Just another junk chainsaw

[goeduck]

What I am saying is that when they clone these saws, they are stealing the designs and then producing them. Would YOU want to spend YOUR hard earned money and time designing something that you hoped to profit from, and then have your neighbor steal all that work from you and start profiting from it?

But you are right, it is my choice not to buy it or support it. And I won't.

I agree, buying something that was simply made in China is one thing. Buying a knock-off copied by China and made in China is completely different. The first is bad, but understandable. The second is horrible for people here to buy.

 

[JeepHead]

I agree, buying something that was simply made in China is one thing. Buying a knock-off copied by China and made in China is completely different. The first is bad, but understandable. The second is horrible for people here to buy.

Yes, it's terrible. These companies spend millions on design, engineering, testing, patents, and production to produce a nice product. Then out of control China swoops in and illegally steals that design and starts producing and selling these products for a fraction of the cost because they invested NOTHING into it. And it's not just happening to chainsaws but across the entire board from saws, to TV's, to imitation purses, etc... And the people who buys this crap, SUPPORTS it.....

 

[5030]

Glad to see you finally calling the Timberwolf buy it's proper name. This is a very easy saw to modify and it really opens it up. You should adjust the squish on it a little, it really helps it out even more...

Bear, Wolf, all the same (and I should know as it's stenciled on the bar as well). Not wanting to open the jug up unless it develops an issue, then I will. Runs peachy with just the Red Beard oiled foam air cleaner, the modded muff and the offset timing key and pulling the limiter caps and snipping off the limiter tangs and then reinstalling them. I did post an error on the CS saw. I bought a replacement muff from Saw it Again. The replacement muff is actually an Echo factory muff with the guts and cat ring absent and the final diffuser / deflector is on a bit different so the exhaust isn't directed towards the outer plastic cover. On the CS saws, the number one complaint (on Echo's website) is the muff deflector melts the plastic outer case.

 

[5030]

I agree, buying something that was simply made in China is one thing. Buying a knock-off copied by China and made in China is completely different. The first is bad, but understandable. The second is horrible for people here to buy.

Guess that pretty much eliminates DeWalt and Milwaukee Li-Ion battery powered hand tools then as they are made in Chinese or Taiwanese factories. Might as well by HF Bauer or Hercules battery powered tools for a lot less cost the, They are made in those very same factories but sold at a much less cost.

Just replaced the 2 batteries in my wife's Suburban and purchased 2 Delco AGM batteries from Walmart and guess where they were made, only one guess and the country's name begins with a 'C'. I could hardly believe it. Thinking about it, they will probably last longer than the Delco's they replaced because the old batteries weren't made in China but here.

Of course with the rapidly increasing cost of shipping containers (over 10 grand today with surety insurance, the Chinese goods are rapidly loosing their value as a cheap alternative. You can thank the Houlti's for that, that and the fact that container ships now have to travel around the Cape of Africa which adds an additional 3 days to each voyage as well as the extra bunker diesel required to make the trip..... and the summer storms there are wreaking havoc on the ships themselves. The cost to ship voia container has went up appreciably since the Houlti's started firing their rockets and unmanned small ships loaded with explosives and hitting ships trying to use the Suez canal is contributing to the overall cost of shipping cheap (not so cheap anymore) Chinese goods here. Until the US and other nations just level Yemen and eliminate them, the cost will continue to go up on all imported stuff from not only China and Taiwan but from India as well as Japan. It all comes here via overseas containers. Diplomacy ain't working with them at all. It all started with Israeli owned ships or ships headed to Israel to offload, but now they are shooting at everything and anything.

 

[goeduck]

Guess that pretty much eliminates DeWalt and Milwaukee Li-Ion battery powered hand tools then as they are made in Chinese or Taiwanese factories. Might as well by HF Bauer or Hercules battery powered tools for a lot less cost the, They are made in those very same factories but sold at a much less cost.

You don't seem to be getting my point. Jeephead explains it better than I did, so maybe read his posts. Let's say you spend 10 years designing and perfecting a "5030 Hand Tool" which is better than any hand tool out there by far. You have it made in China to keep costs down and sell each "5030 hand Tool" at $100 each. Other Chinese companies hear of your fantastic "5030 Hand Tool" and visit the Chinese you have building it. They take one of your "5030 Hand Tools", reverse engineer it and sell a "5031 Hand Tool" for $50 at HF since they have zero invested perfecting the tool. Your same color, your same look, your same design. You suddenly are out of business, 10 years' worth of time invested down the drain since you never broke even. I don't like buying stuff made in China, but sometimes I have to since there often is no choice. I NEVER buy knock offs, however. I'd rather pay $100 for the original "5030 Hand Tool" so you can stay in business and recoup your investment.

 

[xyz123]

We been buying cloned stuff for as long as I can remember back.

Go to the car part store. Your buying cloned China made parts with whatever name on it.

Go buy a motor for that mower or splitter or kart your usually getting a Honda cloned motor.

Name brand tools cloned, Chain grinders, etc etc etc.

Atv's and dirt bikes cloned.

You folks act like this just happened with chainsaws. Been going on as long as I can remember.

You are way late to the cloning game to be complaining now.

Oh good morning.

 

[JeepHead]

We been buying cloned stuff for as long as I can remember back.

Go to the car part store. Your buying cloned China made parts with whatever name on it.

Go buy a motor for that mower or splitter or kart your usually getting a Honda cloned motor.

Name brand tools cloned, Chain grinders, etc etc etc.

Atv's and dirt bikes cloned.

You folks act like this just happened with chainsaws. Been going on as long as I can remember.

You are way late to the cloning game to be complaining now.

Oh good morning.

I don't buy any of those off-brand alternatives, I buy the real deal. My ATV is a Honda, my saws are Husqvarna, Stihl, Echo, Dolmar. My engines on my power washers are a Honda, my cordless tools are Dewalt. I am not buying anything that is from stolen designs! I refuse to support this behavior or these products. And nobody is acting like anything just happened. We are highlighting that it IS happening and that it IS WRONG.

This isn't about buying a Chinese product, it's about buying products originating from stolen designs. There is a difference.


To each their own. You can't force people to do the right thing. It's either in you, or it isn't.

 

[xyz123]

I don't buy any of those off-brand alternatives, I buy the real deal. My ATV is a Honda, my saws are Husqvarna, Stihl, Echo, Dolmar. My engines on my power washers are a Honda, my cordless tools are Dewalt. I am not buying anything that is from stolen designs! I refuse to support this behavior or these products. And nobody is acting like anything just happened. We are highlighting that it IS happening and that it IS WRONG.

This isn't about buying a Chinese product, it's about buying products originating from stolen designs. There is a difference.


To each their own. You can't force people to do the right thing. It's either in you, or it isn't.

So you go to your OEM dealer to buy your OEM parts for your car, truck and tractor?
If your not, your buying cloned parts.

Just saying folks been doing it for many many years. Cant just pick and choose which your going to stand ground on.

 

[JeepHead]

So you go to your OEM dealer to buy your OEM parts for your car, truck and tractor?
If your not, your buying cloned parts.

Just saying folks been doing it for many many years. Cant just pick and choose which your going to stand ground on.

For the most part, yes, I buy OEM parts or high-end aftermarket parts. I am not foolish enough to say that I never mistakenly buy a cloned part....

 

[xyz123]

High end aftermarket = cloned China parts. Just saying.

I'm not paying $600 for my alternator for car, truck etc at OEM. When I can go buy it for $100.

That is my point we all do it and you cant just pick what ground your going to stand firm on.