3-Point Hitch John Deere 5075M hitch problem

/ John Deere 5075M hitch problem #21  
Dealer told me that he tried putting in an order for the regular hitch arms, and the system told him the part was no longer avaiable and to use the HD hitch part numbers.

Yeah, I'll pull one of the arms apart when I get it home to see what, if anything, has changed with the design.
 
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#22  
Yeah thats strange, everything looks standard to me too, but if the dealer says otherwise, lets see what it looks like when it comes in. Perhaps they did redesign them for more strength and reliability (lets hope so at least)

As far as my problem goes, I havent heard from either the JDCCC or my dealer today. Still waiting to see what the story is.
 
/ John Deere 5075M hitch problem #23  
Well, so here are some shots of my hitch. Sure looks like the same standard duty design you have, or?

5085hitch-1.jpg


5085hitch-2.jpg


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/ John Deere 5075M hitch problem #24  
In picture 2 above I see raised numbers on the inside of the right hand lower 3pt arm (the part the end sides into) pcluasen and mbarber84 should see if they each have the same numbers on their lower 3pt arm.
 
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Yeah I`d say thats the standard hitch. Same lock-up system as what I have.

I`ll check the numbers on mine.
 
/ John Deere 5075M hitch problem #26  
They look just like mine... I think they're standard duty.

AKfish
 
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Well...no new updates as of yet guys. I spoke with the JDCCC a few days ago, they couldnt tell me much except that the regional representative was supposed to be on the case. The guy I spoke to at the center pretty much said that, and I quote "If the heavy duty arms arent sold seperately from the upgrade kit, then thats the way it is." Needless to say that is NOT an acceptable answer. My question to him was, if I had spec`d a tractor with the heavy hitch arms, and I accidentally broke one and needed to replace it, I would have to purchase the entire heavy duty upgrade kit just to get the arms?.....didnt get much of an answer. Admittedly, the customer center is somewhat removed from the network and the field, so I`m still working with my dealer as well. He and I have discussed it at length, and both of us are in agreement that this is rediculous. The tractor has now been down for 2 weeks+ ....not what I expected for a $42,000 investment that was paid in full up front. :mad:
 
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I was looking at the first picture pclausen posted above, take note of the telescopic end. Specifically look at the notch where the locking pawl engages. The back face of that notch, the part that takes all the pressure, appears as if its angle in relation to the long axis of the arm is greater than 90°. In my mind, if great pressure was applied to this area between the arm and the pawl, you would think that the pawl could possibly "slide" under pressure to the point that it released....did that make sense? I would think that the angle should be less than 90° to prevent the arm or the pawl from sliding under pressure. Add to that very little space to engage on, and paint build up and you have a potential for disaster. You know, kind of like dropping a $10,000 rotary mower in the field......:(

I apologize if I seem like Im obsessing on this folks, I`m just about at my wits end. :confused2:
 
/ John Deere 5075M hitch problem #29  
Big companies take alot of time to move on something.... Just like it takes a whole lot more time to get the neighbor's big, 'ol Freisien to a gallop! :D

And they can have "policies" that are downright laughable! Somebody definitely dropped a capital "C" off from "commonsense" with the heavy duty draft arm replacement policy! Like Forrest Gump was wont to say: "Stupid is as stupid does"! ;)

If other M owner's might be able to help the situation... I'm open to lending a hand in any way you think might be productive. Let us know.

AKfish
 
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Thanks for the support AK

Im not sure what to do at this point. Im going to give it a few more days before I really jump in to action. I refuse to bow down on this issue. I know Deere is capable of better, and I believe those of us who support them are entitled to some fair treatment.

Im still waiting to see what the regional representative has to say about the whole situation. I suppose if I dont get an acceptable solution from that person, I`ll have to take more action.

I wish I could find more 5M owners who had / have problems with their hitches. We could all get together and file a joint complaint or something of that nature. Im not looking for Deere to bow down and kiss my feet, I just want them to stand behind their product and aknowledge the fact that the standard duty hitches are sub-par and shouldnt be offered. Theres no excuse for it.

I`ll keep you guys posted. If you know of anyone else you could drum up for input, please do so (at your convenience of course) I would greatly appreciate it.
 
