Oil & Fuel Home heating fuel in a tractor??

[5030]

Way to go Lem!

You replied to a nearly 16 year old post. You couldn't wait a few days to make it an even 16?

It will take some effort to beat this.

That there is some STALE diesel/////:mur:

 

[Rock Crawler]

yeah, seems the case up here north of you in ny. I try to buy from cheapest sources when i can, but its pretty close in price everywhere you go around my area.
And i`m surely not going to step over a dime to pick up a penny.

I use to come across the border into PA to get whatever i needed, but lately, PA`s prices have jumped way high, more than NY diesel fuel prices now.

PS... hows your ole black lab doin, keepin things in check for yah...??? lol

She's my love, my heart and soul. She's always my Angel

My daughter did add a second dog to the house this year, a yellow lab / red bone hound mix named Red. He's now always beside me and Angel as well. He's growing on me. He's a good little dude.

 

[BX23S-1]

She's my love, my heart and soul. She's always my Angel

My daughter did add a second dog to the house this year, a yellow lab / red bone hound mix named Red. He's now always beside me and Angel as well. He's growing on me. He's a good little dude.View attachment 631842View attachment 631843

Awwwwww, i`m sure Angel is, Larry. Love the pics, such love & loyalty. I miss my Missie girl so much. Lost her 2yrs ago to cancer at age 7.
That`s awesome your daughter taking in another dog. I can tell she`s just as much a dog lover as you are. Congrats!

Home heating oil in a tractor... yeah sometimes people do that around here if they run out of diesel and cant wait for a delivery.
Most people here will also drain their home heating tanks and use it up in the springtime just so they can fill up fresh heating fuel just before winter hits.

 

[RalphVa]

A co-worker of mine, uses home heating fuel in his 7100. This can't be good. He states it is the same fuel as at the pump just a different color and 33% cheaper. What do you thinK?

Think about the only difference is pour point spec. You can get the pour point by using 0.15% of a diesel fuel additive. It's the same distillate from the refinery. The refiners just divert the lower pour point stuff to the diesel pool and the rest to heating oil.

Ralph

 

[JWR]

Around here #1 diesel is what we heat the house with AND I run the tractor on it. I have seen no problems what so ever with it and will continue to do so until I use more than 100 gallons/year, at which time I will get a tank strictly for the tractor. That tank will have #1 in it also.

The #1 is kerosene. Maybe Canadian companies use kerosene for home furnaces but I doubt it and see no reason why they would. A 50/50 mix of #2 normal home heating oil (same thing as diesel fuel) with #1 fuel oil (which is kerosene) is the typical fuel mix for cold climates for diesel machines.

I'll take your word for what you are using but I think you ought to question it and ask a few of your local fuel suppliers. I'm betting whoever you heard it from (that the home heating oil delivered is #1 rather than #2) does not know what he is talking about.


BY THE WAY... those who use home heating oil (#2) in tractors , esp. newer Tier 4 machines, need to be careful. Yes it is the same exact stuff BUT you become vulnerable to sludge, crud and impurities in the home heating oil that your furnace burner does not care about but your high tech sophisticated diesel cares a whole lot !! For starters, there is not a lot of commonality between high pressure diesel injection pumps and the flame thrower in your furnace !! So if you have occasion to transfer fuel from your heating oil tank to your tractor watch out for sludge, bottom scraping by accident,etc.

In the so-called gas war of 1974 one of my neighbors transferred fuel oil from his home heating tank to his VW diesel. Worked fine until he sucked up some crud and had to replace his VW injection pump at major costs. There are several lessons to be learned...

 

[ruffdog]

Most states demand the ULHO heating oil but some still sell stuff that has higher sulfur. If you have a newer tractor, you should know what you are feeding it.

Northeast Cleans Up Its Heating Oil - GreenBuildingAdvisor

 

[BX23S-1]

The #1 is kerosene. Maybe Canadian companies use kerosene for home furnaces but I doubt it and see no reason why they would. A 50/50 mix of #2 normal home heating oil (same thing as diesel fuel) with #1 fuel oil (which is kerosene) is the typical fuel mix for cold climates for diesel machines.

I'll take your word for what you are using but I think you ought to question it and ask a few of your local fuel suppliers. I'm betting whoever you heard it from (that the home heating oil delivered is #1 rather than #2) does not know what he is talking about.


BY THE WAY... those who use home heating oil (#2) in tractors , esp. newer Tier 4 machines, need to be careful. Yes it is the same exact stuff BUT you become vulnerable to sludge, crud and impurities in the home heating oil that your furnace burner does not care about but your high tech sophisticated diesel cares a whole lot !! For starters, there is not a lot of commonality between high pressure diesel injection pumps and the flame thrower in your furnace !! So if you have occasion to transfer fuel from your heating oil tank to your tractor watch out for sludge, bottom scraping by accident,etc.

