Good morning!!!!

[rswyan]

Or a buried 1000 gallon if the room is available. It could even be by the well with a small pit for the booster pump or suspend a small submersible.

Plenty room, just out of my comfort zone (burying a tank near the surface)

Just putting un-pressurized (and vented) storage tanks in the basement has a me a little nervous ... as our current system is sealed.

Would require some additional research but something to consider.

 

[rswyan]

Drew, how old is your pressure tank?

Second this ^^^

Also does it have a bladder and has the pre-charge been checked lately ?

That should be done at least once per year.

Frequent start/stop cycles are hard on the pump (aka "short cycling")

 

[rswyan]

Got in touch with a driller up in Kirtland yesterday to inquire if they did water well fracing (they don't) but spent some time talking with him about well rehabilitation. Really sounded like he knew his stuff ... at least for the area he is working in.

Not having actually inspected our well, he hazarded a guess that the issue might be iron bacteria.

Not sure that is actually the case, but we do/did have a large pleated filter installed in-line after the pressure tank before the softener. It typically needs changed once every month or two.

When you pull it, it's covered in fine iron sediment which restricts flow. And the inside of the housing is covered in a thin bio-film (slime)

Discussed various rehab methods that they use - chemical, brush and bail, and injection of nitrogen under pressure.

I have seen some mention of the nitrogen process in trade journals and on industry forums, so was kinda interested.

He said we were out of their service area (they are probably around an hour or better away) and when I said where exactly we were he mentioned our driller, apparently knew him or his father or grandfather.

I mentioned that our driller considered brushing and bailing a waste of time ... which kind of surprised him ("Really ... ?")

Asked him about what they were seeing with the nitrogen process and what kind of success they were having. Said they have only had the capability for around a year, had done 60 wells with improvement on 59.

That particular machine is currently in the shop for repairs, so no idea when it will be back in service.

Asked him what we'd be looking at in terms of an initial charge for rehab if they were willing to make the trip.

He said he'd talk to his son who now runs the company and see if he would be willing to come down and if so what kind of number we'd be looking at.

 

[B7510HSD]

Good Tractor Afternoon,

Steve that Kenwood doesn’t need an Amp
Good to know, hopefully by early next year I don’t have 220 on my second floor, they say you can get 600 watts out , that should be plenty with my location

Scott I average around 450w out and mine is 110V. not sure you would gain much for the extra cost of 220V that is with 30w drive from radio

 

[Looking4new]

rs, it is funny that you blame most of your heavy snows on Alberta. Ours come from Colorado AND Alberta. The real fun time happens when a Colorado low AND Alberta clipper meet.
Then we can get anywhere from a foot to three feet plus.

It sounds like high iron could be screwing up your well.

 

[rswyan]

Trying not to get my hopes up too high but there is a possibility that I might be getting close to hitting pay dirt on the frac'ing.

Was making calls to all the firms listed in the PA database for western PA and noticed there was a firm listed with a 330 area code.

Looked them up and found out they are located just down the road in Canal Fulton (6 miles south)

They're more of an environmental services firm - engineering, testing, UST's, brownfield remediation and the like - that was founded by some local geologists ... so I was pretty sure that they wouldn't be a provider but figured that maybe being in a somewhat-related field someone there might know of someone in the area that did water well frac'ing.

As luck would have it my call got routed to a fellow who had to have the well frac'ed at the family home out on River Styx Road in Seville in order to sell it.

Said they had a real hard time finding anyone local to do it but had great water and well productivity after it was done.

He didn't have the number handy in his phone but made a call to Grandma who is now on the case, going through old paperwork to try and come up with a name and number for the firm that did it.

Here's hoping ...

 

[rswyan]

rs, it is funny that you blame most of your heavy snows on Alberta. Ours come from Colorado AND Alberta. The real fun time happens when a Colorado low AND Alberta clipper meet.
Then we can get anywhere from a foot to three feet plus.

Yeah ... we're lucky in that we're at the southern end of the secondary Lake Erie snowbelt and we usually don't get it too bad.

Go 30 miles northeast of here, up around Chardon and they get hammered like you are talking about.

It sounds like high iron could be screwing up your well.

Probably iron and other minerals.

People tend to think that a well once drilled should last forever.

That ain't necessarily the case.

A lowering the level in the water table can happen as population growth occurs and new homes are built but sediment infiltration and mineral encrustation can occur as well.

 

[Thomas]

Buck came back to visit.
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Looks like plan doing so courting.

 

[Thomas]

49F cloudy.

Good but long day at work,afternoon to backpack blower 2+ hour hike area leaves were deeper than usual,oak leaves barely starting to turn.

Going down the driveway this morning Boo was strolling up the driveway,I said morning Boo he stops and stare than sat down.

