kubota vs. kioti

[LD1]

Wait til morning when most of the rest of the world is up, and this thread will light up again. Now where is that deer and popcorn animation I saw in another thread...

 

[gkm]

Kioti is a fine tractor at 200hrs. At 800, 1000hrs they will start to fall apart. I have had two friends witht them, one the engine threw a rod at 350hrs, the other had the transmission bust, mowing his lawn! Thats not quality. After 5 years, then you will see why people buy John Deere, Kubota, CNH/Ls. They hold up. IF well maintained they will still run like new. A kioti no matter how well maintained and taken care of will start to fall apart after a few hundred hours.

What a ridiculous statement IMHO! Sure would like to see the "proof!" Any tractor manufacturer, w/ few exceptions, will have issues/problems. It's a statistical fact. That said, if your statements are true, how well were the machines maintained and how were they used/abused?

 

[k0ua]

I'm betting there aren't too many physicists reading this thread. There is at least one, however, as I am one.

This thread has me laughing and crying at the same time. I think a few of you guys are trying to say the same thing, but there is some kind of impedance mismatch preventing you from agreeing on the details, i.e. you're really just arguing over semantics.

There have been a lot of incorrect statements about power / torque / force / work / energy and the relationship between these units. It would take hours for me to write a post addressing them all but, if you want to ask specific questions about the physics, I will try to give simple concise answers. On the other hand, I won't take offense if you tell me to buzz off.

Cheers

Impedence mismatch? As in SWR? (Standing Wave Ratio) as in Incident power vs Reflected power?.. I try to keep my Impedence mismatches all resistive and below 1.5 to 1

 

[k0ua]

Wait til morning when most of the rest of the world is up, and this thread will light up again. Now where is that deer and popcorn animation I saw in another thread...

Here you go..God knows it is applicable to this thread for sure!

 

[whizdbiz2]

What a ridiculous statement IMHO! Sure would like to see the "proof!" Any tractor manufacturer, w/ few exceptions, will have issues/problems. It's a statistical fact. That said, if your statements are true, how well were the machines maintained and how were they used/abused?

Agree, I have an MTD built lawn mower that is almost 14 yrs. old and is still going strong. Lots of so called experts would swear an MTD would never last more than 5-6 years. It's maintenance and use. Any machine will fail if abused.

 

[arlen4720]

Mahindra paint fades fastest. JD the slowest cause it cost the most.

Plus when a JD fades, it just turns into an Oliver.

 

[arlen4720]

Impedence mismatch? As in SWR? (Standing Wave Ratio) as in Incident power vs Reflected power?.. I try to keep my Impedence mismatches all resistive and below 1.5 to 1

You can have mechanical impedance mismatch too. Same principle as as our SWR.
73 AA0SG

 

[k0ua]

You can have mechanical impedance mismatch too. Same principle as as our SWR.
73 AA0SG

I learn something new every day..
73

 

[k0ua]

Oh, and if anyone want's to know, in the Kubota vs Kioti debate: Kioti wins almost every time unless you are talking hydro transmissions, then Kubota has them beat. And if you are talking 3pt hitches... well... let's not go there!:devil::laughing:

All in good fun guys, all in good fun.!
No Kubota's or Kioti's were actually harmed in this discussion.

 

[tomato coupe]

Impedence mismatch? As in SWR? (Standing Wave Ratio) as in Incident power vs Reflected power?.. I try to keep my Impedence mismatches all resistive and below 1.5 to 1

Yep. Too much of one poster's "signal" is reflected when it reaches another poster. The receiver's impedance probably is too "reactive."

 

[sd455dan]

Oh, and if anyone want's to know, in the Kubota vs Kioti debate: Kioti wins almost every time unless you are talking hydro transmissions, then Kubota has them beat. And if you are talking 3pt hitches... well... let's not go there!:devil::laughing:

All in good fun guys, all in good fun.!
No Kubota's or Kioti's were actually harmed in this discussion.

Well now that the debate is settled :stirthepot:

 

[CARNEYM]

Oh, and if anyone want's to know, in the kubota vs Kioti debate: Kioti wins almost every time unless you are talking hydro transmissions, then Kubota has them beat. And if you are talking 3pt hitches... well... let's not go there!

You know I read about the kubota 3pt hitches all the time and I don't get it. I have a gl3130 and that is the smoothest hitch I have ever used. You can move it either direction 1/16 inch with no problems. I know your talking about one of the L models! But remember kubota makes all types of tractors, light ones, heavy ones, small and large. Just according to what you want to buy. So making a broad statement covering all of there tractors is wrong. Also as far as to compare a kioti to a kubota, pick the right tractor to compare it to. My cousin has a ck35, he likes it and is a nice tractor. But the GL3130 I have is less horsepower but heaver built.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Oh, and if anyone want's to know, in the Kubota vs Kioti debate: Kioti wins almost every time unless you are talking hydro transmissions, then Kubota has them beat. And if you are talking 3pt hitches... well... let's not go there!:devil::laughing:

All in good fun guys, all in good fun.!
No Kubota's or Kioti's were actually harmed in this discussion.