/ John Deere 5075M hitch problem #31  
My dealer is looking into the issue. I think I finally got him convinced that I have the standard duty hitch, yet the heavy duty 63mm lift cylinders. His ordering system is not showing a HD hitch as being an ordering option any longer for the 5M. Seems strange indeed.
 
/ John Deere 5075M hitch problem #33  
My dealer is looking into the issue. I think I finally got him convinced that I have the standard duty hitch, yet the heavy duty 63mm lift cylinders. His ordering system is not showing a HD hitch as being an ordering option any longer for the 5M. Seems strange indeed.

pclausen,

As I understood it, through the 2011 model year, the heavy duty hitch was an option on the 5Ms, but for 2012 it became standard equipment. Once it became standard equipment, there would be no reason to have it as an option to order. It was one of the very few options that I didn't order, but after seeing this thread I regret that omission. I have a very heavy duty hydraulically offsetting flail mower which, no doubt, will put some serious stress on those hitch arms.

I wish you luck getting things figured out with your dealer. All of us 5M owners paid quite a bit to buy the most expensive utility tractor that JD makes in the 5Ms size, I'd like to believe that we were getting some real quality R&D and overall build in return.

Island Farmer
 
/ John Deere 5075M hitch problem #34  
My understanding from this discussion is that Deere will NOT sell a customer the HD draft arms with the HD extendable link ends.

They will ONLY sell you the entire upgrade kit. Larger hydraulic lift cylinders, HD rockshaft lift arms and the HD draft arms, link ends, etc.

That's just goofy...

What's the problem with pairing a set of HD replacement draft arms with the HD extendable links and the smaller hydraulic lift cylinders and rockshaft arms? I don't recognize a product liability concern...

The draft links are gonna cause the hyd cylinders to fail; or break the rockshaft arms??? :rolleyes:

With the MY2012 tractor's and the changeover to HD only - definitely gives one the strongest impression that Deere was aware of a shortcoming with link ends.

AKfish
 
/ John Deere 5075M hitch problem #35  
Stumbled upon this today while surfing the net for more information. At least I know Im not crazy....it exists.


Heavy-duty hitch
I found that as well yesterday and sent it to my dealer.

I basically asked him to explain what the difference was between LVB25778 (what is shown in the link above), and option code 8458 (the 63mm cylinders).

Btw, the link to the LVB25778 kit describes the cylinders as being 53mm. Not sure if that is a typo or if option code 8458 includes even larger lift cylinders. I did see the number "63" stamped on one of my cylinders. I'll measure the diameter with a caliber just to make sure what I have.
 
/ John Deere 5075M hitch problem #36  
What's the problem with pairing a set of HD replacement draft arms with the HD extendable links and the smaller hydraulic lift cylinders and rockshaft arms?
Agreed. But selling the larger lift cylinders with the standard duty extendable links and rockshaft arms is asking for trouble. And I think that is what I ended up with.

With the MY2012 tractor's and the changeover to HD only - definitely gives one the strongest impression that Deere was aware of a shortcoming with link ends.
Only from what I'm seeing on my tractor, it would appear that they re-badged the SD hitch as HD and eliminated the HD altogether. That seems completely backwards! Maybe they had a few SD hitches left in the parts bin and decided to use them up before switching over to the HD only hitches? :mad:
 
/ John Deere 5075M hitch problem #37  
Agreed. But selling the larger lift cylinders with the standard duty extendable links and rockshaft arms is asking for trouble. And I think that is what I ended up with.


Only from what I'm seeing on my tractor, it would appear that they re-badged the SD hitch as HD and eliminated the HD altogether. That seems completely backwards! Maybe they had a few SD hitches left in the parts bin and decided to use them up before switching over to the HD only hitches? :mad:

Most definitely!!! That's a serious problem - waiting for a place to happen! :eek:

That's a "64 dollar question"... After you measure the hyd lift cylinders, you might also check the part number for the rockshaft lift arms.

You might have 2/3 of the HD system - cylinders and rockshaft arms - minus the HD draft arms and extendable links.