Plans for the evening... enjoy smooth cigar waiting for the critter than close to nothing before pillow time.

Enjoy your evening all.

 

[Engineer42]

Happy Fall Ya’ll

 

[daugen]

Second this ^^^

Also does it have a bladder and has the pre-charge been checked lately ?

That should be done at least once per year.

Frequent start/stop cycles are hard on the pump (aka "short cycling")

good things good minds think alike
I complained about the pressure tank my first year here, plumber came out and replaced with a whole new unit.
So not the bladder though I could check the charge
pump makes enough noise sounds like it will cough a bearing, no idea how old it is.

finished fussing with rv and ready to take it to dealer tomorrow morning for an inspection and trade in value.
I'm quite sure I will bring it home with no solution that doesn't involve a financial beating.
would rather keep it another year. Now that my old friend has his first rv, means we can meet up places.
but a lot of maintenance if I want to keep it nice. Travel trailer would be a lot easier.
dealer admitted motor home pricing had tanked.

going to get pretty cold tonight

highlight of my day was having to crawl through the window in the garage, again, for the third time..., since the gfi tripped and the stupid garage door battery backup failed again. I need to fit a bigger battery in it, have a spare, maybe wire them in parallel. I'm too old to be crawling through windows onto top of plastic table rated for 300 pounds, that already had a bunch on it, that sits under the window. Have no idea why gfi trips, don't think it's the rv hooked up. I ran the generator on that today and glad I did, took a while to pump gas until it started.

am looking forward to a quiet night with a good book.

 

[daugen]

Happy Fall Ya’ll

you too Tom, just need a stiff wind to blow them all on your neighbors

 

[ponytug]

Trying not to get my hopes up too high but there is a possibility that I might be getting close to hitting pay dirt on the frac'ing.

Was making calls to all the firms listed in the PA database for western PA and noticed there was a firm listed with a 330 area code.

Looked them up and found out they are located just down the road in Canal Fulton (6 miles south)

They're more of an environmental services firm - engineering, testing, UST's, brownfield remediation and the like - that was founded by some local geologists ... so I was pretty sure that they wouldn't be a provider but figured that maybe being in a somewhat-related field someone there might know of someone in the area that did water well frac'ing.

As luck would have it my call got routed to a fellow who had to have the well frac'ed at the family home out on River Styx Road in Seville in order to sell it.

Said they had a real hard time finding anyone local to do it but had great water and well productivity after it was done.

He didn't have the number handy in his phone but made a call to Grandma who is now on the case, going through old paperwork to try and come up with a name and number for the firm that did it.

Here's hoping ...

Sounds as if you are on to something.

There are chemicals to dissolve up iron, and if you suspect iron bacteria, I'd go heavy on the in well chlorination when you are done. That might be a maintenance item for your well going forward. I have heard of down well ozonation systems, but I have never used one as there's no small amount of maintenance on them, both the ozone generator and the special oil free compressors needed to bubble the ozone to the bottom of the well.

good things good minds think alike
I complained about the pressure tank my first year here, plumber came out and replaced with a whole new unit.
So not the bladder though I could check the charge
pump makes enough noise sounds like it will cough a bearing, no idea how old it is.

finished fussing with rv and ready to take it to dealer tomorrow morning for an inspection and trade in value.
I'm quite sure I will bring it home with no solution that doesn't involve a financial beating.
would rather keep it another year. Now that my old friend has his first rv, means we can meet up places.
but a lot of maintenance if I want to keep it nice. Travel trailer would be a lot easier.
dealer admitted motor home pricing had tanked.

going to get pretty cold tonight

highlight of my day was having to crawl through the window in the garage, again, for the third time..., since the gfi tripped and the stupid garage door battery backup failed again. I need to fit a bigger battery in it, have a spare, maybe wire them in parallel. I'm too old to be crawling through windows onto top of plastic table rated for 300 pounds, that already had a bunch on it, that sits under the window. Have no idea why gfi trips, don't think it's the rv hooked up. I ran the generator on that today and glad I did, took a while to pump gas until it started.

am looking forward to a quiet night with a good book.

If you have a tire gauge, you can check the bladder pressure pretty easily. Just turn the pump off, and open a faucet to drain the system pressure to close to zero.

Ouch, climbing through the window sounds like something I would want to avoid. I guess it makes for a good story, and I'm impressed that you can do it! So thanks for sharing.

Any chance of a different breaker, or circuit to power the opener. If not, I would probably put a battery down at table level, disable the charger in the opener, and a real battery charger on the new battery. My opener back up battery replacement is always more futzing around way up in the air than I think is prudent, at least around here. Most of the time when I am up a ladder around here, I get to a point where I am thinking "now would not be a good time for an earthquake!"

