Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation

[MAX-24-Dean]

There is an Industrial Solar installation slated to be installed where I live. The locals against the project started this organization.

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Because of citizen action a moratorium on solar was put in place in the county by the county board of commisioners.
But, because of state law and a state commission that's only function is to promote "green energy" and approve projects the local county government does not get a right to deny the Industrial installation.

The Commisioner of Public Lands in our State is hunting for revenue and has a dog in the fight here. The Department of Natural (DNR )resources is one of the major land holders in this install and there is a lease that will provide a good sum of dollars to the DNR.
"Your government at work for you"!!!

We all expect are property values to plumet based on data from other similiar installations.

 

[bigtiller]

I wish I could get a solar farm, my tax evaluation went up 50%

Central Iowa is getting new property evaluations from their county and they are all up 15% to 80% because of Covid and everyone is in an uproar.

I bet there is a lot of people wishing for something to knock the new evaluation down next to nothing.

 

[deezler]

So after the government took my $5,200 and gave it to you, your paying the remaining $13.3k? What a great deal for you.

Did you really not even know that there was a longstanding federal subsidy for homeowner PV (photovoltaic) systems? If you have no idea what is going on with the tax code and energy subsidies than maybe don't worry too much about it LOL.

By the way the tax credit is back to 30% now. And was 30% when I had my solar installed as well, back in 2018. Maybe you'll like this nugget also, my state (michigan) had a state subsidize loan program to provide 0-down, 10-year low interest loans for solar systems also. So I had my $16,000 solar system installed and then the IRS gave me $4,800 8 months later. My ROI is also in the 9-10 range and then my electricity is nearly free after that.

Back to the OP, how do you know the property values will plummet? Large scale solar arrays make no noise, don't creep on your property boundaries, don't trespass, etc. Some people might love to live in privacy nestled between parts of a solar farm.

 

[sea2summit]

Did you really not even know that there was a longstanding federal subsidy for homeowner PV (photovoltaic) systems? If you have no idea what is going on with the tax code and energy subsidies than maybe don't worry too much about it LOL.

By the way the tax credit is back to 30% now. And was 30% when I had my solar installed as well, back in 2018. Maybe you'll like this nugget also, my state (michigan) had a state subsidize loan program to provide 0-down, 10-year low interest loans for solar systems also. So I had my $16,000 solar system installed and then the IRS gave me $4,800 8 months later. My ROI is also in the 9-10 range and then my electricity is nearly free after that.

Back to the OP, how do you know the property values will plummet? Large scale solar arrays make no noise, don't creep on your property boundaries, don't trespass, etc. Some people might love to live in privacy nestled between parts of a solar farm.

I’m very aware of them, there’s so many depending on your state and local utilities and how they are subsidized to keep track of what’s what. Locally it’s free depending on sun exposure up to something crazy like 7kw beyond that you pay, but there’s strings.

I very much support solar in most ways, and hydro, and wind. I’m working on my own micro hydro because I feel it’s the most reliable for my situation. I just think it all needs to be paid for honestly and not claim you’re breaking even in a certain number of years when really you’re not because you aren’t paying for the entire system, your just repeating a lie.

 

[jyoutz]

I doubt it was your $5200 that they gave to Steve. If Steve is anything like many of us he pays WAY more in federal income taxes than $5200. I think your money was used to shoot down a balloon.

I'm a fan of solar energy, but not on good land. It makes no sense really. Utilizing a good resource to develop another is at best a neutral gain. But for closed landfills and roof tops, it makes perfect sense. Both are abundent, ugly, have no other potential use, require regular maintenance, and are located in areas of higher electrical demands. Only makes sense.

I feel the same way about using good land for anything that takes it out of production: housing subdivisions, manufacturing, retail, etc…. But we do honor private property rights in this country, so good farmland is converted to these uses every day.

 

[jyoutz]

Their property will become dark all day long and their plants will die as the solar panels suck away all the sunlight.

A US town has rejected plans for solar panels amid fears they would 'suck up all the energy from the sun'

A retired science teacher said she was concerned the panels would prevent plants in the area from photosynthesizing,

www.businessinsider.com

Bruce

It’s a good thing that “science teacher” is retired.

 

[jyoutz]

I wish I could get a solar farm, my tax evaluation went up 50%

Central Iowa is getting new property evaluations from their county and they are all up 15% to 80% because of Covid and everyone is in an uproar.

I bet there is a lot of people wishing for something to knock the new evaluation down next to nothing.

I’m confused. What does Covid have to do with property tax evaluations?

 

[bdhsfz6]

Some people have got together in one of our communities and are planning on installing a huge multi-acre solar farm on property adjacent to my daughter's and sister-in-law's property. They will be surrounded to the north and south of their properties and across the road. Their property value will go to nearly nothing.

Has anybody fought the installation of one of these?

Any ideas?

RSKY

I'm also curious as to why the adjacent property values will drop.

I ask because a solar installation is planned for a 40 acre parcel adjacent to mine. Due to trees and topography, it won't be visible from my house, so I presently have no objections. Is there something I'm missing??

