KAAAAAA - CHING !

DirtHauler · Dec 1, 2011

Well I guess I just joined the club of the few if not many who've had their injector pump go "south"! Was running fine while doing a 'tilling job, finished, shut it down and was chatting with customer in regards to how great the tractor has been (little to no problems). He asked if I had time to do a couple of other little things for him before I go, so I turned the key, cranked for a little bit......started then died! sounded like no fuel? (embarrassing). Spent a good half hour trying to get it to fire, checked filter, bled injector lines, etc. Finally got it fired up at about 1/4 to 1/2 throttle, would not idle, got it out of the field and onto the trailer and home.

Spent several hours trying to find the problem.....still hasn't started since that day, so it looks looks like the pump is shot!

Patches · Dec 1, 2011

That sucks;every time I fire mine up, I hold my breath. Seems to me there are way too many Kioti injection pumps sh!$$!^& the bed

DK35vince · Dec 1, 2011

What year machine do you have?
I'm curious if certain year/years machines are having the fuel pump issues.
Any others that had this problem can you tell the year of your tractor.
Thanks.

RADDAD50 · Dec 1, 2011

Sorry to hear this Wine country neighbor :thumbsup:, my tractor is a CK25 2007 and the injector pump bit the dust at 200 hours. Luck for me it was covered under warranty still. The dealer is Sebastopol told me to run a fuel additive for California diesel, which I have done for the last 200 hours and have had no problems other a blown head gasket

mj007 · Dec 1, 2011

You guys with injector pump issues using additives .... aka Power Service, Diesel Treat 2000 or ????

RADDAD50 · Dec 1, 2011

MJ007, I have been using Stanadyne since I had the new pump put in.

PoorMansCat · Dec 1, 2011

RADDAD50 said:
Sorry to hear this Wine country neighbor :thumbsup:, my tractor is a CK25 2007 and the injector pump bit the dust at 200 hours. Luck for me it was covered under warranty still. The dealer is Sebastopol told me to run a fuel additive for California diesel, which I have done for the last 200 hours and have had no problems other a blown head gasket

what is the difference between Kalifornia diesel and other states diesel????

RADDAD50 · Dec 2, 2011

The mechanic told me that the california diesel has less lubricants in it to meet California emissions for clean burning fuel. Not sure if other states have the same emissions standards.

BTI · Dec 2, 2011

Dirt hauler- are you getting good flow to the injector pump itself?
Normally when the injector pump goes they either don't fire up, or run wide open, passed governor.
Might be a bad lift pump.

BTI

mj007 · Dec 2, 2011

RADDAD50 said:
The mechanic told me that the california diesel has less lubricants in it to meet California emissions for clean burning fuel. Not sure if other states have the same emissions standards.

The feds mandated Ultra Low Sulphur Diesel (ULSD) for use in ALL highway vehicles a while back (2006 ??) so the fuel in all 50 states SHOULD be the same if the plan and implementation is being carried out as intended ..... see this TDIClub Forums - View Single Post - Addative Study and this New S15 (Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel -ULSD) Regulations for more info. I was told by several fuel distributors here in Western Colo. that the dyed off-road fuel is the same ULSD but with dye added ..... YIKES!!!

I use SCHAEffER'S Diesel Treat 2000 in all of my diesels and am keeping my fingers crossed!

mj007 · Dec 2, 2011

Patches said:
That sucks;every time I fire mine up, I hold my breath. Seems to me there are way too many Kioti injection pumps sh!$$!^& the bed

It's not just the Kiotis that are loosing pumps ..... earlier Ford, Chevy and Dodge pickups are loosing them too if the owners are not adding lubricity to ULSD diesel fuel ..... I doubt that ANY diesels made before 2006 will live at ULSD's mandated 15 ppm sulphur content without adding lubricity.

Patches · Dec 2, 2011

mj007 said:
It's not just the Kiotis that are loosing pumps ..... earlier Ford, Chevy and Dodge pickups are loosing them too if the owners are not adding lubricity to ULSD diesel fuel ..... I doubt that ANY diesels made before 2006 will live at ULSD's mandated 15 ppm sulphur content without adding lubricity.

Most of the Kioti pump failures seem to be rack related, not the pumps ability to supply the injectors fuel. Additives have no effect on this issue

mj007 · Dec 2, 2011

Patches said:
Most of the Kioti pump failures seem to be rack related, not the pumps ability to supply the injectors fuel. Additives have no effect on this issue

Do the majority of rack failures result from fracture or wear?

Patches · Dec 2, 2011

Most of the posts I've seen reference injector pump failure have been a catastrophic failure of the rack and/or associated parts. A few instances of solonoid failure on those so equipped, but mostly mechanical failure of the rack

DirtHauler · Dec 2, 2011

BTI said:
Dirt hauler- are you getting good flow to the injector pump itself?
Normally when the injector pump goes they either don't fire up, or run wide open, passed governor.
Might be a bad lift pump.

BTI

I bought my CK30 new in Feb. '06. I my first thoughts when this happened was the "lift pump" so I ordered a new one and is still sitting here in the box after being told that you could bypass it to check the injector pump by gravity feeding fuel to it......did that, nothing! Also was told the "lift pump" only puts out about 12 psi(?) or less, creates more of a vacuum from the tank than pressure to the pump. Also checked the fuel solenoid, works fine. Checked fuel return line, as suggested, it's O.K.
So I'm sure this cheap knock off of a Bosch injector pump is junk..........Merry Christmas to me!

Been using Red-Line 85+ additive which raises the cetane number and adds lubrication to our states' "over refined" fuel. Wait till they add EGR to these tractors! coming soon....tier IV.

mj007 · Dec 2, 2011

Patches said:
Most of the posts I've seen reference injector pump failure have been a catastrophic failure of the rack and/or associated parts. A few instances of solonoid failure on those so equipped, but mostly mechanical failure of the rack

So these failures could be from a lack of internal lubrication of the pump resulting in higher loading of the rack or from inadequate design and/or material selection and/or manufacturing process?

Patches · Dec 2, 2011

That's what I'm thinkin', but, there shouldn't be sufficient stresses on the rack, due to inadequate lubrication, to cause these failures:thumbsup: My thought is inferior materials used in the manufacture of the components; even being a Bosch unit, I don't know if these are "off-the-shelf" pumps or if they're manufactured to Daedong's specs by Bosch

jonyyuma · Dec 2, 2011

Patches said:
That's what I'm thinkin', but, there shouldn't be sufficient stresses on the rack, due to inadequate lubrication, to cause these failures:thumbsup: My thought is inferior materials used in the manufacture of the components; even being a Bosch unit, I don't know if these are "off-the-shelf" pumps or if they're manufactured to Daedong's specs by Bosch

Has anyone of you ever tested the strength of the metal, or is seals? This many seems to be a design problem or metal? We had some Cummins pumps fail from lack of lubrication, specs were too tight....Just wonderin??

Gittyup · Dec 2, 2011

I was told my my dealer that early kiotis used a gear in the pump that was too brittle.

My ck25 is a 2006. Pump failed at 300 hours. Wasn't using additive before repair. Started using power service immediately after. I'm now at about 480 hours.