Actually, and in all seriousness, in my own shopping looking at 60ish hp HST tractors, all of which (with exception of Mahindria) have electronically controlled transmissions Massey and Kioti have the best-to-use HST transmission and Kubota's L6060 has the worst. The reason being that Massey and Kioti have a simple knob to dial up and down the acceleration and with it power, and deceleration of the HST, whereas Kubota has a single, impossible-for-me-to-use button that wades through menus, which, if not perfectly pushed for the right amount of time, means starting all over again. Knobs trump buttons. Funny thing is that Kubota used to have a knob. But now, they made it stupid hard to button.

 

[k0ua]

Oh, and if anyone want's to know, in the kubota vs Kioti debate: Kioti wins almost every time unless you are talking hydro transmissions, then Kubota has them beat. And if you are talking 3pt hitches... well... let's not go there!

You know I read about the kubota 3pt hitches all the time and I don't get it. I have a gl3130 and that is the smoothest hitch I have ever used. You can move it either direction 1/16 inch with no problems. I know your talking about one of the L models! But remember kubota makes all types of tractors, light ones, heavy ones, small and large. Just according to what you want to buy. So making a broad statement covering all of there tractors is wrong. Also as far as to compare a kioti to a kubota, pick the right tractor to compare it to. My cousin has a ck35, he likes it and is a nice tractor. But the GL3130 I have is less horsepower but heaver built.

I was just kidding, I am well aware Kubota makes tractors with smooth 3pt hitches. Just not all of them.

 

[k0ua]

Well now that the debate is settled :stirthepot:

Thank God we have this behind us now. Let all move on to which is best AG's or R4's

 

[sawtooth]

Why did Kubota contract with Daedong to build tractors for them for ten years? Many of those "Kubotas" are still running around BTW.

That is exactly what I was trying to say earlier. If hp is king then why does most pulling / working equipment have way more torque than hp. Chew on that for a while.

Look at most of the new HD light trucks. They have double or more torque over hp ratings. This is why the larger displacement engines just perform better and the reason I hate all the newer smaller displacement stuff coming out of Asia and other countries. Bring back the real engines please. We want big pistons and tons of low end torque. I have had both and until you try both it's hard to fully understand the difference.

 

[tomato coupe]

Actually, and in all seriousness, in my own shopping looking at 60ish hp HST tractors, all of which (with exception of Mahindria) have electronically controlled transmissions Massey and Kioti have the best-to-use HST transmission and Kubota's L6060 has the worst. The reason being that Massey and Kioti have a simple knob to dial up and down the acceleration and with it power, and deceleration of the HST, whereas Kubota has a single, impossible-for-me-to-use button that wades through menus, which, if not perfectly pushed for the right amount of time, means starting all over again. Knobs trump buttons. Funny thing is that Kubota used to have a knob. But now, they made it stupid hard to button.

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That seems to be a bit of a misrepresentation. Pushing the button once enables "Stall Guard" mode. Pushing it twice enables "Auto H-DS". Pushing it a third time puts you back where you started. You're never more than 2 pushes away from the mode you need. I wouldn't consider that wading through menus.

 

[k0ua]

Actually, and in all seriousness, in my own shopping looking at 60ish hp HST tractors, all of which (with exception of Mahindria) have electronically controlled transmissions Massey and Kioti have the best-to-use HST transmission and Kubota's L6060 has the worst. The reason being that Massey and Kioti have a simple knob to dial up and down the acceleration and with it power, and deceleration of the HST, whereas Kubota has a single, impossible-for-me-to-use button that wades through menus, which, if not perfectly pushed for the right amount of time, means starting all over again. Knobs trump buttons. Funny thing is that Kubota used to have a knob. But now, they made it stupid hard to button.

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I will agree that putting the HST response in a menu instead of a knob, does seem like a step backward, but perhaps they felt that most people just picked a response and stayed with it. At least you get to choose a response with the Kubota. Another example are the heat and air controls on my 2010 chevy silverado. Stupid up and down arrows for temp and fan speed.. It would have been a lot better to have a knob that you don't even really have to look at while driving down the road.

 

[tomato coupe]

Maybe I'm just confused, but my L45 has the same panel as shown in the photo. HST response IS controlled by a knob, and HST mode is selected by the button with three possible positions. What menu are you guys talking about?

 

[art]

Seems funny that everyone is talking about hydro response and as I look at the picture it shows a knob that you turn just as you say you like!!!!!! lmao

The other features that are electronic, the other companies don't offer!!! So if you don't understand how to use them don't worry about them as for some, they don't even have an option to use!!!