AKfish
 
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Ok all, heres an update. I spoke with Jake Brown, a JD regional rep who is covering for our regional rep since there was a death in her family. I explained my situation to Jake, including all contact I have had with Deere, my dealer, etc. He was very receptive to my concerns, and I explained how I felt the hitch design was flawed, and certainly not up to the quality standard that the premium 5M series utility tractors should exude. His reply to that was that Deere trys to find middle ground when building tractors so that they can meet demands of different buyers. My rebutle to that was, if a serious tractor operator was looking to buy a tractor he or she could USE, they would go with the 5M line, expecting heavy duty. Standard duty on the top of the line tractor doesnt cut it. If I wanted to cheap`n up the tractor, allow me to spec in a lighter hitch, but standard equipment should be heavy enough to meet the demands. If I wanted a lighter, and cheaper tractor, I would have went with an E series. (Not that they are bad, but they arent on the same level as the M)

In terms of selling me ONLY the lower HD arms, he said "those parts are available through certain channels, but he would not make them available to me because he didnt want the HD arms coupled with standard duty upper components and cylinders for fear of future trouble)

After about 45 minutes of polite and fair talk, he asked what we wanted in order to "make things right". My response was: To allow us to purchase the entire HD hitch upgrade kit at the original price that would have been charged if we would have spec`d the tractor from new. He said that sounded fair and would research the price and get back to me. He called me back after about ten minutes, and explained that the price his books show for the original spec cost on that kit was approx. $1,500. (Basically the same price as what they retail for now through JD Parts, which makes very little sense to me). After seeing that price, Jake said my "dealer was already working pretty well with me, having offered me the kit for their cost $1,100, having a $400 savings." I explained I felt that price was still out of line, and that I shouldnt have to fork out another $1,100 for a problem that I neither wanted nor created on a tractor with under 20hrs operating time, and now going on 3 weeks of down-time. Jake said he "doesnt want us walking away unhappy over this, so we could (im assuming here) make a reasonable counter offer on the kit, and he would take it in to consideration and see what he could do, but there "werent a whole lot of options at this point"

So I have to make a decision and get back to him this week. After discussing it with the other guy I farm with, we feel the offer is NOT reasonable, and Deere needs to do better by us.

This is where you guys come in. What do you think? What would you do? Should we all get together and push the issue?, as it seems I`m not the only one who is dissatisfied with the hitch.

Im curious to hear your thoughts and input...needless to say I am far from satisified how things went today. I kinda feel like Im getting the big Green and Yellow shaft at this point. AK I agree completely with what you said, the more I go through this, the more I feel Deere is WELL AWARE of the shortfall in this standard duty hitch design, but doesnt want to own up to it.
 
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Im currently browsing the JD parts program. If you search for a 5115M (which is the new top-of-the-range 5M, under the hitch section it lists "Draft Link, Standard, Telescopic" and shows a picture of exactly that; the standard duty draft links....the exact same ones that are currently on my tractor down to the same individual part numbers.

At least in the MY 2011 and previous, if you bought a 5105M (now 5115M) you got the HD draft links (with lift-type telescopic locks) as STANDARD equipment. Apparently, the MY2012 range doesnt offer the HD set as standard. Its shown as an attachment or option. See attached picture.

Like someone else previously said, they scratched off the "Standard Duty" markings, and over-stamped them with "Heavy Duty".....wait you see isnt exactly what you get.

I checked the next tractor down MY2012 5100M and under the hitch section, the HD kit appears as listed....the pictures match the HD kit I am currently requesting from Deere...right down to the pull-up type telescopic locking system.....


This just gets more weird by the minute.....
 

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/ John Deere 5075M hitch problem #40  
I don't think the JD rep found the correct option prce for the HD upgrade. Why would the factory charge the same as "parts" when they did not have to supply all the std parts you would have if you bought from parts? Everyone knows the price of the parts is much greater than the price of the whole. I think Henry Ford said "We could give them the car, if they bought all the parts only from us" Or something similar.

I would tell the JD rep, Yes, my JD dealer is willing to work with me to the tune of $400. Now John Deere Corporate should be willing to work with me too, to the tune of, say $600. I'll pay $500 and you can have the replaced parts from a 20 hour tractor just as if it had come with the HD parts it should have.

I would think JD would be happy to settle this for $600 (on paper), bet their "real" cost is less.
 

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