 

[dodge man]

I don’t think wind farms or solar farms really look pretty but I also don’t think they will seriously devalue the surrounding ground. Like someone else said, there are several things that could be much worse. A lot of counties have wind and solar ordinances.

Through my work as a land surveyor I have worked on several in the early planning stages, maybe 20 of them. It seems like all but one were on fair to good farm ground. There is a reason for this, it doesn’t take a lot of dirt work, tree clearing etc.

 

[ericm979]

There's been some promising research on combining solar panels with ongoing productive ag. It's so-called "agrivoltaics".

An example:
"We find that shading by the PV panels provides multiple additive and synergistic benefits, including reduced plant drought stress, greater food production and reduced PV panel heat stress."

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/335583033_Agrivoltaics_provide_mutual_benefits_across_the_food-energy-water_nexus_in_drylands

this page has more info: Solar and Agriculture Co-Location

I can understand people not wanting to be near wind farms as they do make some noise and stick up quite a ways, but solar's quiet and low to the ground. Once its installed there won't even be much work on them, mostly cleaning the panels and weeding.

 

[Jchonline]

Personally, Im not going anywhere. And I'd gladly welcome a solar farm surrounding my place making my property value (AND TAXES) plummet to nothing

Your property value would only go down if there are sales in the area that are comparable to the type/size of home you have. If no one sells...then your value wont decrease. It also wont decrease without an appeal most likely even if there are sales.

I suppose some people would prefer a pig farm on that GOOD farm land. LOL

Thats what I was thinking. At least the solar panels wont smell.....

 

[Jchonline]

I’m confused. What does Covid have to do with property tax evaluations?

Remote workers from out of state in a place with high property value already sell. With $$$ can move to the area and drive up property values beacuse they will pay whatever for the homes. Tons of that with COVID.

 

[Rockbadchild]

just a quick funny story about solar panels ... 10 years back there was big subsidies for solar farm, the adjacent city installed some in many field 4 or 5, a few guys got together and work out a scheme. They would barging the land owner to the lowest possible, giving them the lowest possible amount but he would himself buy the property then sell it back to a crazy high price back to the city, then the other guy who work for the city made arrangement with the solar panel company to inflate the prices and he would give him a percentage... Once everything was done they fled the country... everything came to light not too long ago. They frauded the city for $800,000... I guess these will have to be in place a few 100 years to break even

Two charged with defrauding Town of Kapuskasing

 

[JJT]

Lots of solar going in around me, I have no issues. It's saving a couple of big dairy farms that would go under without the solar projects. They are paying $1,500/acre per year with a 30 year guarantee and the option to extend. Let the farmers do what they need to survive. You cannot control what happens off your property, yet many neighbors are trying to shut these down. Here in NY, the state has the final say for large installations. Too many towns have enacted solar bans, or crazy setbacks, (like 1000'), or unrealistic site coverage. If you really want to save farmland, have the same setbacks are you do for residential buildings and let coverage exceed 20%.

I'll take solar over neighbors that party every single weekend, with loud music blasting. I'm on 45 acres and it's not big enough..... Good neighbors are priceless.

 

[Jstpssng]

They are popping up everywhere here. The access toad where I get onto the interstate has multiple panels set up in the clover leaf... which would otherwise be wasted land. There are so many industrial projects going up that it's starting to affect people who want to put a few on their house and tie into the grid. I don't understand that much about them but there isn't enough infrastructure to support all of the projects going on, so the little guy is being cut out of the picture.

 

[Mtsoxfan]

Nope, that’s not okay either.
Neither is first time home buyer help.
Housing help.
Food stamps.
Cancer research.
Disaster relief.
Pretty much anything else.

Common defense and interstate commerce is all they should be spending money on. If the free market wants the rest, then the free market will pay for it.

Same for farmers???

 

[Mtsoxfan]

I’m very aware of them, there’s so many depending on your state and local utilities and how they are subsidized to keep track of what’s what. Locally it’s free depending on sun exposure up to something crazy like 7kw beyond that you pay, but there’s strings.

I very much support solar in most ways, and hydro, and wind. I’m working on my own micro hydro because I feel it’s the most reliable for my situation. I just think it all needs to be paid for honestly and not claim you’re breaking even in a certain number of years when really you’re not because you aren’t paying for the entire system, your just repeating a lie.

As I stated in my oter post, I figured the breakeven without the incentives. Hard to be exact, but it would have been paid off around 10 years. That is NOT a lie. With incentives, about 8+/- years.

 

[Jstpssng]

Same for farmers???

Especially farmers. I don't completely agree with his statement but people should be willing to pay as well for things we need to survive as we do for our toys.
Perhaps if we knew the true cost of things we would do things differently.

 

[Mtsoxfan]

I’m confused. What does Covid have to do with property tax evaluations?

For us, when we sold, the prices were inflated, because people didn't want to live in cities. The town would have been rich taxing the homes at that rate.

 

[sea2summit]

Same for farmers???

Absolutely. And stop funding these “associations” and “non-profits” like Dairy Management Incorporated and the equivalentants for beef, wheat, corn, etc. that is basically government trying to increase demand for a product they propped up more than the market would support. Let the market work it out.