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Maker102

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Central Illinois
Tractor
Kubota L3010 w/FEL
One thing that I have learned is that experience is expensive, hence the reason for my post. I now own a ten acre lake on 14 acres of ground with a 30x50 machine shed. Across the street I own 7.5 acres that is V shaped. I am currently planting trees on one of the legs approximatly 550 and I plan on doing the same to the other side next year. I am planning on building a house on this acreage and intend to put a small 1 acre pond on it. On the lake side I have a gravel road on three sides with the remaining side in pasture. Currently I am reinforcing the sides of the lake with concrete rubble to shore up the sides. The lake is 30 ft deep if that thought crossed your mind. OK now you know what I am going to use a tractor for. Mowing, snow removal, concrete movement, dirt and gravel movement. Now for the 60,000 dollar question: How big of a tractor do you guys recommend? Naturally cost is always an issue so I don't want to cut my nose off and buy a tractor to small and on the other hand I don't want to buy more than what I will actually use. Ok one more thing to throw into the mix I am handicapped and my legs don't work worth a hoot so it would be nice to get one with all hand controls but this is not a necessity as just about anything can be modified to work. Any help would be gratefully appreciated. If you can please include model numbers of what you think might work best. One other quick question I have seen on the web that alot of money can be saved by buying out of state. Are the tractor dealers like car dealers and fix it if its under warrenty? i.e can you take it to any dealer for warrenty work? Thanks again.

Carl
 
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Carl,

I would recommend a TLB with easy access through to the BH as well a thumb attachment (the BH bucket is your 4 fingers and your thumb is - well you get the picture) so to easily pick and place materials to be picked up with the FEL. Planting trees will allow you to dig the hole and place the trees w/o getting off the tractor ( except to remove the wire casing or root ball burlap if you want) In addition the ease of removal and replacement of the BH and ancillary implements should be a consideration.

So which models and whats the cost. Well, from what I have seen the Kubota L48TLB/L35TLB are good units with easy access to the BH, as well the JD 110 has received very good reports on TBN. These all come with a price - $28-40K range.

Depending on your mobility the smaller machines like the BX 22 and B21 TLB units will do the job but however I think the larger units would be the best. These smaller units have a thumb possible but not usual.

BTW add some more info in your profile - may elict a more tactile response.

Regards,

Carl_NH
 
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Thanks Carl appreciate the advise. I do not plan on planting balled trees and I have to ask if that is the reason you recommended a back hoe? Can't I just use the bucket to dig out the pond? Or is the backhoe a much better way to go? I also have to ask what is a FEL? I realize that these are questions that should not have to be asked but hey when you don't know you have to and I'll be dogged if I know. I did update the profile but not much more to add. Thanks again for advise.

Carl
 
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<font color=blue>I also have to ask what is a FEL?</font color=blue>

FEL is the abbrieviation for front end loader, I believe you refer to it as the bucket. Depending on where and what you are digging, the backhoe works much better. I'm not sure as to models, but if I'm not mistaken, the John Deere's have cruise control as an option, might be easier than a regular hydrostatic transmission for you to operate. You might also want to consider something with a gear transmission, I'm sure it could be set up with a hand operated clutch, then its just a matter of selecting the gear and throttle setting for the speed you want. I'm not sure if you're familiar with the hydrostatic transmissions, but with them you push down on the pedal to go , push it down further to go faster.
 
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Carl,
Reading your profile I think the BH is a nice tool to have but if you are moving rubble and grading, with mowing too, a good 30-35HP unit would serve you well. If you want to do a lot of holes, moving debris the BH is well worth the investmnet.

With a tooth bucket for digging and backdragging, or a 4in1 bucket (go to www.carverequippment.com) will allow you to grab things as well grade ,materials such as your drive etc..

Regarding buying on line with the mods you may need I would think a local dealer may serve you best. The prices on line and local dealers can be close 2-5% range depending on sales taxes etc..
With respect to transmissions, Ed makes a good point about the manual versions, as well "cruise control". However the HST's (Hydrostatic) could be easily modified to work with a hand control as well. The continous pressure required to move forward and back on an HST is about 5 lbs down force.

Goo Luck.

