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[coosa]

Hello to all the Yanmar folks!

I've read a good bit in this forum lately as I researched the Fredricks rebuilt Yanmars. I'm just a couple of hours south of them, so I rode up there last week and wound up buying a 2210BD with a 120 loader. They are still working on it and I hope they can deliver it next week. I have 21 acres where I live that I have been keeping up with 1952 model Super C, and this tractor will replace the Super C. Its been in my family since my dad bought it in 1965, so I'm gonna pass it on to my son-in-law to use now with the understanding that it eventually becomes my grandson's tractor someday. I expect the old Super C to still be working when I'm long gone, but it is difficult for an old man like me to hook up the equipment on a Super C and keep it running. I'm hopeful that the Yanmar will be a lot easier on me.

I have a farm that is 90 miles from my home and I have a JD5075E with a 553 loader that I keep there. Its going to be an adjustment for me to go from running it to running the little Yanmar, but I think it will be a lot of fun to use it. I stopped at the tractor implements dealer in Cullman on the way home and bought a 6' blade that has adjustments for both angle and tilt. I have a half mile long driveway that I've been keeping up with the Super C, and I'm hopeful that the Yanmar will do a much better job of pulling the ditches and keeping it smooth. I've got a couple of acres of open land that I either garden or use for wildlife plots, so that will be the other main use of the tractor. I also have a hunting club about 30 miles away and I may use it to plant some of the wildlife patches on it. One reason I wanted a smaller tractor was so I could easily haul it with my half-ton pickup.

I've got some other equipment that might fit it and might not. I have a very old Sidewinder 5' drag type rotary cutter that I believe it should pull without an issue. The Super C is only 24 hp and had no trouble pulling it, so I can't see why this 26 hp tractor shouldn't. But if I am gonna be hauling it around it would be a lot easier with a 3 point hitch cutter. I have a Bush Hog 305 that is built like a tank, and I thought about giving it a try. Its only a 5' cutter, but this thing weighs about 1000 lbs. Nobody at Fredricks could tell me what the 3 point lift rating is, but I'm thinking this little tractor might struggle with lifting the 305. I'm sure it would turn it ok, but wonder if it can lift it. Anyone got an idea on that?

I've got a heavy duty Atlas 16x20 6' disc that weighs about 900 lbs. I know that is way too much disc for this tractor, but if it will just pick it up I think I can use it by shortening the top link enough that the rear gangs don't even touch the ground. That way I'm only discing with the front 8 discs, and I'm thinking that might work. If the tractor won't pick up 900 lbs, I can actually remove the rear gangs and probably reduce the total weight to less than 600. Anyone have an opinion on that?

I suspect I'll eventually buy a light 4' disc and a 4' rotary cutter of some sort and have something better suited to the tractor, but I'd like to put it to work immediately and see what it will do. I have a 3 point hitch cultivator that I'm planning to use with it for gardening. I have a cultivator for the Super C, but taking it on and off by myself was becoming too much.

I've already got several jobs planned for the front bucket, and wanta do some things that I couldn't do for years because I didn't have a loader. I'll let everyone know how things go with it. Thanks for all the info that's already on this forum, and I welcome any comments!

 

[clemsonfor]

Welcome and I am sure you will love tractor.

It will easily run a 5 footer in all but the tallest grass. It will not shower lift the 1000pound cutter. Bit are you sure a 5fter weighs that much?? The 900 pound disk...forget about it!!! My 4.5 foot disk weighs maybe 600 pounds with ballest and it can. Barely pick it up but the front is light with extra weight up there too. I use a 6ft finish mower that weighs 600 and it makes the front light. But I am lighter and dont have the front loader like you.

 

[California]

Welcome aboard!

The 2210 will turn a 5 ft rotary mower fine, you might have to cut a half-width path if you go into stuff so thick its hard to walk through. If you buy a lighter mower I would still get 5 ft size.

But lift 900 lbs - I doubt it. See my sig photo below. The YM240 is nearly as large as your 2210, same engine displacement but 2 less rated hp. The 2210 is sort of a 'super' version of the same thing and is also a couple hundred lbs heavier. This YM240 struggles to lift the backhoe which has a catalog weight of 750 lbs. And a mower's weight is farther back than the backhoe. I have a light 5 ft disc, 650 ?? lbs, and I can lift that fine, but I would need more wheel ballast to get traction and pull it like it was intended for. Both implements make the hydraulic bypass squeal if they are lifted and I drive over rough ground. I think this means I am at the limit of what the tractor was designed to lift.

