Hay Equipment full set

[Robert_in_NY]

If you drop your barn height to 16' side walls you will not be able to use a New Holland self propelled stack wagon in the future. If you do plan on doing small square bales try to figure out how you are going to get the bales from the field into the barn. If a stack wagon is something you think might be in your future then build your barn right ahead of time instead of kicking yourself later.

My first year of haying I cut and baled around 125 acres of small square bales. This was a lot of work for one person and a qualified helper. If you plan on doing 250 acres I do hope you have someone to help you run equipment.

As for equipment, I am not sure if New Holland still has their deals on new hay equipment going but if you are looking for high end used equipment you might just want to look at new and try to get a great interest rate. Used equipment always has a higher interest rate and unless you can pay the loan off quick it will add up fast.

One other thing to consider is to possibly hire some of the work done your first year and see how things go. If you are making a good return you can either keep hiring that part done or buy the equipment to do it. I would look at hiring someone to either cut or bale your first year. If you hire someone to bale they might have the equipment to move the bales to your barn for you also.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

ddivinia, have you looked at Pronovost for a hay trailer? Pronovost-auto-load bale handler There is a video that shows the trailer in action if you go to the website. If I was doing round bales I would strongly consider buying this trailer as it looks like it would make short work of removing bales from the field.

 

[chh]

ddivinia those trailers are slick. I have been seriously considering selling my 2 wide trailer and getting the inline. They really make delivery a snap since you don't have to have a tractor to unload with.

Ya guys all the online trader sites ever morning. I have 2 likely prospects lined up to look at early next week.

 

[ddivinia]

ddivinia, have you looked at Pronovost for a hay trailer? Pronovost-auto-load bale handler There is a video that shows the trailer in action if you go to the website. If I was doing round bales I would strongly consider buying this trailer as it looks like it would make short work of removing bales from the field.

Wow, that is cool. How much do they cost?

I was really leaning towards one I can deliver hay if necessary. I am thinking 32' gooseneck. Still need a tractor in the field, but not on the unload.

D.

 

[ddivinia]

ddivinia those trailers are slick. I have been seriously considering selling my 2 wide trailer and getting the inline. They really make delivery a snap since you don't have to have a tractor to unload with.

Ya guys all the online trader sites ever morning. I have 2 likely prospects lined up to look at early next week.

Cool deal. I will keep an eye out for you. I had a lot of feelers out.

Talk to your dealers. A lot of people trade balers in once a year. I guess to only make payments for a short time and also so they have a nice new baler. I know a lot of custom balers that get new round balers every year or two to reduce break downs, etc.

Square balers - they pretty much use them forever and hand them down.

I have a lead on a JD 348 twine baler that is about a yr old. The guy wants a wire baler. Twine is fine for me. I am looking for a 348 cheap In Texas, wire balers are the norm. A used late model twine JD baler - somebody is going to take a bath on it.

D.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Wow, that is cool. How much do they cost?

I was really leaning towards one I can deliver hay if necessary. I am thinking 32' gooseneck. Still need a tractor in the field, but not on the unload.

D.

Pull it behind a JCB Fastrac. Then you can use it to retrieve and deliver

 

[Slippy]

What do you all think of the IH balers? I have been told the NH and IH are exactly the same, but painted different colors. Found a 1 yr old 562 for $25k. Is this unit any good? Good price?

The dealers closest to me are NH and JD. How important is that? IH is a lot further away. IH has a pre-season check up deal where they will come out for cheap or very small fee and go over your unit.

Have been giving the size issues a lot of thought. Seems to be a trade off here. I am told the IH 562 makes a five foot bale in any size but will always be 5' wide. They make a 462 and 552 as well. This year they are now in the 4 series so the numbers are 564, 554 and 464. So with a 4x6 bale do you get 24 sq feet of hay, or how do they measure it? 5x5 25 sq feet?

Is it important to match the cutter to the baler for any reason? Same for the rake. Got a quote on a Sitrex 10 wheel for $7500.

Is there a match up one should look for in size for the equipment across the board?

 

[Slippy]

Oh yea, what a neat trailer. What do they cost?

 

[Robert_in_NY]

What do you all think of the IH balers? I have been told the NH and IH are exactly the same, but painted different colors. Found a 1 yr old 562 for $25k. Is this unit any good? Good price?

The dealers closest to me are NH and JD. How important is that? IH is a lot further away. IH has a pre-season check up deal where they will come out for cheap or very small fee and go over your unit.

Have been giving the size issues a lot of thought. Seems to be a trade off here. I am told the IH 562 makes a five foot bale in any size but will always be 5' wide. They make a 462 and 552 as well. This year they are now in the 4 series so the numbers are 564, 554 and 464. So with a 4x6 bale do you get 24 sq feet of hay, or how do they measure it? 5x5 25 sq feet?