All the best,

Peter

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Happy Fall Ya’ll

Looks like a campground.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Simple solution, get rid of the gfi on the opener.

 

[rswyan]

good things good minds think alike
I complained about the pressure tank my first year here, plumber came out and replaced with a whole new unit.
So not the bladder though I could check the charge

First off, I wouldn’t write-off it being the bladder. Perhaps not likely but not impossible (manufacturing defect, etc)

Secondly, if the charge hasn’t been checked since it was installed, I’d definitely do that.

pump makes enough noise sounds like it will cough a bearing, no idea how old it is.

Could be getting old and near the end of its life.

 

[Engineer42]

Looks like a campground.

Yessir. Lums

 

[Wagtail]

Good (Friday) morning. Overnight Low of 6C and it's presently 18.5C, mostly sunny and calm.

I'm very disappointed with the BOM who have revamped their website = I can't find anything!!!

Apparently I'm not the only one 'ticked off' with the "New and Improved" BOM website as it was on the national news. We Ain't Happy. Their response is, "You'll get used to it." <grumble>

Yesterday, my sore throat 'held off' enough that my dental and medical review appointments went off without a hitch. It's still present but at least I'm not stuffed-up or constantly coughing, which is good for sleeping at night... still, I let my Minister know that I may not be at Church on Sunday (I'm scheduled to 'lead').

I do need to go to the PO for a couple of deliveries. Other than that, I'll just concentrate on getting through this rare [for me] affliction.

That's about it, take care all.

 

[rswyan]

Back into the basement for further adventures in plumbing this afternoon.

Happy to report the seep on the cold water side of the water heater has stopped as I suspected it would ...

Got a call back from a driller in western PA up around Meadville. Nice guy, spent about 1/2 hour on the phone talking to him. Doesn't do frac'ing or know of anyone that does. Nonetheless it was a productive conversation, got some idea of the variation of strata he works in where he's at (mostly shale) and the variability. Also happened to mention that he doesn't hold a license for the State of Ohio ... something I overlooked when I started looking for frac'ers in PA.

Started disassembling the plumbing that went into the softener, managed to unscrew housing on the unknown mystery device which contains a consumable cake which is supposed to prevent scale build up in the pipes.

Once I had it off I found a label on the backside announcing it's a ScalTrol:

Best Filter for Hard Water: Purify Your Water Instantly | Scaltrol

Interesting concept/system - from the FAQ on their website:

To counteract mineral build-up, the Scaltrol system’s patented head dispenses a measured amount of the Scaltrol proprietary compound (polyphosphate) which deposits a microscopic film to all surfaces. The mineral molecules, which have a positive charge, are then attracted to – and held in suspension by – the negative charge of the polyphosphate, which acts as a sequestrant. Since the mineral molecules are no longer able to bind together, scale cannot form.
The compound is safe and certified under NSF Standard 60. With the Scaltrol system, there are no moving parts and no costly circuitry.

Might partially account for why there is so little buildup in the pipes.

After that I went on to trying to unscrew the housing on the pleated filter. Not much luck with that, really tight.

It uses a plastic wrench that fits over the housing. Wrench is fairly flimsy and I have broken them before by torquing on them too much.

Time for Round 2.

 

[ponytug]

Back into the basement for further adventures in plumbing this afternoon.

Happy to report the seep on the cold water side of the water heater has stopped as I suspected it would ...

Got a call back from a driller in western PA up around Meadville. Nice guy, spent about 1/2 hour on the phone talking to him. Doesn't do frac'ing or know of anyone that does. Nonetheless it was a productive conversation, got some idea of the variation of strata he works in where he's at (mostly shale) and the variability. Also happened to mention that he doesn't hold a license for the State of Ohio ... something I overlooked when I started looking for frac'ers in PA.

Started disassembling the plumbing that went into the softener, managed to unscrew housing on the unknown mystery device which contains a consumable cake which is supposed to prevent scale build up in the pipes.

Once I had it off I found a label on the backside announcing it's a ScalTrol:

Best Filter for Hard Water: Purify Your Water Instantly | Scaltrol

Interesting concept/system - from the FAQ on their website:



Might partially account for why there is so little buildup in the pipes.

After that I went on to trying to unscrew the housing on the pleated filter. Not much luck with that, really tight.

It uses a plastic wrench that fits over the housing. Wrench is fairly flimsy and I have broken them before by torquing on them too much.

Time for Round 2.

Polyphosphate does wonders to keep calcium and magnesium from precipitating. Often it is used in water polishing applications and for secondary RO on the reject from an initial RO membrane to increase the yield.

My RO has a unique flimsy plastic wrench that I have broken a couple of before I switched to using a strap wrench with a longer metal drive.

Good luck on finding a fracker.

All the best, Peter