hobby farm tractor

[sd455dan]

"for every 1 Korean tractor, there were 500 JD or Kubota tractors sold"

That is not even close to correct, not anymore anyway.

Neil from Messack's did a Youtube video not too long ago where he let slip a bombshell statistic that between JD and Kubota combined, they only hold 65-75% of the US market share (in the up to 50 hp market). You may think that is huge, but it used to be MUCH greater, 80-90% just a few decades prior. So the "big guys" are losing market share at a fairly significant rate.

He also stated in this video, that there are now 10 times more small tractors (up to 50 hp) sold new in the market than there are large Ag tractors. So the CUT/SCUT market is pretty big in general.

I personally think that drop in market share will continue at the same rate, as the "Big 2" are just ripe for the taking. At least around here, their dealers act like they are too big to fail and that customers are lucky to have them and owe them their allegiance. Much like IH's market attitude in the 60's and 70's.

Much of your concern about dealer and service support is quite valid. Some brands and dealers come and go like a fart in a skillet. Some get bought out (Branson's parent company, Kukje, was bought by TYM and their product line was folded into the TYM product line, for example). And some disappear entirely. In my case, my dealer is long gone. There are still TYM dealers (some are former Branson dealers, and some are not) around, but the only one in my state now is over 4 hrs away, which may as well be on the moon to be any good to me. TYM is trying to get more market share and open more dealers around the country, but it seems a slow process.

But it would take a company with the long term fortitude to survive and make deep inroads into the US market to really penetrate well. Think of what Kubota went through in the 60's and 70's in order to penetrate the US market. Once derided and vilified by the "Big 2" of the day (JD and IH), they are now firmly entrenched as a market mainstay.

Maybe another company will come along and do the same? Maybe TYM (with a ton of money to spend), but maybe not. It will take a long term philosophy to weather that storm that most corp's (especially US ones) no longer have. A "Day Trader" investment attitude will never get it there. It would take a major investment and the fortitude to weather the losses for a decade or more to make something like that happen.

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Saw this a couple days ago about the way JD terminated some of it's it's US workers and recalled a lot of the low tier D105 riding mowers that had the ill fated plastic transaxles but did nothing for people who got fed up and traded or just sold them for parts. Black Rock buying 17 million shares of JD is not helping Product or Company Loyalty.

 

[jeff9366]

Kubota L3710 Power
Engine (gross):	38.5 hp 28.7 kW
Engine (net):	36.6 hp 27.3 kW
Gear PTO (claimed):	31.5 hp 23.5 kW
Hydro PTO (claimed):	30 hp 22.4 kW

Kubota L3710 Weight
4WD gear :	2,955 lbs 1340 kg
Hydro :	2,990 lbs 1356 kg
Hydro cab :	3,490 lbs 1583 kg

 

[Slowpoke Slim]

Lol, ok Jeff

 

[Slowpoke Slim]

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Saw this a couple days ago about the way JD terminated some of it's it's US workers and recalled a lot of the low tier D105 riding mowers that had the ill fated plastic transaxles. Real Classy.

Serious question (no I'm not trying to 'diss JD)

Does JD even make those little riders?

I thought they were subbed out by someone else and just painted green?

 

[big bubba]

OP: look into a tractor that has extendable rear arms to ease 3 pt hookups, makes hooking up far easier.

 

[jeff9366]

 

[sd455dan]

Serious question (no I'm not trying to 'diss JD)

Does JD even make those little riders?

I thought they were subbed out by someone else and just painted green?

everything I have read said Greeneville Tennessee

I like JD mowers and do have an X 500 , what got me in the vid was the WAY workers were let go. One commenter said maybe a Deere John letter would have been better.

I also would personally consider buying a TYM "Branson" if buying a new CUT but JD does have a really Good local shop and dealership if problems arise.

 

[bigtiller]

We are looking to replace an older Kubota 3710 for our 40 acre hobby farm (photo below) with another used tractor. We use the bucket a lot, cultivator and mowing deck attachments (for pastures and gardens), but hooking them up to the PTO is a real pain. Looking for advice on replacement tractor. The mid-mounted permanent mower decks sound great but then you sacrifice ground clearance. I don't pretend to be mechanically gifted and appreciate any advice.

I side with a few others here, don't replace it, add to it. 2 tractors are better than one. And the best way to improve on that is to buy a third unit that is dedicated to mowing.

