Oil & Fuel Home heating fuel in a tractor??

SkyPup · Dec 8, 2003

As a matter of fact, sulfur is on its way OUT of every distillate in the entire USA, including Alaska which has had and exemption due to the long distance transport of fuels to there.

In 2006, all road diesel will contain MAXIMUM 15 ppms sulfur in any form (the thisulfates are the most difficult to remove from the crude).

So if you love sulfur in your middle distillates, sniff sniff, it will soon be gone and everything will be so much nicer! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

BTW, all gasoline products will also contain max 15ppms sulfur too!

Of course, if you really love pollution, you can always purchase a couple of kilos of raw sulfur at the pharmacy and add it to your tractor fuel for some nostalgia.

BTW, ULSD (Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel), will NOT be an option after 2006, it will be the only choice, so better stock up on the rotgut stuff now.....

Junkman · Dec 8, 2003

SkyPup.......... You seem to be awfully worked up on this subject...... is there something that I and the others are missing? I can't ever remember anyone ever getting this riled up about a simple fuel question..... is there some agenda to your postings?????? It seems that all the people that handle the product seem to be in agreement that they are the same, but you seem to be fixated on them being different.. What gives????? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

JerryG · Dec 8, 2003

Junkman,
Could one say for the love of trees!!!
hugger???

TomD · Dec 9, 2003

Daryl,

I have to agree with you on the "PIG" issue. The company I work for makes magnetic inspection gauges for the petroleum industry. Actually they use the term PIG for "Pipeline Inspection Gauge" That's all I can offer on this subject, don't know a whole lot about fuels.

Tom

slowzuki · Dec 9, 2003

They use pigs frequently in the refinery and pipelines here. As a note, some pipelines just don't work well with pigs so they must do what the other poster said and flare it off.

I suspect home heating fuel is different depending where you live.

Home heating fuel in Canada is of much lower quality. I suspect they substitute off-road diesel sometimes when stocks are low.

A good friend of mine worked in the largest refinery in the world for 8 months, I'll have to ask him the details.

I agree that the hhf generally has higher sulfur content. This does translate in SOx in the exhaust, contributing to acid rain.

The higher sulfur fuel's properties were obviously designed to in older diesel engines, newer engines from Japan and Europe have probably been designed for low-sulfur fuel.

It sounds like the old unleaded gas is going to ruin the world kinda discussion. Obstacles will be overcome! I welcome the intro of low-sulfur fuel as it is a step towards implementing some of the advanced diesel technology the europe has.

The fuels efficiency of diesels needs to come to North America but public opinion here is they are smoking cancer causing engines. Anything that can help clean them and their public opinion up is welcome.

F350Lawman · Dec 9, 2003

"So if you love sulfur in your middle distillates, sniff sniff, it will soon be gone and everything will be so much nicer!

BTW, all gasoline products will also contain max 15ppms sulfur too!

Of course, if you really love pollution, you can always purchase a couple of kilos of raw sulfur at the pharmacy and add it to your tractor fuel for some nostalgia"

From your profile I see you're a genetic engineer. Based on your style of debating, it seems you've perfected the nanny-nanny-boo-boo gene! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

CTyler · Dec 9, 2003

ROTFLMAO!!!

5030 · Dec 9, 2003

F350Lawman:

If he is a genetic engineer does that mean he had something to do with the "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?? or maybe Arnold's transformation in Terminator?? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

I should probably capitalize "Genetic Engineer" . It is a title. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Come to think of it, I should be capitalized too---truck driver---Steering Wheel Holder. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Junkman · Dec 9, 2003

Hey guys.... it is not fair to pick on people in academia that don't live in the same working world as us ordinary working people. It is people like him that will someday find cures for the things that ail the common working tractor man that insists on poisons our lungs and air with sulfur laden home heating oil emissions.
It is a good thing that our government is working hard on a program to allow the polluters to pollute more and the companies that spend the money to abate pollution are allowed to sell their pollution credits, that they will no longer need, to those companies that need to clean up their pollution problems, but find that purchasing pollution credits is a less expensive alternative.
We now return you to our normal programming... where using home heating oil in a tractor is not considered such a bad thing after all, by comparison..... /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

5030 · Dec 9, 2003

Very, very well spoken, Lord Junkman, oh hallowed one.