You are going to love that Powershift. You'll wonder how you ever got by without it. Same thing for the loader.

Enjoy!

 

[coosa]

Thanks for the welcome and the info! Clemsonfor, you are right, I was wrong on the weight of my old cutter. I looked it up and it weighs 825. I have a 6' Bush Hog that weighs just under 1100 and had it my mind that the 5' was right at 1000. But it sounds like you guys think even 825 is more than it can handle? It needs some welding before I can use it; maybe I should fix it and sell it and buy a lighter cutter. Also sounds like that if I wanta use the 6' disc I might as well remove the rear gang. I think that should reduce it to 600 or so. I have used it this way in the past when I had a bad bearing and needed to finish a job. It actually worked ok.

A good day to all!

 

[careyo63]

Welcome. I run a 5Ft. FM. @ 611 Lbs. and a 4Ft. BH. heavy duty on a Ym2000 same as the 240. My BH. is a old International built like a Tank! I'm sure it will handle larger implements but I don't like to have to run my equipment at full power or even close to it. I've never had to run the FM. over 2100 rpm's @ 540 1st. gear pto. but I have my 2nd. gear working now so I never get over 1600 rpms.. I don't have a FEL. on it so I had to add front ballast also. To be honest I can't recall ever having to run the YM2000 over 2200 rpms. IMO. run like your going to since it's newly rebuilt and if it has a problem you want it to show up. The Fred. referbished 2500 did but it was easily corrected for me. If not your be able to get it corrected under warranty.

 

[kenmac]

Welcome, My Alabama friend :thumbsup:

 

[coosa]

>>> I've never had to run the FM. over 2100 rpm's @ 540 1st. gear pto. but I have my 2nd. gear working now so I never get over 1600 rpms.<<<

Thanks for the info, Carey. The guy at Fredricks didn't know what RPM I needed to run the tractor to get 540 pto speed; I was planning to ask you guys. So is 2100 the minimum to run the tractor and get 540 with the first pto gear? I asked him about reducing the RPM of the tractor and using the 2nd pto gear, but he wasn't sure that would work and said he didn't know how to figure the math if it would. It doesn't seem that complicated to me if you know the speeds, but I thought I'd wait until I actually had the tractor before asking the questions here.

So are you saying that running the tractor at 1600 rpm and keep the pto in the 2nd gear will give me 540? That would sure be an advantage if it will do that. I hate having to run my JD so hard to get the needed pto speed. They have an econo setting on the newer models but mine doesn't have it.

 

[California]

There should be a tic mark on the tach indicating rpm that gives you 540 at the pto. I think its at 2200 on models that include yours.

American implements have a warning to not run them over 540 rpm (unless its something special that specifies 1000 rpm). And these Japanese tractors have 540 as first pto speed then more, higher, speeds for Japanese rototillers. (Higher turns dry soil to talcum powder consistency. Maybe for growing carrots or something where you want a flawless root??).

After you find the chart showing the gear ratios, try 2, 3, 4 and see if you have enough torque to run the implement at lower engine rpm in the higher pto gears without exceeding 540 output. For light work, you should have enough power and it will be more pleasant. But think safety, don't rev up the engine while doing this.

MY US-spec YM240 has 540 and 1000 pto speeds. I use the higher gear for turning the pto pump, at low engine rpm, when I'm parked running the backhoe. I can feel the engine load down and pull when I dig; that load is unnoticeable if I use the 540 gear.

 

[284 International]

I don't want to sound discouraging, but that Super C, if it's running appropriately, will be more powerful than the Yanmar. Your 2210 will be much handier to use and user friendly, but with those very tall tires and equal or more power, it will do as well, or better, than the Yanmar. Conditions matter, but the height of drive tires makes a lot of difference, and the Farmall made more horsepower new. You're getting more convenience and handiness, but not more in terms of outright capability, in my prediction.

The heavy mower would be usable if you set the rear wheel properly and only carry half the weight of the cutter.

I would pull a set of disks or two off each side before I tried to run with a single set of gangs in a tandem disk. You'll get an ugly humped ridge if you leave the front, or a trough if you leave the rears. By narrowing it you will preserve the correct operation of the implement, while marginally lowering the weight but dramatically decreasing the pull required.

You will really like the 2210, and with proper care it is of equally long-lasting construction, and your grandson will be able to share both the Super C and the Yanmar with his own children.

Welcome to the forum.

 

[careyo63]

After getting my 2nd gear PTO. to lock in and not jump out of gear I searched for a chart. I found the Ratio of Eng.to PTO Winston Posted a few yrs. back.. He said it was done with a Digital Tach.. After doing the Math it seems to be correct for my 2000. Being able to run my FM. in 2nd gear PTO. is really nice. I've told myself often now I have it corrected that I should have taken care of the 2nd. gear problem YRS..... Ago!

1st range 540pto = 2204rpm, 2nd range 540pto = 1685rpm, 3rd range 540pto = 1167rpm.

 

[winston1]

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/yanmar/244500-pto-speeds.html?highlight=pto+speed

 

[coosa]

Thanks for all the replies and the info. I guess I need to actually get the tractor and try it out before I worry too much about using the 2nd pto speed.

>>>I don't want to sound discouraging, but that Super C, if it's running appropriately, will be more powerful than the Yanmar. Your 2210 will be much handier to use and user friendly, but with those very tall tires and equal or more power, it will do as well, or better, than the Yanmar. Conditions matter, but the height of drive tires makes a lot of difference, and the Farmall made more horsepower new. You're getting more convenience and handiness, but not more in terms of outright capability, in my prediction.<<<

Thanks for that advice, and I already expected everything you said. The old Super C is an amazing machine. It was made in the era when they built things to last. I ran it for decades with no idea how many HP it had, and was shocked when I found out it had only 24; I've seen some charts that said 20. It will surely do any of the work I need done around the house and then some.

But have you ever tried to put on the turning plow by yourself? When I was younger, it was a huge hassle. Now that I'm 61 and got back problems, its all but impossible. Still, if you ever got it hooked up the old tractor will pull what is essentially a 2 disc discplow without a problem. I seriously doubt the Yanmar could pull such a plow, but its a moot point as there is no way in the world to hook it up. But I think the Yanmar will do all I want, and do it with a lot less aggravation on my part.

Thanks for the idea on the disc. I have used that old disc in all sorts of configurations when bearings would go out on it. I've used it with 2 gangs and even with 3, and it "works" no matter how you set it up. I've got the front gangs almost touching so the ridge you mention is pretty small on it. If I want the ground to be really smooth, I can lap it. Only cover 3' per pass that way, but it does a nice job. After looking around the net at the price of the smaller discs, I think I'm gonna give the old one a try.

A good day to all!

 

[coosa]

284 International; this is the Super C the Yanmar will replace. I remember my dad got teary-eyed when he let me have it. I'm sure I'll do the same when I take it to my son-in-law.

The home-made scrape blade has allowed me to keep up a half mile driveway for the past 21 years. I can get angle with it pretty easily, but its hard to get much tilt. I've got a smaller blade set at a steep angle for pulling ditches. I won't miss fooling with those blades.

 

[winston1]

How nice to look right down at the blade to see what is happening. :thumbsup: Your left light is out.

 

[clemsonfor]

My grand dad i beleive had one of those. It went to a second cosin. I want to get that tractor back now!!! When i was yound n dumb i let him get it from my grand ma. They asked if i was ok with it.I always knew i wanted a tractor but didnt want that "old thing" now 15+ years later and realizing how simple old iron is i wish i had that tractor back, just from the cool factor and that it was my grandads as well.

 

[clemsonfor]

Thanks for all the replies and the info. I guess I need to actually get the tractor and try it out before I worry too much about using the 2nd pto speed.

>>>I don't want to sound discouraging, but that Super C, if it's running appropriately, will be more powerful than the Yanmar. Your 2210 will be much handier to use and user friendly, but with those very tall tires and equal or more power, it will do as well, or better, than the Yanmar. Conditions matter, but the height of drive tires makes a lot of difference, and the Farmall made more horsepower new. You're getting more convenience and handiness, but not more in terms of outright capability, in my prediction.<<<

Thanks for that advice, and I already expected everything you said. The old Super C is an amazing machine. It was made in the era when they built things to last. I ran it for decades with no idea how many HP it had, and was shocked when I found out it had only 24; I've seen some charts that said 20. It will surely do any of the work I need done around the house and then some.

