, but we finally got a non-crap one there. I stuck a clock on there to show how fast it leaks down. Its not just the big flail either, my box blade does the same. **** just the 40lbs? Quick Hitch will pull it crooked over night.

The issue doesnt affect side shift on the flail & only kind of affects the 3pt trencher. I doubt it would affect hydraulic angle on a back blade. But any cylinder that is under constant pressure due to gravity or whatever gets pretty affected by those crap valves. It blows my mind Kubota puts those on their premium machines. The loader & 3pt on my Grand & old economy L3200 stayed put for weeks if you left them up, so they can make proper precision valves.

 

[Hilbilly]

Do those remotes leak down like that when the tractor is running?

I just checked my tractor and the current setting for the top link is 32" pin to pin. The longest hyd top link I can get locally is 31 1/2" fully extended. I checked Agri Supply and the same thing there. Something is goofy here. Is it just Kubotas that have excessively long 3PTH set ups that require something unique for top links. This doesn't seem to be the norm.

 

[Fallon]

Do those remotes leak down like that when the tractor is running?

I just checked my tractor and the current setting for the top link is 32" pin to pin. The longest hyd top link I can get locally is 31 1/2" fully extended. I checked Agri Supply and the same thing there. Something is goofy here. Is it just Kubotas that have excessively long 3PTH set ups that require something unique for top links. This doesn't seem to be the norm.

Running or not it leaks down all the same. Unsuprisingly it leaks down faster when hot. I think it may leak down faster when bouncing down the road than sitting still, but not massively.

The several TnT sets my dealer got were total crap. 2 or 3 cat 1, 1 cat 2. None fit close to well, most oozed or sprayed hydraulic fluid everywhere. FitRite wasnt cheap or fast, but worth the cost & the wait. Fit perfectly. My 2nd set from FitRite, first set went off with the old tractor. I'll just go with FitRite & wait if I ever need another set in the future.