 

[DK35vince]

When I think of a large purchase like a tractor, I want something that will last the long haul. I bought my tractor with the intentions on having it until I die. So with that said, I wanted something that I knew parts support would still be there decades down the road. I did a LOT of research. I spoke to tractor mechanics, I spoke to service centers, and I spoke to owners. What I learned from the service centers and mechanics at independent shops was that brands like TYM, Kioti, Branson etc., they had a LOT of issues with parts support. One service center said they had Kioti's sitting in the back lot waiting months on parts. I also seen some of these off-brand tractor dealers open shop and then close down within a few years. So I had no faith in these little dealers selling the Korean tractors. The one thing I heard over and over was if you wanted a long term reliability, then you needed to look at Deere and Kubota. They sell more tractors than anyone else, for every 1 Korean tractor, there were 500 JD or Kubota tractors sold. So years down the road, chances are you'll find a part for these tractors before you'll find one for the lesser known tractors. That was important to me. Another isse I had with the Korean tractors was I felt they used inferior steel in their construction. I see far more steel related issues in these tractors than what I do in JD or Kubota. The parts support is getting better with the Korean tractors but I am not just talking about today's parts supply, but also the parts supply for them 30 years from now. While there will be ten's of thousands of old used JD's and Kubotas around, there won't be near as many of the off-brand Korean tractors out there.

I also wanted no part of the whole emissions world they put on these tractors. I have dealt with the emission issues on my diesel trucks and it was costly. So with my tractor, I wanted a bare bones, no emissions, all mechanical tractor that didn't need all of these sensors to run properly.

I chose a Kubota L2502 and it's an awesome tractor that does everything I could ask for on my 20 acres. And as many of these that are sold, I should be able to find parts for it even 30 years from now.

We all have different opinions and this one is mine...

Strange, I have owned my Korean tractor (Kioti DK 35) for 23 years and I have yet to have a single problem with parts or inferior build quality like you say. Never been back to the dealer.
I've run my dads Kubota l3000 and l 4600 many times, if they are better built machines, you would have to show me where !
My previous tractor was a John Deere 850. Was it a better made, more reliable machine than my Kioti DK = NO.

 

[ericm979]

Extendable lower links for the 3710 are $385 each from Messicks. For about $750 I'd do that first. For my Deere they're $1100. They are easy to replace for the home mechanic.

Hydraulic top and side links that you can operate from behind the tractor also make hooking up easier but the telescoping lower links are the most useful.

 

[Paystar]

Why not another Kubota?
Sorry for the link to a competing forum, but I was a member of MTF before I found TBN. But anyway, I made a thread with many of my project pics with my 2013 Kubota and to this day I have only had to make ONE repair after all that work. The weld on the loader joystick failed and the joystick fells off, so I replaced it.
Other than fluids, filters, tires and battery this Kubota has been absolutely trouble free. It starts in minus 40 not plugged in, never ever fails me. I'm a believer in Kubota reliability. There's no doubt why reefer motors on transports, and many small Caterpillar machines, etc use Kubota engines.

My B2620 Pics

www.mytractorforum.com

 

[Paystar]

My AGCO/Masseys have very easy hook up on PTO splines. They are chamfered to allow easy slide-on.
Don’t know if smaller ones are like that.

I know Kubota didn’t have that feature.

My little Kubota's do.

 

[JONNY BOYYY]

We are looking to replace an older Kubota 3710 for our 40 acre hobby farm (photo below) with another used tractor. We use the bucket a lot, cultivator and mowing deck attachments (for pastures and gardens), but hooking them up to the PTO is a real pain. Looking for advice on replacement tractor. The mid-mounted permanent mower decks sound great but then you sacrifice ground clearance. I don't pretend to be mechanically gifted and appreciate any advice.

if you get a deere,kubota,or massey ,you wont have any problems..if you buy a cheaper chinese or indian tractor,you will most likely have problems for getting parts for warranty work...your choice...

 

[DarkBlack]

It starts in minus 40 not plugged in, never ever fails me.

Your machine is at -40, with no block heater, and you decide that’s when you want to start and run your open station tractor outside?

 

[Paystar]

Your machine is at -40, with no block heater, and you decide that’s when you want to start and run your open station tractor outside?

That's what it's for....snow blowing the driveway and moving snow with the loader.

I have 0W40 Petro Canada synthetic engine oil in all my diesels and they start no problem.

The only ones I run in winter are the 55 Allis, the Kubota B2620 and the Kubota RTV-X1100C with the Boss plow. They are more reliable starters than some of my vehicles, LOL

 

[saxtonhill]

Is that because it's a gear transmission and you want a HST? Or is hooking the PTO most of the problem?

It's a lot cheaper to buy a quick hitch for the 3 point hitch and maybe a new driveline for the PTO vs. selling this and buying another tractor.

