L2501 vs LX2610

[TMGT]

It depends on what you mean by skirt. Taking a L3200 & debating it from 32hp to 25hp & calling it a L2501 to comply with tier 4 emissions is entirely legal. It was done entirely legally & with the entire purpose of coming in under the HP limits thar require all the extra emissions equipment. So if you mean come close to or work around a restriction by skirt, it does just that.

I don't really think the 2501 is just a derated 3200.
The 2501 and 3200 use completely different engines, the 2501 is a direct injected D1703, the 3200 used a indirect injected D1503.
A majority of the HP difference is that the 2501 has a rated engine speed of 2200rpm and the 3200 had a rated speed of 2800rpm

Its pretty common to change engine output via rpm and timing/fuel to meet certain applications, which is what Kubota did here.

 

[RickB]

It was done entirely legally & with the entire purpose of coming in under the HP limits thar require all the extra emissions equipment.

There are no specific emissions equipment requirements based on horsepower levels or any other criteria. Manufacturers are free to meet all the various emission category targets by any means available. Horsepower level X does not require a DPF and an engine of Y horsepower is not mandated to utilize SCR.

When you drive 1 MPH below the speed limit are you skirting a speeding ticket or driving lawfully?

 

[Username Taken]

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What jeff has "heard" is irrelevant.

It's like certain 'journalists' that make hay out of information from 'reliable sources'. It's just gossip. Like what you get from old ladies arguing back and forth about the best biscuit recipe while drinking tea.

In fact, the old ladies' gossip is probably more reliable.

 

[greginfinity]

Well I bought an L2501. And it didn't come with a copy of the National Enquirer so I can't read the minds of the Kubota engineers (well probably the bean counters making the real decisions). Real happy with the purchase so far, glad I went for the larger tractor. Thanks for all the help!

 

[diesel466]

I think you will be happy with the L2501, I own one and its been a great tractor for me but I am trading it in for a LX2610. I want a mmm and something lighter to mow with.

 

[Forky]

For anyone about to purchase a real tractor, the L2501 is the perfect size up above the garden tractor size. It's large enough to do real work in the woods and on the fields. I'm totally happy with my tractor and would buy it again like I did the first time.

 

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

When considering a tractor purchase bare tractor weight first, tractor horsepower second, rear axle width third, rear wheel/tire ballast fourth.



When considering a tractor purchase bare tractor weight first

• LX = 1,860
• L2501 = 2,623

Sufficient tractor weight is more important for most tractor applications than increased tractor horsepower.


tractor horsepower second

• LX2610 = 24.8/ 77 cubic inch engine
• L2501 = 24.8/100 cubic inch engine

rear axle width third
(minimum tread width with R1/ag tires)

• LX = 53.7"
• L2501 = 55.1"

rear wheel/tire ballast fourth

• YES for LX
• MAYBE for L2501

Jeff I know you are the wise sage of this forum but I have to challenge your formula on this one just a little. In most cases you are probably right. However, in my case this flow chart didn't apply to me. I am purchasing a tractor to cut grass and on my property weight was never an issue. Also weight can be mitigated with the correct set of tires if too much weight is an issue. What was the most important consideration for me was what the horsepower requirements were for the flail mower that I want to put on the back of the tractor. What I had to personally figure out is the implement is what drove the rest of the buying decisions for the power unit (tractor).

 

[Williy]

Test drive the Yanmar tractors if you can find one.

willy

 

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

Test drive the Yanmar tractors if you can find one.

willy

Why? How do you think they differ from Deere or Kubota?

 

[Williy]

I have the YT235C Yanmar TLB and I am very very comfortable
operating this machine. The controls are at your finger tips
very easy to operate. You test drive the Deeres and Kubotas
and then the Yanmars I don't need to tell you as you can find
out for yourself! And don't forget to test every tractor you can
its the only way you can find one the suits you and your needs!

willy

 

[Fallon]

Why? How do you think they differ from Deere or Kubota?

Yanmar makes the engines for most smaller Deeres & makes or at least made some of the CUT & smaller Deeres. It's pretty clear they are easily capable of making machines equal in engineering & quality to a Deere. You could debate the avalibility of a dealer & service network though.

I consider Kubota & Deere to be equal in quality & engineering in general. It comes down to features & ergonomics on individual models. Lots of ergonomic stuff varies from person to person, so you can make any blanket statements between OEMs or models on how a given tractor will feel to you.