F350Lawman · Dec 9, 2003

Maybe.

Thanks for reminding me of all the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle junk I had to by my son just so he could move on to the next kiddie craze! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

I just couldn't take it. Why would anyone get so fired up about the great "home heating oil vs. diesel debate"??? /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

DigginBota · Dec 12, 2003

I don't want to beat a dead horse but you might want to consider one more interesting point - carbon residue in #2 fuel oil is more than double that in #1. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif I don't want any extra carbon buildup in my new bota cylinders. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif Check out this Cheveron link lots of interesting technical stuff Chevron Diesel Comparison

CTyler · Dec 15, 2003

The heating oil and offroad(#2)diesel come off the same truck
here. Only diff is the money paid for one vs the other.

JerryG · Dec 15, 2003

From my experience working on diesels, the only time that there is any significant amount of carbon build up is when there is another problem with the fuel system. This is stated about engines using only #2 diesel.

gerard · Dec 15, 2003

I'll stay away from the environmental/moral/pollution aspects but will say in my experience there's no problem using home heating oil which IS the same product as off road diesel, skypup to the contrary. Is it as filtered? Don't know. That's why my tractor has a fuel filter. For extra precaution I put a nylon stocking in my funnel and pour through that. Any large debris never would even make it into the tank. I have 430 hours on my tractor without a problem using heating oil pumped right from my house tank. It's not the cost savings so much since I use so little, it's just a lot more convenient than lugging tanks to the gas station. I use an additive in the winter which boosts the cetane and prevents gelling so that's not an issue. Extra sulfur is mechanically a good thing on older tractors though newer versions ARE designed to run on lower sulfur fuels. Doesn't mean they HAVE to. Sulfur has been removed from fules due to the environmental concerns and acid rain. Has nothing to do with being harmful to the engine...........

F350Lawman · Dec 15, 2003

I don't want to beat a dead horse but you might want to consider one more interesting point - carbon residue in #2 fuel oil is more than double that in #1. I don't want any extra carbon buildup in my new bota cylinders. Check out this Cheveron link lots of interesting technical stuff Chevron Diesel Comparison

I'll say it again, we are worrying about nothing. I just went to get feed at another friend's farm. His fuel delivery oil truck was filling his house when I arrived and his 300 gallon tractor tank when I left. These fellas run their tractors, longer, harder,and with less time for mainteneance than you and I ever will with NO problems.

These farmers depend on their tractors and they trust good old HH oil/#2 Diesel, that's good enough for me! Your Bota's motor will likely out live both of us on the stuff. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Junkman · Dec 15, 2003

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I don't want to beat a dead horse but you might want to consider one more interesting point - carbon residue in #2 fuel oil is more than double that in #1. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif I don't want any extra carbon buildup in my new bota cylinders. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif Check out this Cheveron link lots of interesting technical stuff Chevron Diesel Comparison )</font>

I hate to see you use #1 diesel in your "Bota" because #1 is used in areas where the average temperature is below 14 degrees Fahrenheit or -10 degrees Celsius.. I know that it gets cold in Maryland, but I never thought about it being that cold for any sustained periods... /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

sandyc · Dec 16, 2003

If I ever tapped the heating tank just to save a few cents and our heat went off because we ran out of fuel because the auto-delivery based on degrees days couldn't factor in tractor useage...well, I guess my wife might not take to kindly to that.

Besides, the gas station is kind of close to the 'Bota dealer and I don't mind stopping in to browse around while getting fuel.

MDNick · Dec 16, 2003

Sandyc,

I can hear it now.

Wife: It's cold in here, I think the furnace is out. Are we out of oil??? DID YOU USE THE OIL IN YOUR *^$*%$ TRACTOR???

You: But honey, I got lots of seat time and the driveway is clear.

I seriously doubt you would be out of trouble! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Nick

tc35dforme · Dec 16, 2003

I run mostly home heating oil ... I recently had a relay fail on my tractor.... I'm thinking now that its because I don't pay the extra money for the fuel taxes. Maybe the Government has some sort of funky way of getting us ... some genetically engineered microbe in the home heating oil that eats realys ... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif