Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation

[Mtsoxfan]

so you have solar panels on your roof?

Yes, my previous home. 52 panels. Not fun, but its one of those things you do, like snowblow driveway etc. but since I was collecting sun, I might as well.

 

[Mtsoxfan]

unless it is cold weather and more than 3" or so. (just a guess)
but once you clear the bottom, they heat themselves.

More than 6" or so, (once again a guess) it hangs up at the bottom due to gutter. But, yes, it does slide off.

 

[OzarkChris]

... They don't work well for the fry. ...

Oh, I don't know about that. I think ALL fish work well for "the fry". Just use some cornmeal and maybe some good fish fry seasoning!

Sorry, just couldn't help myself!

 

[bvanek]

unless it is cold weather and more than 3" or so. (just a guess)
but once you clear the bottom, they heat themselves.

More than 6" or so, (once again a guess) it hangs up at the bottom due to gutter. But, yes, it does slide off.

I don't have solar panels but the work just to shovel off deep snow was plenty for me.

I live at a higher elevation and snow stays longer and can get deep in a short time. We have "seasonal" weather and patterns but sometimes it just stays cold. 2-3 inches or maybe some melt during the day is never a problem but when it freezes overnight it's a whole new ball game.....Even some melt from the roof goes into the gutter that often gets packed with snow and then freezes into a solid ice dam. When it gets this bad you just hope for a change in the weather. One night I went to bed with a couple inches on the roof....it snowed all night. Got up before dawn and started shoveling. Didn't measure but over a foot. Before I has done another 3 inches where I had already shoveled.....I have a ranch style home with a modest pitch to the roof, so that doesn't help. I have a snow rake but to tell you the truth my poly snow shovel actually worked better on the deep stuff. Easier to maneuver around the roof vents and if you keep a little snow and ice underneath and it slides like a sled.....that packed snow can get real heavy. Lot of work without the panels.

My "not so next door" neighbor who works remotely for a tech firm in silicon valley, has all the latest that money can buy. He had solar panels installed and they had this framework underneath that supported the panels. The weight of the snow broke some of the frame. Sometimes the snow froze to the surface of the panels. He told me several panels had cracks but didn't say from what.

also if you have conifer tress (big tall ones like Douglas fir) the sun gets so low in the winter they shade your home from the sun. Leaves in the fall, wind debris,moss etc. Solar panels just aren't practical for me, but to be honest I have a a particular bias against them in the first place. Also I have plenty of other things to fix.

 

[bvanek]

In decades past we used a roof rake all winter long. Haven't had to use it but once in the past 5-6 years.

One thing about the weather it changes....for the past 3 to 4 years my area has been colder but later into the winter and into spring. Snow pack is above normal again this year and California has had the most snow on record this past winter and into spring....Last year it snowed a over a foot in one night on April 15th. This year several days in late march and early April with intermittent snow. Still seeing snow in the 3,000 to 4,000 foot range. Been 5-10 degress colder than normal for almost all of February March and April.(whatever normal is) May 5th still well below normal. I'm still burning my wood stove on occasion. Started it again today.

 

[MossRoad]

Oh, I don't know about that. I think ALL fish work well for "the fry". Just use some cornmeal and maybe some good fish fry seasoning!

Sorry, just couldn't help myself!

 

[MossRoad]

I used to start ice fishing between Thanksgiving and Christmas and fish until the end of March. Now I'm lucky to get on by the 2nd week of January and fish until the end of February. I've lost 2 months of ice on average in my 54 years of ice fishing. This was the first year I haven't had safe ice in those 54 years and did not get to go ice fishing. Even though it snowed 3 days last week in April and the first day of May. It was the 2nd coldest start to May on record, yet not cold enough to sustain safe ice all winter.

 

[Hay Dude]

We all know it’s a warming period, but since similar warming periods occurred before man was significant on earth, how can we spend trillions on “green energy” and blame it on man or fossil fuels?

 

[Fixastuff]

I would have loved to see the shad fish run on the james River before it was dammed. Sounded pretty amazing.

 

[RSKY]

Back to the original topic. More info. This is what we have been told by people who were first approached by the company and turned them down more than a year ago.

