Float for curl function

[94BULLITT]

Would it be possible to add float to the curl function?

 

[BukitCase]

Sure, but you might have to start over with something like a Prince SV (stacked valve) and order all (or at least two) sections with float - don't recall for sure, but I think you can get a joystick for those valves that'll give you standard 1-lever loader functions, only the extra float spool would give you want you want for curl float.

What diabolically clever idea are you ruminating on for curl/float that I might wanna steal (er, "engineer") Steve

OTOH, you may be able to just get the extra parts for your existing valve, assuming the only diff is the lack of the added float hardware...

 

[J_J]

I am curious also.

Why would you want your bucket to float, it will just tilt down, flopping around.

Yes, you can just add float to your bucket with this external float valve.

Surplus Center - 20 GPM 1/2" NPT FLOAT VALVE PRINCE SS-2B1D

You may have regen on your current loader valve, and I believe that is built into the spool, so I am not sure if you can use float and regen on the same spool. Never heard of anyone doing this before.

 

[radioman]

If your curl has float and while going forward, the bucket lip could catch on something and before you know it, the bucket will go all the way to dump position and put lots of stress on the curl piston and seals.

 

[94BULLITT]

I was thinking about using with my snow blade. It is heavy that with the weight of it and the loader riding on the skid shoes it makes a mess in the gravel. The tractor also plows better with the weight of the loader on the tractor. When I use float on the loader the front gets light at times.

I think I had looked at that valve you posted JJ. Is there anything like that is electrically actuated? I have a cab and I am not sure how that would work. The curl function does have a regen.

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[J_J]

I still do not understand what bucket float will do for you.

You could probably make the bucket float, but it would be tilting anywhere it wanted, and I believe would cause you many problems.

 

[Xfaxman]

I was thinking about using with my snow blade. It is heavy that with the weight of it and the loader riding on the skid shoes it makes a mess in the gravel. The tractor also plows better with the weight of the loader on the tractor. When I use float on the loader the front gets light at times.
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How is it mounted? Is there any way to incorporate a mechanical float with slots where there are holes, or replace a link with a chain?

I made this adapter to use a 3 point cedar tree shear on a SSQA. It can move in all directions to match the contour of the ground no matter what angle the V417 is on. The toplink is a chain.

 

[94BULLITT]

I still do not understand what bucket float will do for you.

You could probably make the bucket float, but it would be tilting anywhere it wanted, and I believe would cause you many problems.

I have a 750lb blade and the loader weighs 1300lbs. I probably have 1600-1700lbs riding on 6'' skid shoes. It is not uncommon for use to get a snow and the ground not be frozen. With all the weight the blade sinks down through the gravel. With the loader in float there is not much weight on the front axle so I am not getting full advantage of 4WD. I had another thread asking how to plow on gravel but I think the answer is keep the weight of the loader on the front axle.

How is it mounted? Is there any way to incorporate a mechanical float with slots where there are holes, or replace a link with a chain?

I made this adapter to use a 3 point cedar tree shear on a SSQA. It can move in all directions to match the contour of the ground no matter what angle the V417 is on. The toplink is a chain.
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I think it would require a complete remodel to modify the blade. It is to expensive to cut up. I am probably going to sell it and convert a truck plow.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Roger, before you spend money or do something that costs you money, how about just trying what you want to do by swapping the curl hoses with the lift hoses so that you swap loader valve functions? :confused3: Should take all of about 40-60 seconds and costs nothing.

 

[94BULLITT]

Roger, before you spend money or do something that costs you money, how about just trying what you want to do by swapping the curl hoses with the lift hoses so that you swap loader valve functions? :confused3: Should take all of about 40-60 seconds and costs nothing.

I tried it a little in a snow storm. It seemed to work fine but I had to put the loader in regen to lower the loader:confused3: It is not usable that way. It comes down really rough and fast.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

I tried it a little in a snow storm. It seemed to work fine but I had to put the loader in regen to lower the loader:confused3: It is not usable that way. It comes down really rough and fast.

You should not have to use the regen. Do you have to use the regen to dump your bucket?

 

[94BULLITT]

You should not have to use the regen. Do you have to use the regen to dump your bucket?

No I don't use regen to dump the bucket.

I am pretty sure it was hooked up right. Forward and back on the joystick was curl up and down. Left raised the loader and right lowered.

 

[SSdoxie]

Brian has a good idea in using the lift function as trial to see if you get the affect you're looking for.

What about mounting adjustable caster wheels behind the blade? Wheels would be more apt to roll over the loose rock instead of dig in like the slide shoes do. Either way, you will loose some of that weight for front wheel traction when any part of the blade rests on the ground.

 

[94BULLITT]

Brian has a good idea in using the lift function as trial to see if you get the affect you're looking for.

What about mounting adjustable caster wheels behind the blade? Wheels would be more apt to roll over the loose rock instead of dig in like the slide shoes do. Either way, you will loose some of that weight for front wheel traction when any part of the blade rests on the ground.

I have 3 ideas as of now.

1. Get rid of it and covert a truck plow.

2. Float for Curl.

3. Use tail wheels of a rotary cutter instead of skid shoe.

The tractor handles it pretty good but when I hold the blade up a inch or 2 it does so much better.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

No I don't use regen to dump the bucket.

I am pretty sure it was hooked up right. Forward and back on the joystick was curl up and down. Left raised the loader and right lowered.

That sounds right. But there should be no reason that the regen would have had to be used and why was it not smooth? It should have been smooth coming down, just faster in the regen mode. Regardless, I agree that you should not be using the regen mode, but it should work without the hiccups that you had. :confused3: I would try it again before spending any $$$.

 

[94BULLITT]

That sounds right. But there should be no reason that the regen would have had to be used and why was it not smooth? It should have been smooth coming down, just faster in the regen mode. Regardless, I agree that you should not be using the regen mode, but it should work without the hiccups that you had. :confused3: I would try it again before spending any $$$.

I will try again.

 

[J_J]

You can have float just by disconnecting the tilt hoses. and plug the valve work ports.

 

[94BULLITT]

You can have float just by disconnecting the tilt hoses. and plug the valve work ports.

I am not sure what I would do when I need to raise the blade.

 

[J_J]

A bucket in float mode, will act like a bucket with no hyd.

The bucket will probably try and tilt down when you raise the lift arms.

 

[Xfaxman]

I am not sure what I would do when I need to raise the blade.

Raise the loader so that the blade is angled down about 40 degrees, then wrap a tow strap from the blade frame to the cross bar on the loader, like this.


Put a container under the disconnected curl hoses when raising the loader, then use a pipe union to connect the hoses together. That will put some air in the curl cylinders to let them float.