Carl
 
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Go to the ASVI.COM sight and look at the RC30 Possitrack. This unit is all hand controlled with a "bucket". If you think you need a backhoe they make them to fit on the loader frame with a quick attach hitch. They have flail and finish mowers, post hole diggers, snow and dozer blades which all fit on the loader. Your bio says central Illinois, Champaign-Urbana has a possitrack dealer if I'm not mistaken. F.Y.I. the John Deere dealer in Vincennes In., has a used RC30 with 200 hours on it that they quoted a price of $13,500. A turkey farmer had bought it and found that it wasn't big enough to pull the decaker (floor cleaner). They can probably be talked down on the price, it is not a Deere. These are good machines and as I said earlier they are completly hand controlled. Good luck!
 
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Maker102:

About two years ago there was a thread on TractorByNet that had an extensive discussion of assistive modifications for tractors. That thread is at this link: <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.tractorbynet.com/cgi-bin/compact/showthreaded.pl?Cat=&Board=owning&Number=8088&page=&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1#Post8088> Handicap up-fit 2710 </A>

Hope this helps.
 
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The New Holland, Boomer line has an excellant open walk through feel to the operators station, there is absolutley nothing underfoot to trip over, which is a large reason why I will get one of the TC35D models eventually.
The backhoe is a really nice attachment to own and does have a lot of possible use's, ie. Placing concrete rubble on the lake banks, digging the pond etc. The down side I would think is that if you don't have a lot of use's for it or if you even have only a couple of uses for it. The cost of $5,000 to $7,000 to buy one would more than pay an excavator to come in and dig the pond with a considerable amount of money left over.
I love having my backhoe attachment, but with 1 years ownership under my belt, I have only used the backhoe once !!. Even though I bought the whole package used, it breaks down to about $4,000 for that one hole. As I use the backhoe more that cost per hole will decrease.
So, to sum up my 2 cents worth, A backhoe attachment is an awesome tool to own but you need to have ALOT of use for it to justify the cost.
 
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Carl,
Welcome to the forum. It sounds like you have a very interesting piece of property. Most of Illinois seems to be covered in corn and soybean so a 10 ac lake sounds pretty nice.

I believe I would be looking in the 30 hp tractor range for your needs. This will be large enough to offer good loader power and still small enough for your future mowing needs. All of the major brands make tractors in this size range and all of them would serve you well. Spend some time reading the forum and take a look at different brands in your area.

I would suggest you contact Steve Carver of Carver Equipment in N. Carolina. Steve is a Kubota dealer and active member on the forum that is very active with the VA and has done modifications on tractors to meet special needs. I am sure that Steve would be willing to offer advice even if you were not interested in the Kubota line. Drop him a note at STEVE@CARVEREQUIPMENT.COM he is a good guy.

When you list your tractor plans, the one area that a compact tractor may disappoint you is digging a 1ac pond. Pond digging is generally best done with larger equipment. With house building, road maintenance and your lake I think you will find plenty to do. Keep us up to date and don’t hesitate to ask lots of questions, most of us have.

MarkV
 
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You might want to check out the Power Trac line of equipment. The only foot controls are the forward and reverse pedals. Everything else is hand operated. All hydraulic, and a quick attach implement system that can't be beat. You don't have to get off of the tractor to change implements, unless it is powered, like a mower or cutter, and then it is only two hydraulic quick disconnects.<A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.power-trac.com>Here's a link, click here to see their website</A>. I imagine that something could be engineered to provide a lever for forward and reverse, to compliment the foot pedals. They make small models like mine all the way up to 65HP monster units. Something in their product line might fit your needs. Good luck in your search /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
 
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Carl:

As a result of a back injury I have 'drop foot' (muscle to right foot & leg from knee down do not work), but have not had any problems with my NH TC45D hydro unit. Deck area is big enough to let me get on/off & move around with no trouble. As for operating the hydro pedals, though my lower leg is not much use from the knee down, I still can use my upper leg muscles to move the lower leg up/dow on the peddles.

Indiana Paul
 
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Wow!! I knew this looked like a decent site when I first found it but dog gone guys you are all really outstanding. I mean you took me by the hand and led me thru this entire process and let me tell you I appreciate all of you for doing it. Its going to take me a day or two to digest all the infomation but I am going to look into each and every item. I have looked at the ASV-30 already but have decided against a Bobcat type skid loader for one major limitation. My lake goes from 0-30 feet deep in about 2.5 feet from the shore. I can see the concrete, Bobcat, and me swimming sooner or later. But I really appreciate the idea. I have looked into Power Trac and well they have one on eBay and have a few questions into the owner but have not received a reply yet. On contacting Steve I am going to send off an email as soon as I finish here. WVBill I especially thank-you for your link. I felt deep in my heart that mods could be done but it sure is nice to see where other people have solved the problems and how they did it. My limitiations (see hate that word handicapped) have not kept me down yet, sooner or later it will but not as long as you don't let it. Anyway thanks again. Mark in NH thanks for your advise. I am not sure on the BH yet but I am leaning away from one. With only 12 acres of actual land well you can do just so much digging and then you run out. But on the other hand you could probabily think of a million things to do with it if you had it. Oh the problems one has!! I will be checking the New Holland line out. Thanks for the tips. And to IndianaPaul thanks for the encouragement. Its good to hear others have overcome.