This is the first Solar Farm installation for this company in the U.S.. They are a Denmark based company that is owned or somehow tied into a Chinese firm. Or so we have been told. They have approached several land owners in the area who flat turned them down after looking over the contract or taking it to lawyers.

After advice from a retired legislator we are starting a letter writing campaign to state and local politicians.

RSKY

 

[Hay Dude]

Makes me wonder if this is another strategy for the Chinese to buy American farmland? They start a shell company in an innocuous country, like Denmark. Then they buy the land, plop their panels on it and begin controlling America’s power grid, panel by panel, farm by farm, Kw by Kw.

I don’t like it.

 

[MossRoad]

They aren't buying it, their leasing it.

 

[Fuddyduddy1952]

Ok...the Communist Chinese are leasing land in the USA. Is that better!

 

[Hay Dude]

They aren't buying it, they’re leasing it.

Still controlling it.
Bad news.

 

[MossRoad]

Still controlling it.
Bad news.

I agree with that.

 

[bvanek]

After advice from a retired legislator we are starting a letter writing campaign to state and local politicians.

It's a tough battle for the little guy....especially the rural folks (the new frontier for their takeover.) These corporations are banking on their power,money and influence to literally squash opposition. Small towns and rural communities simply don't have the cash to fight them. Now with our national government subsidizing these global entities, with the hoax of man caused climate change, reasonable solutions let alone local input are forced to fall in line like sheep. Watch out for Denmark they also are putting wind turbines along our eastern coastal waters. And as you have stated they are deeply involved with China. Sorta like the failing USA.

I have been battling government here in my State for three decades. (Oregon government employees who have the most control are not local Oregonians and are controlled by outside influences (with big money) that dictate policy. 30 years back they took local land use control away from counties and made it state run. Of course they used tactics that convinced the metropolitan crowd that they needed to save the environment. Similar to the climate change hoax but on a smaller scale. Rural Oregon has never been served with this but extracting money seems to be job 1.

Here's just one personal example; 2 years ago I had my home water re-piped. To get certification the company that did the piping had to register with the state. Whats the state's involvement contain? Clearly it was all about permit money (12 %). with an inspection and approval. The key here is 'inspection" as the customer insurance. They didn't even physically inspect the piping because the guy didn't want to crawl under the house. So $485 bucks to a state budget and a bureaucracy administering it. Has only been a hindrance to how I manage my land. More often than not rural landowners are the more conscious stewards of the environment. Many of our livelihoods depend on it. ........... I wouldn't have an issue with some legitimate fees that would support my county and surrounding land owners...Nine state people in the land use office today vs two, one could easily assume where that money goes........and what kind of input and subsequent salaries from the digital hierarchy? yes the fight is UUUUGGGGEEE!

 

[walhondingMF]

We all know it’s a warming period, but since similar warming periods occurred before man was significant on earth, how can we spend trillions on “green energy” and blame it on man or fossil fuels?

Because the warming is happening at a significantly faster rate than it's supposed to.

Cancer in our bodies is normal. You have new cancer cells every day. The normal functions of your immune system fights these cancer cells. But, if the cancer cells go beyond their normal levels and the immune system cannot fight them all, you get cancer.

 

[LouNY]

Because the warming is happening at a significantly faster rate than it's supposed to.

Cancer in our bodies is normal. You have new cancer cells every day. The normal functions of your immune system fights these cancer cells. But, if the cancer cells go beyond their normal levels and the immune system cannot fight them all, you get cancer.

Just more hype and hysterical bull.

 

[OzarkChris]

Because the warming is happening at a significantly faster rate than it's supposed to.

Cancer in our bodies is normal. You have new cancer cells every day. The normal functions of your immune system fights these cancer cells. But, if the cancer cells go beyond their normal levels and the immune system cannot fight them all, you get cancer.

And we know this is happening significantly faster, how? Because the dinosaurs kept really good written records of all these events. Oh, thats right, I tend to remember my Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Grandfather telling us about the "Dino Sea Scrolls" found in the desert southwest 4.6 billion years ago?

 

[walhondingMF]

Just more hype and hysterical bull.

No facts. It can be debated on what the actual impacts are because the systems that control our climate are extremely complex. But even people that disagree with the way the "greenies" want to over invest into cutting CO2 or push the "climate hystaria" do not disagree with the warming. It's an easily measured event.