Is it important to match the cutter to the baler for any reason? Same for the rake. Got a quote on a Sitrex 10 wheel for $7500.

Is there a match up one should look for in size for the equipment across the board?

Remember, the new balers are Case-IH. When you said International I was thinking of one of the old International square balers. But yes, Case-IH and New Holland balers are the same. I can't say they are 100% the same as I don't follow round balers but I doubt there would be too much difference. And you should be able to get the main wear items from your NH dealer as long as you know which model NH the Case-IH baler crosses with.

You don't need to worry too much about the baler matching the cutter or the rake. There are some times where you want to but it isn't required. Normally you want your cutter and rake to match up but again it isn't real vital. It is just to make things easier on you mostly as you don't want a 12' cutter and a 18' rake as you will be guessing where to rake. A 9' cutter and 18' rake is ideal or a 12' cutter and 24' rake. You just follow in between the two swaths as you rake and there is no guessing.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Oh yea, what a neat trailer. What do they cost?

I don't know, I just found the video. I have no need for this so I never bothered to ask.

 

[chh]

I didn't know about the Case-IH and New Holland deal. I new somebody made them for Case but hadn't paid attn.

I ran across a NH 658 today 2001 model(they think) with 3000 bales on it, has twine and net. Was just traded for a JD 468 and is about half the price of a new 468 too. Has anybody run any NH's lately? The last NH I messed with had the bars and chains on it.

 

[Slippy]

I went up on the Case IH web site and did a comparison of the NH BR7090 and the IH RB564. With only a few small exceptions, they spec out the same. So I would guess these are the same. Neat web site, you can compare JD and Vermeer also.

 

[deereguy]

I am also new to the hay side of farming and learning quickly and its been fun. On the barn side of the business- we have a 60'x100'x18' under truss, 4 sided barn- a local cattle farmer is using it this winter for hay- he figured he could place 480 4'x5' net wrapped rounds stacked on their sides. Here's the problem- he tried to stack them 4 high and the 1700lb skid loader got light in the rear, he could have gotten at least 30 more bales on top. His helper used pallet forks and placed them two-high, then stacked them on top of the third that was already on the gravel in the barn.

One other idea that was mentioned was crop rotation, in 5-6 years the hay fields might be worn out, then what would your customers do for a few years while the corn/beans are planted/harvested and that cuts into your profit. Look into smaller fields that are managable and see what the hay market does in your area, then expand from there.

PM me if you want to talk more.

 

[mark.r]

They make some pretty sweet rakes too........

http://www.kvernelandgroup.com/irj/...ucts/Rakes and Tedders/Rakes and Tedders.doc#

I also was wondering why more people don't use these three point mower/conditioners as well. Just for clarification, a discbine is the same as a moco correct?

 

[Robert_in_NY]

I also was wondering why more people don't use these three point mower/conditioners as well. Just for clarification, a discbine is the same as a moco correct?

A large 3pt discbine puts a lot of weight on the tractor which requires you to have a heavier tractor in order to keep your front wheels on the ground and biting while you are turning. A discbine that is a pull type does not put as much strain on the tractor so you can use a lighter tractor.

A Mo/Co is usually referred to as a sickle type cutter/conditioner. A disc type cutter/conditioner is usually referred to as a discbine.

 

[Slippy]

So are you saying you can use less tractor and get the same job done with a discbine that is pull type?

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Yes, as long as you have enough PTO power to run the cutter you can use a lighter tractor.

 

[mark.r]

So are you saying you can use less tractor and get the same job done with a discbine that is pull type?

With my little but growing knowledge of the haying industry/practice I found this fact very interesting. For the time being I am working with a 45hp engine (36 pto shuttle/34 pto hst) tractor so choosing haying implements carefully is very important. During my search I also noticed that haybines required much less power. At the time happened to be looking at this particular model just to gain general knowledge.

MF1459 30 pto hp
http://www.masseyferguson.com/agco/MF/NA/HayForage/MF07003_MowerBroch.pdf

NH472 34 pto hp
NH488 35 pto
NH 1465 35 pto, one remote (only difference???)
http://www.newholland.com/FILES/tbl_s25SeriesText/PDFUpload290/2420/HaybineMC_specs.pdf

Do I want to pay new prices for one of these, NO WAY! But I imagine in theory I could run one off of my 45hp tractor as it weights 5000lbs+w/ loader without the tires filled.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Sickle type cutters have always been easier on hp requirements then disc cutters. The disadvantage to sickle cutters like a Mo/Co and Haybine is that you travel slower. They are good in alfalfa though and for small operations that don't have the hp to handle a pull type discbine.

 

[Slippy]

Ok...so...if you have 250 acres to mow and bale and want to get it done as quickly as practicle, pick a mower, a tedder (if needed), a rake, and a baler.