In the so-called gas war of 1974 one of my neighbors transferred fuel oil from his home heating tank to his VW diesel. Worked fine until he sucked up some crud and had to replace his VW injection pump at major costs. There are several lessons to be learned...

Here in NYS, we`ve been regulated to 15ppm since 2011 or 2012, so not much to worry about here i dont believe.

 

[aczlan]

Here in NYS, we`ve been regulated to 15ppm since 2011 or 2012, so not much to worry about here i dont believe.

That is what I've been told by various people who work in the industry.
To be 100% clear, they say that (in Upstate NY) on-road diesel, off road diesel and home heating oil are all the same #2 diesel, all three come out of the same tank at the distribution depot, but off road diesel and home heating oil get red dye injected in as they go into the tank on the truck.

Aaron Z

 

[moship]

A co-worker of mine, uses home heating fuel in his 7100. This can't be good. He states it is the same fuel as at the pump just a different color and 33% cheaper. What do you thinK?

I'm wondering if the OP really cares about how much sulfur or other changes have been made in diesel fuel over the past 16 years. His question had nothing to do with Tier 4 requirements as they were a decade away.

Perhaps if anyone is interested a new thread can be started.

I hope the OP is still not waiting for a viable answer to the original post.

 

[BX23S-1]

That is what I've been told by various people who work in the industry.
To be 100% clear, they say that (in Upstate NY) on-road diesel, off road diesel and home heating oil are all the same #2 diesel, all three come out of the same tank at the distribution depot, but off road diesel and home heating oil get red dye injected in as they go into the tank on the truck.

Aaron Z

They only do it so that they can (tax) steel more dollars out your wallet. The Goober`ment, the route of all evil onto its own people!

 

[BX23S-1]

I'm wondering if the OP really cares about how much sulfur or other changes have been made in diesel fuel over the past 16 years. His question had nothing to do with Tier 4 requirements as they were a decade away.

Perhaps if anyone is interested a new thread can be started.

I hope the OP is still not waiting for a viable answer to the original post.

Sure, i ain`t bashful, i`ll go start one! I happen to think this is a great topic with where it ended up after 16yrs!

 

[PILOON]

LOL, at one time I was given some aircraft JET fuel .
Well that is about as close to kerosene as U wish and my tractor just loved it.

Diesel, Jet fuel and off road is all very closely the same other than the dye to identify who pays taxes.
Kerosene is also in that ballpark.

Actually my supplier suggested that for cold winter operation I should use kerosene vs diesel to avoid gelling.
(I opted to use cheaper fuel and simply use anti gelling additives.)
No regrets for 8 years now.

Once you gell up you'll never do so again. LOL.

 

[JWR]

LOL, at one time I was given some aircraft JET fuel .
Well that is about as close to kerosene as U wish and my tractor just loved it.

Diesel, Jet fuel and off road is all very closely the same other than the dye to identify who pays taxes.
Kerosene is also in that ballpark.

Actually my supplier suggested that for cold winter operation I should use kerosene vs diesel to avoid gelling.
(I opted to use cheaper fuel and simply use anti gelling additives.)
No regrets for 8 years now.

Once you gell up you'll never do so again. LOL.

I've said way too many times on other threads but just mix 50/50 #2 fuel oil and #1 kerosene and you will be fine for very cold diesel tractor operation. Running JUST #1 for long periods is not a good idea.

 

[BX23S-1]

I've said way too many times on other threads but just mix 50/50 #2 fuel oil and #1 kerosene and you will be fine for very cold diesel tractor operation. Running JUST #1 for long periods is not a good idea.

I`ll agree with JWR, i just posted on another thread that i have a couple friends that live in Nome Alaska and i`ve heard them talk about a 50/50 mix of diesel & kerosene. But just running straight kerosene, bad idea.

 

[moship]

I find the #2 vs #1 debate interesting along with the other fuel discussions How about if everyone simply goes to their owners manual or WSM and reads the fuel requirements. Of course this may change with tractor model but below is a copy and past from my L4740-3 WSM and I've seen similar in other manuals.