I know this has been a long post but again I would like to thank everyone for their ideas. As a Newbee to this site I want to say again thanks for taking me under your wings. And if you have any more ideas or suggestions I am still wide open. Thanks again!!

Carl
 
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Make102,

Here is some more free advice. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

Remember that Time is Money. And vice versa.

As you have already done, figure out what jobs you need to get done. AND
if they are continuing jobs like road fixing, snow removal, mowing or one
off jobs like hopefully concrete moving. If its a one time deal its pretty
hard to justify spending lots of dollars to get the job done especially if you
can hire the job out for not much money.

I'm constantly hit in the face with the Time is Money saying when I'm running
my equipment.

One of the reasons that you were given the suggestion to get a Tractor Loader
Backhoe(TLB) is that the "real" backhoe machines allow easy movement from
the "driving" position to the backhoe operating position. Its real helpful if you
have to move the machine alot and then operate the backhoe. I would think
it would be real handy if one did not have good legs.

The other reason for the backhoe suggestion was the use of the thumb attachment
which would make it real easy to move the concrete. However, most of the tractor
mounted backhoes, I have a JD 48, have limited reach. Depending on the slope around
the lake the backhoe might not have the reach to get to the concrete.

The FEL 4n1 bucket is a must have if you have things to grab vs scooping. I have a 4n1
and I would not be without it. Without the 4n1 I think I would loose a good 30% of the
use of my tractor. The 4n1 works like a regular bucket but can open and close.
I use it all the time to grab logs and brush to put into burn piles.

IF you really want to dig your own 1 acre pond you would need an FEL for sure and
most likely a 4n1 as well. When open the 4n1 can function as a dozer blade. But
don't think you have a dozer and it will push up lots of dirt, a tractor likely will not
have the traction. If the soil is rocky a backhoe would help since it could dig holes
which would allow the FEL to move the spoil. It would be time consuming but it
likely could be done depending on how much time you want to spend. IF its a pond
that requires a dam all bets are off. The state likely has lots of rules and regs on
the permits/building/maintaining of a dam. They are almost certainly going to require
soil tests, compaction, etc., which can only be done by large machines.

Besides HST look into JD's PowerReverser tranny. Its a gear tranny with a twist.
There is a lever on the dash that makes the tractor go forward, neutral and reverse.
Once the tractor is in the right gear, moving foward and back is all hand operated
if that is the way you want to do things. It does have a clutch on the left side
and brakes on the right that you would have to make accessible.

For your road fixin make sure you get a box blade and a hydraulic toplink. There
has been lots of discussion on the hydraulic toplinks but what it allows you to
do is easily adjust any three point hitch implement via a lever. You don't have
to get off the tractor to mess with the toplink. Its all done via hydraulics.

And you where afraid your post would be long! /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

Ask more questions, read the past discussions and you will learn quite a
bit. Once, I was able to read ALL the discussion areas on TBN. Not
anymore, just to much danged information! /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif Really read the
attachments discussions. There are conversations about tools you will
never have known about which might solve some of your problems.

Oh! Welcome to The World of TBN! /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

Later...
Dan McCarty
 
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I recently saw a Kubota at the local dealer that had a hand lever attached to the side of the hydro treadle peddle.
Also the Kubota L35 has a easily accessable operators platform and the seat swivels all the way around for bachoe operation.
 
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Hi Kodiak I don't suppose you could snap a picture for me. It sure would help to see what someone else has done for the modifications. I am in deep negotiations right now for a L3410. Thanks
 
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Maker102
Sorry the kubota I saw was in for servicing. So its no longer there. The lever was welded to a plate that appeared to be attached to the bottom of the treadle hst peddle and then came up from the right side of the peddle adjacient to the pivot. It had a slight bend in it to place it closer to the operator, probably to ease travel length. The tech's didn't know who had made it, but all agreed it was probably a local one of a kind.
 

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