HST pedals are a prime example. I prefer the Kubota treadle (because that's what I'm familiar with mostly). Others are super opinionated that the JD 2 separate pedal design is superior. Both options are equally valid for most, but some have strong opinions one way or another due to taste or ergonomic reasons.

 

[Paystar]

Yanmar makes good engines too, but no denying the fact that Kubota makes everything on their tractors. Engines and transmissions. And Kubota was the very first diesel engine manufacturer to meet the EPA requirements when all this emissions stuff started. I read that in an article about the history of Kubota.

 

[Smf834]

If you can find a used l2501, about 2-5 yrs old with less than 300 hrs on the clock, what is the range of fair price? I looked at tractorhouse, and they have from 23k to 34k!!

 

[RickB]

If you can find a used l2501, about 2-5 yrs old with less than 300 hrs on the clock, what is the range of fair price? I looked at tractorhouse, and they have from 23k to 34k!!

There is one listed right here that seams reasonable.

Kubota L2501 HST northern WV

Kubota L2501, less than 3 years old, excellent cond., 124 hours. LA525 loader with 66" quick attach bucket, 3rd function to front. 2" wheel spacers, telescoping stabilizers, bucket rod indicator kit, right grab handle, R4 tires. $18,800

www.tractorbynet.com

 

[3 Horse Ranch]

I opted for the L2501 over the L3301 based on simplicity. The L2501 has no computer and no diesel particulate filter. It is probably as simple as a tractor gets today.

However, in the interest of full disclosure, the simple L2501, designed to skirt Tier IV emissions requirements, (legally) spews a lot of diesel particulates. According to those more knowledgeable than I on emissions, the L3301 with a Tier IV diesel particulate filter/incinerator spews less than 1% of the pollution load of an L2501 with a traditional, low-tech muffler.

Exactly what Kubota did. The same engine displacement engine produced 28+ horsepower in previous editions. What Kubota did wasn't illegal or unethical, it was simply taking advantage of the regulations to produce a good tractor with a basically proven engine. Having said that, you are also correct in saying that it is a comparatively dirty engine. Engines with using DEF or with DPF filters expel far fewer particulates into the atmosphere. Put a white handkerchief over the exhaust of a tier IV non DEF of DPF engine and then of similar size with the the added technologies and let me know your results.

 

[Fallon]

Exactly what Kubota did. The same engine displacement engine produced 28+ horsepower in previous editions. What Kubota did wasn't illegal or unethical, it was simply taking advantage of the regulations to produce a good tractor with a basically proven engine. Having said that, you are also correct in saying that it is a comparatively dirty engine. Engines with using DEF or with DPF filters expel far fewer particulates into the atmosphere. Put a white handkerchief over the exhaust of a tier IV non DEF of DPF engine and then of similar size with the the added technologies and let me know your results.

My L3200 would smoke up the barn on a cold start. Under normal operating condition it wasn't bad but had a diesel smell. No diesel smell or soot ever on my L4060. Occasional funk when the DPF is regening.

I was hitching up a front snowblower on a Pre DPF 40hp or so John Deere. It stank & even a brief time near the exhaust gave me a headache.

As much as I hate the cost & complexity of a DPF it's so much nicer to work around. There's the whole save the planet & avoid health issues from particular things, too.

 

[Jstpssng]

My L3200 would smoke up the barn on a cold start. Under normal operating condition it wasn't bad but had a diesel smell. No diesel smell or soot ever on my L4060. Occasional funk when the DPF is regening.

I was hitching up a front snowblower on a Pre DPF 40hp or so John Deere. It stank & even a brief time near the exhaust gave me a headache.

As much as I hate the cost & complexity of a DPF it's so much nicer to work around. There's the whole save the planet & avoid health issues from particular things, too.

I feel the same way. I keep threatening to trade for a geared Kioti 2610, then I drive my father's L2800 for a while and can't wait to get back onto my cleaner burning 3301. While I think his tractor is much better in a lot of ways, I don't miss that diesel stench.

 

[RalphVa]

The L2501 has brakes on wrong side with HST.

 

[3 Horse Ranch]

The lower L2501 has brakes on wrong side with HST.

Learn! The Brits and Aussies drive on the opposite side of the road. You go there, you adapt. They come here, they adapt. There is no wrong side, only the unfamiliar.

 

[Paystar]

Good to know. Personally, I’m totally fine with the trade-off and comprise of simplicity vs. complexity and cost.

Mike

Same with me! There are far many other things that are going to kill us and this planet before my tractor exhaust does, LOL