Fuel
Cetane number of 45 minimum. Cetane number greater then 50 is preferred, especially for temperatures
below −20 ｰC (−4 ｰF) or elevations above 1500 m (5000 ft).
If diesel fuel with sulfur content greater than 0.5 % sulfur content in used, reduce the service interval for
engine oil and filter by 50 %.
DO NOT use diesel fuel with sulfur content greater than 1.0 %.
Diesel fuels specified to EN 590 or ASTM D975 are recommended.
No.2-D is a distillate fuel of lower volatility for engine in industrial and heavy mobile service. (SAE J313
JUB87)
Since this engine adopts EPA Tier 4 and Interim Tier 4 standards, the use of low sulfur fuel or ultra low
sulfur fuel is mandatory in EPA regulated area (North America). Therefore, please use No.2-D S500 or S15
diesel fuel as an alternative to No.2-D, or use No.1-D S500 or S15 diesel fuel as an alternative to No.1-D if
outside air temperature is below −10 ｰC (14 ｰF).

In another section of WSM:
No. 2-D diesel fuel
No. 1-D diesel fuel if temperature is below ?0 ｰC (14 ｰF)


So while everyone is worried about diesel fuel, how many are able to buy diesel fuel in their area that meets the minimum 45 cetane rating? My guess is that less than 1% of the folks in North America can even buy the recommended fuel.

Just how important is Cetane rating... It's called out as a root cause in the Troubleshooting Section of "Engine does not start". The 5th item to check is Fuel with low cetane number. Given that it is 5th item out of 18 listed items to check it is relatively important.

 

[BX23S-1]

I find the #2 vs #1 debate interesting along with the other fuel discussions How about if everyone simply goes to their owners manual or WSM and reads the fuel requirements. Of course this may change with tractor model but below is a copy and past from my L4740-3 WSM and I've seen similar in other manuals.

Fuel
Cetane number of 45 minimum. Cetane number greater then 50 is preferred, especially for temperatures
below −20 ｰC (−4 ｰF) or elevations above 1500 m (5000 ft).
If diesel fuel with sulfur content greater than 0.5 % sulfur content in used, reduce the service interval for
engine oil and filter by 50 %.
DO NOT use diesel fuel with sulfur content greater than 1.0 %.
Diesel fuels specified to EN 590 or ASTM D975 are recommended.
No.2-D is a distillate fuel of lower volatility for engine in industrial and heavy mobile service. (SAE J313
JUB87)
Since this engine adopts EPA Tier 4 and Interim Tier 4 standards, the use of low sulfur fuel or ultra low
sulfur fuel is mandatory in EPA regulated area (North America). Therefore, please use No.2-D S500 or S15
diesel fuel as an alternative to No.2-D, or use No.1-D S500 or S15 diesel fuel as an alternative to No.1-D if
outside air temperature is below −10 ｰC (14 ｰF).

In another section of WSM:
No. 2-D diesel fuel
No. 1-D diesel fuel if temperature is below ?0 ｰC (14 ｰF)


So while everyone is worried about diesel fuel, how many are able to buy diesel fuel in their area that meets the minimum 45 cetane rating? My guess is that less than 1% of the folks in North America can even buy the recommended fuel.

Just how important is Cetane rating... It's called out as a root cause in the Troubleshooting Section of "Engine does not start". The 5th item to check is Fuel with low cetane number. Given that it is 5th item out of 18 listed items to check it is relatively important.

I`ve never seen a gas station have a cetane rating any higher than 40. Nobody seems to complain about it being at 40 here.
Only complaints i hear about around my area is the amount of water they find in it.

And we dont even know how much ethanol is getting mixed into the ground tanks from the tanker trucks during dumps.
Ethanol attracts moisture. Now we have less sulfur content, which use to take care of most of the bacteria problems that the water caused.

So today, we have all these additives that claim to do this and do that. Then we`re all left with the trust factor... which ones work, which ones dont, what to use, what not to use.
Then when we read manuals telling us to use this and not that... leaves a lot of mass confusion for alot of people.

 

[Paystar]

That is what I've been told by various people who work in the industry.
To be 100% clear, they say that (in Upstate NY) on-road diesel, off road diesel and home heating oil are all the same #2 diesel, all three come out of the same tank at the distribution depot, but off road diesel and home heating oil get red dye injected in as they go into the tank on the truck.

Aaron Z

That's how it is here in Northern Ontario. We own a truck stop/gas station so I talk to our fuel suppliers regularly. And our home heating oil went ultra low sulfur at the same time it was mandated in the on-road fuel. And like I said, they told us there is no longer summer and winter fuel here. It is now all treated the same all year round. (Petro Canada anyway.)

My tractors and furnace run on both on and off road fuel....whatever I happen to put in my tank.

 

[mini14]

what fuel one person uses to power their machines and or vehicle is all relative to that persons situation. Newer electronic injectors or older mechanical injectors, will require certain fuels in certain situations. I have machines and trucks that are old and newer. I try to just use regular Diesel from fuel stations because I am under the assumption it is filtered and relatively free of water. Water being the cause of most contamination issues. I learned lessons from old timers trying to save a few cents in the short run, only to pay a few dollars in repairs in the long run