But have you ever tried to put on the turning plow by yourself? When I was younger, it was a huge hassle. Now that I'm 61 and got back problems, its all but impossible. Still, if you ever got it hooked up the old tractor will pull what is essentially a 2 disc discplow without a problem. I seriously doubt the Yanmar could pull such a plow, but its a moot point as there is no way in the world to hook it up. But I think the Yanmar will do all I want, and do it with a lot less aggravation on my part.

Thanks for the idea on the disc. I have used that old disc in all sorts of configurations when bearings would go out on it. I've used it with 2 gangs and even with 3, and it "works" no matter how you set it up. I've got the front gangs almost touching so the ridge you mention is pretty small on it. If I want the ground to be really smooth, I can lap it. Only cover 3' per pass that way, but it does a nice job. After looking around the net at the price of the smaller discs, I think I'm gonna give the old one a try.

A good day to all!

You can still find used 4-5 foot 3pt disks for $200-300 if you look. summer is a good time. Fall is when the food plot guys are looking everywhere for them for deer leases.

I think if i remember correctly i paid $200 for mine and its 4.5foot basically. I paid them cash and they dropped them in my truck with an overhead home made hoist system that was used for like pulling motors and things then had a neighbor with a larger tractor boom it out.

I have seen them since for like $250 for similar size but i think mine was a better buy. They guys before me pulled it with a ford 2000 between pine rows on thier hunt club. its really in good shape. All i have found in like 5 years is zerk fittings that are stripped. I just figer tighten it up and put grease in all the bearings when done and it sits there till next time.

 

[kenmac]

284 International; this is the Super C the Yanmar will replace. I remember my dad got teary-eyed when he let me have it. I'm sure I'll do the same when I take it to my son-in-law.

The home-made scrape blade has allowed me to keep up a half mile driveway for the past 21 years. I can get angle with it pretty easily, but its hard to get much tilt. I've got a smaller blade set at a steep angle for pulling ditches. I won't miss fooling with those blades.

That's when they built them to work..Just think at the amount of work those guys, that ran machines like that could get done with the machines we have today !

 

[careyo63]

Might be able to get a lot of things done with one of these. I've talked to Clemsonfor about getting some land cleared and this would sure come in handy afterwards. I'm thinking Back Hoe and Man I'd be set.

26 HP 4X4 DIESEL TRACTOR&LOADER

 

[coosa]

How nice to look right down at the blade to see what is happening. :thumbsup: Your left light is out.

I call it my mini-motor grader.

You can see exactly how much material you are moving. Unfortunately, that usually isn't very much. I keep up the road by going over and over and over it. If only there were a good way to easily tilt the blade it would be a lot better rig. The light has been out since at least 1965, so I guess I must not need it too bad.

I've got a picture somewhere of me on the Super C pulling a disc through a field of watermelons when I was 14. I learned to drive it first; then learned to drive a 51 Chevy pickup. Everything since then has gotten a lot easier.

Got word this afternoon that they will deliver my tractor tomorrow. I have an implement dealer a mile from my house and I stopped by today to see what he had. He had a used Lowery disc with 3 blades in each gang that look perfect for this tractor. I'm planning to drive over and hook to it and try it out. I suspect I'll just buy it from him. He also has several new Lowery rotary cutters that are made in AL not too far from my house. Here's a link:

http://www.lowerymanufacturing.com/Clippers.htm

I can get an Andy 400 or a 500. You guys think the little Yanmar will handle the 500, which is a 5' cutter? It has a 12 gauge deck, compared to the 7 gauge deck of the old Bush Hog, so I'm thinking it should handle the 500 with ease. I will post some pics; thanks for all the replies and help!

 

[kenmac]

If you go by the rule of thumb.. You need 25 HP for a 5 ft cutter.. I believe you'll be able to run it just fine.. It will just depend on how tall / thick/ wet the grass gets & how big of a bite you try to take...I have the Andy 500.. If I let the grass get too tall,thick,wet, my engine will bog down ,and I have to take smaller bites or slow down some