Buying Advice Just Purchased an LX2610SU - Loader Questions

[rescue161]

I just bought an LX2610SU. The dealer had to order some things as I wanted the Swift-Tach loader and they only had a standard LA535. Is the Swift-Tach loader the same as the regular and it just has additional items, or is it completely different? They had to order the larger R14 tires as they didn't have them in stock. I have been wanting a tractor for a long time and couldn't wait anymore. Now, I'm anxiously awaiting the delivery and am curious about the differences, if any, between the standard and the Swift-Tach.

I also asked about the mechanical self-leveling arms. He said they could be added later, so I opted to not get them now. Is there a hydraulic bleed-off for when the leveling arms are keeping the bucket level? I wouldn't think the kit would only include the arms.

 

[SDT]

I just bought an LX2610SU. The dealer had to order some things as I wanted the Swift-Tach loader and they only had a standard LA535. Is the Swift-Tach loader the same as the regular and it just has additional items, or is it completely different? They had to order the larger R14 tires as they didn't have them in stock. I have been wanting a tractor for a long time and couldn't wait anymore. Now, I'm anxiously awaiting the delivery and am curious about the differences, if any, between the standard and the Swift-Tach.

I also asked about the mechanical self-leveling arms. He said they could be added later, so I opted to not get them now. Is there a hydraulic bleed-off for when the leveling arms are keeping the bucket level? I wouldn't think the kit would only include the arms.

Self leveling is mechanical only. Nothing hydraulic.

Think twice. Mechanical self levelinig affects lift height, dump angle and adds weight, thereby decreasing payload.

Not sure if such can be cost effectively added later.

Might want to view the oversized R14T tires before buying. All three tractors that I have seen with such exhibit pronounced ballooning, not exhibited by oversized R4s. Do not fail to consider that the oversized tires require steering stops, which increasing turning radius and affect maneuverability and also preclude the use of any tire chains.

SDT

 

[rescue161]

I just mostly wanted to know if there are mechanical differences between the standard FEL and the Swift-Tach FEL. Is the standard FEL upgraded to Swift-Tach at the dealer, or is it a completely different loader?

I did not get the self-leveling kit, mostly for the potential problems with dirt work. I only considered them for forks. I did look at all of the pros and cons on the tires. There is a wait on the tires. I may call tomorrow to inquire about getting the smaller R14s instead, but I have seen them in person and did not notice a significant ballooning problem.

 

[Mat4644]

I have the LA535 loader standard version. It has the brackets for the Swift-Tach. Looks like might be compatable and the kit bolts on. It could be the frame mounts to the tractor are different. Dealer will know for sure.

The loader comes off very easily. Swift Tach is not needed for the pins. Arms easily set manually. SwiftTach might save a minute or two. The single quick hydraulic coupler is more of a time saver.

I usually leave the loader on and detach the bucket.

 

[awhelan]

Self leveling is mechanical only. Nothing hydraulic.

Think twice. Mechanical self levelinig affects lift height, dump angle and adds weight, thereby decreasing payload.

Not sure if such can be cost effectively added later.


SDT

Tested | B1671 Self-leveling loader kit | Performance Impact? - YouTube

I don't usually like to contradict but there IS a hydraulic bleed-off with the kit (you can see in the vid) it can easily be added at any time and the performance loss is negligible.
My delivery is scheduled for Wednesday, i'll take some detailed pics when it arrives.

Andy

 

[rescue161]

Outstanding. Thank you for the picture. My main reason for the Swift-Tach is the single coupler. I was just curious about the paw arm holders and they are there on the standard loader, so that answers my question.

And thanks for the bleed-off info. I thought there may have been something, as the arms are forcing the loader to do something that the hydraulic cylinders don't want them to do.

 

[SDT]

Tested | B1671 Self-leveling loader kit | Performance Impact? - YouTube

I don't usually like to contradict but there IS a hydraulic bleed-off with the kit (you can see in the vid) it can easily be added at any time and the performance loss is negligible.
My delivery is scheduled for Wednesday, i'll take some detailed pics when it arrives.

Andy

Mechanical self leveling and swift - Tach are seperate and distinct. Mechanical self leveling is just that, mechanical.

Moreover, the much more useful single lever hydraulic coupling if also distinct and available with or without self leveling. Also available with or without swift - Tach.

That said, the installed price of the single lever hydraulic manifold will exceed $800 (may well exceed $900, depending upon shop rate).