For quick hitches, I like Pat's since it moves the implement 4" farther back and I have more room to attach the PTO. I hook up the lower links by just backing up to the implement and lifting the 3 point hitch. It locks onto the pins of the implement without getting off (most times )

Instead of the turn buckles for the 3 point hitch, I upgraded to Adjustable stabilizer bars. They hold the 3 point arms in place (give or take a little).

I would also, buy a new seat and a canopy for your tractor, spend money fixing that one up vs. spending on trading it.

If OP is concerned about the 3pt hookup, I agree completely about Pat's Quick Hitch. It's a wonderful piece of equipment.

 

[Fxfymn413]

The only shortcoming of the Pat's QH is it puts the implement about 2 inches further back from the tractor. You may need to add an extension to your top link, particularly if you use a hydraulic top link.

I agree hooking up a pto can be a pia, but if you keep the splines coated in anti-seize lubricant it is easier. In the case of a mower it is also important to keep the blades far enough up and off of the ground so you can manually turn the mower shaft to align it with the tractor. I park my bush hog on 6x6 blocks to accomplish that.

 

[Shooter65]

When I think of a large purchase like a tractor, I want something that will last the long haul. I bought my tractor with the intentions on having it until I die. So with that said, I wanted something that I knew parts support would still be there decades down the road. I did a LOT of research. I spoke to tractor mechanics, I spoke to service centers, and I spoke to owners. What I learned from the service centers and mechanics at independent shops was that brands like TYM, Kioti, Branson etc., they had a LOT of issues with parts support. One service center said they had Kioti's sitting in the back lot waiting months on parts. I also seen some of these off-brand tractor dealers open shop and then close down within a few years. So I had no faith in these little dealers selling the Korean tractors. The one thing I heard over and over was if you wanted a long term reliability, then you needed to look at Deere and Kubota. They sell more tractors than anyone else, for every 1 Korean tractor, there were 500 JD or Kubota tractors sold. So years down the road, chances are you'll find a part for these tractors before you'll find one for the lesser known tractors. That was important to me. Another isse I had with the Korean tractors was I felt they used inferior steel in their construction. I see far more steel related issues in these tractors than what I do in JD or Kubota. The parts support is getting better with the Korean tractors but I am not just talking about today's parts supply, but also the parts supply for them 30 years from now. While there will be ten's of thousands of old used JD's and Kubotas around, there won't be near as many of the off-brand Korean tractors out there.

I also wanted no part of the whole emissions world they put on these tractors. I have dealt with the emission issues on my diesel trucks and it was costly. So with my tractor, I wanted a bare bones, no emissions, all mechanical tractor that didn't need all of these sensors to run properly.

I chose a Kubota L2502 and it's an awesome tractor that does everything I could ask for on my 20 acres. And as many of these that are sold, I should be able to find parts for it even 30 years from now.

We all have different opinions and this one is mine...

I agree completely.

 

[Ceckert64]

We are looking to replace an older Kubota 3710 for our 40 acre hobby farm (photo below) with another used tractor. We use the bucket a lot, cultivator and mowing deck attachments (for pastures and gardens), but hooking them up to the PTO is a real pain. Looking for advice on replacement tractor. The mid-mounted permanent mower decks sound great but then you sacrifice ground clearance. I don't pretend to be mechanically gifted and appreciate any advice.

FWIW, I'd throw Yanmar into the mix for consideration.

I've had great luck with my 2008 EX-3200 (32hp) which i bought used over 10 years ago. I use it for logging, snow plowing, brush hogging and grading for ~80 acres of mostly wooded land. While I take care of my equipment, I treat this tractor like a rented mule. (Like all guys after they buy their first compact utility tractor, i wish i bought more power. As a result, i'm always pushing it to the limit) Other than one leaking seal on the FEL cylinder, its been rock solid without any problems. While mine was the co-branded Cub Cadet/Yanmar, its my understanding that it was entirely built by Yanmar. its also my understanding that in that era, Yanmar was building the mid-size JD's (24hp-40hp) at the same factory in GA; only difference was 20% price premium for green paint.
( JD tractors that Yanmar builds/has built:

https://tractors.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_tractors_built_by_Yanmar_for_other_companies)

My local Cub Cadet dealer still carries the Yanmar line....the only thing i've needed are fluids and filters and they always have whatever i need on hand.

Regarding the PTO, I saw someone mentioned doping up the splines with anti-seize. I've been doing the same thing for years and i never have any trouble hooking up drive shafts.

 

[Mudfarmer]

To OP. KEEP WHAT YOU HAVE. Unless something is severely broken you will not be able to get a better new tractor. Talk to a dealer about getting a hydraulic top link and consider Pat's three-point attachments to make three-point hook-ups easier. Be happy with the uncomplicated diesel power you have - don't even think that a new tractor with all the required emissions stuff will make life easier.