SDT

 

[Mat4644]

The loader is so easy to remove I was only interested in adding the single lever hydraulic coupler. The cost vs a small inconvenience wasn't worth it

 

[awhelan]

Mechanical self leveling and swift - Tach are seperate and distinct. Mechanical self leveling is just that, mechanical.

Moreover, the much more useful single lever hydraulic coupling if also distinct and available with or without self leveling. Also available with or without swift - Tach.

That said, the installed price of the single lever hydraulic manifold will exceed $800.

SDT

No one is confusing MSL with Swift- Tach. But I may not understand your definition of "Mechanical" Is this not a "hydraulic Bleed off" for the cylinders? Tested | B1671 Self-leveling loader kit | Performance Impact? - YouTube

I agree, the single lever manifold is the most usefull of the 3.

 

[awhelan]

View attachment ku-125532-273319-920625.pdf

 

[ptsg]

With mechanical self leveling loaders, you'll need a relief valve in the curl/dump circuit. Usually a dual pressure relief valve, but Kubota seems to kinda cut corners and used a single relief valve.

The reason for the need of an relief valve tied into the curl/dump circuit is because, let's say you fully dumped the bucket lower to the ground. Once you start lifting the loader, the self leveling linkage will try to push the bucket ever further, which won't go because it already hit the stops. If there was no relief valve, something would break or bent. With the relief valve, it simply gives away by revealing the pressure.

Same principle applies if you're at max height, fully curled and try to lower the loader. Something has to give and that's where the relief valve comes into play.

I hope that makes sense.

 

[rescue161]

Sorry for the confusion. Yes, I knew that Swift-Tach and self leveling were two separate options. I did buy the Swift-Tach and was curious if there was a difference between the Swift-Tach and a standard loader. That was answered, so I'm glad they are the same. The sole reason for wanting the ST loader is the single coupler. Other than that, I was fine with the standard.

The second option that I did not get, was the self leveling arms. I was curious if it could be added at a later date, but the more I read, the more I don't want that option.

The R14 tires are back ordered with a ship date of 10/26, so i just opted for the R4s. I guess that is a sign that I didn't need the R14s.

 

[SDT]

Sorry for the confusion. Yes, I knew that Swift-Tach and self leveling were two separate options. I did buy the Swift-Tach and was curious if there was a difference between the Swift-Tach and a standard loader. That was answered, so I'm glad they are the same. The sole reason for wanting the ST loader is the single coupler. Other than that, I was fine with the standard.

The second option that I did not get, was the self leveling arms. I was curious if it could be added at a later date, but the more I read, the more I don't want that option.

The R14 tires are back ordered with a ship date of 10/26, so i just opted for the R4s. I guess that is a sign that I didn't need the R14s.

Not absolutely certain but salesman at one of the dealers where I do business told me that the single lever hydraulic compling is available with or without swift-tach.

I think you made the right decision on the tires. Upon first exposure, I liked the R14T tires but having seen the ballooning so evident on both standard sized and, especially, over sized R14Ts, I've had second thoughts. I inspected tractors with both sizes of R14T tires this morning at one of my dealers and, yes, the R14Ts are 4 ply rated whereas R4s are 6 ply rated. I expect that contributes to the ballooning.

SDT

 

[rescue161]

Sounds good. Being that the R14s are bias construction, that may be why they are ballooning. I've heard that bias tires are more stiff. No idea though.

 

[Johnkn]

I picked up a new LX3310 last week and absolutely thought I wanted the Swift-tach, but taking a good look at them and the hose routing I’m glad my tractor didn’t already have it and I absolutely would not add it. It puts a big bundle of hoses far above the loader arm. That’s just me. Also I have the larger R4 SU tires and 100% glad, I have a set of Bro-tek 2” rear / 1.5” front wheel spacers on the workbench. And the FEL is the same, the Swift-tach coupler/manifold is an addable option. Congrats, good luck...

 

[rescue161]

Good to know about the tires. I hope i didn't mess up with the Swift-Tach.

 

[Johnkn]

Here's what it looks like on a smaller tractor, the one I saw on a LX had the hoses up even higher.

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[Mat4644]

LX loader hydraulic quick attach

 

[Johnkn]

^^ Yea, after seeing one in person on an LX, it didn't take me long to decide that wasn't for me, that's a lot of stuff hanging out there.

 

[Mat4644]

It was probably a mistake engineering the loader so narrow and close to the tractor. No room for hydraulics and the need for the rerouting lines outside.