Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation

[Hay Dude]

I did mention that materials are recyclable, somewhere above.

but how much energy-and what energy source will be used- to recycle those materials? And where will said recycling be performed?

And how many will ignore recycling and just throw the junk in a hole and bury it?
I don’t see everyone recycle everything now.

 

[walhondingMF]

And you anti-Keystone guys think that pipeline meant nothing to American jobs building it? I don’t care if sand was going through it, great paying American jobs to build and maintain it were lost forever. How dose anyone KNOW we wouldn’t use any of the oil that flowed through there??? How do we know the building of it wouldn’t create new use of the oils that flow through it? Maybe the pipeline would have attracted a new oil refining business?

Stop with the BS that America would derive ”no benefit”. We would have gotten numerous benefits and possibly more.

And what about the right to choose what happens to someone land? Jobs or the right to say no to a pipeline on your own ground. If jobs are the priority, then let them put up as many solar panels and wind turbines as they want. Doesn't someone have to have a job doing that?
You cannot say its bad to tell people what to do with their land because you don't like what that thing is (solar) but as soon as its something you like, well then force it on them.

 

[walhondingMF]

Depends .....Under the right President the USA would of figured out the need to be as much energy independent as possible, ( countries like Germany found out the hard way) having pipelines from always friendly countries like Canada gives the USA reliable efficient safer energy.

We already have the pipelines. Did you miss the comments that I made about there still being plenty of available space to move everything from Canada. Why do you think TRANS CANADA Energy bought Columbia Gas.

 

[Eagle1]

Isn’t lithium a “rare earth” -derived metal?

And we don’t produce any lead anymore, either.

And probably never will, since the pumps were shut off and the shafts were allowed to flood…

We still mine lead (at least for now) we just can NOT process the ore in country. Right now Doe Run mines Galena (lead ore) and ships to to china because the last primary smelter was shut down. They also mine and smelt in Peru and ship it to where ever.
Also there is only 1 lead acid battery recycling center in the US they all come here to MO to be dumped into an old mine shaft and processed underground. After processing that lead is the ONLY source for lead "created" in country.

 

[kenmbz]

And you anti-Keystone guys think that pipeline meant nothing to American jobs building it? I don’t care if sand was going through it, great paying American jobs to build and maintain it were lost forever. How dose anyone KNOW we wouldn’t use any of the oil that flowed through there??? How do we know the building of it wouldn’t create new use of the oils that flow through it? Maybe the pipeline would have attracted a new oil refining business?

Stop with the BS that America would derive ”no benefit”. We would have gotten numerous benefits and possibly more.

Just like the loggers in MA fought for the logging companies to keep their jobs for the future.
Once the logging companies clear cut the forests, they dumped the lumbermills and loggers and went on their merry way.
Unemployment shot up overnight and the area is still repressed decades later.

Listening to energy companies is just as bad as listening to government.

 

[walhondingMF]

You are wrong about negative property values. 15000 acres of solar fields and a house in the middle of them. Will in fact sell less. What you don't know is that when a field is turned into a solar field. The company that installs the panels is punching through all the field tile thats used for collecting water to route away from roads and other property owners. What happens is the company thats installing is punching holes into the tile. Thus making tile useless. Water then sheds onto roads and other property causing areas to flood. There are several lawsuits ongoing for this very reason. When you have this much water not draining away it infact will negatively affect property values.

What do you suppose researchers have found that work for wind turbine companies? Do you think they are hiding anything about effecting the jet stream? OR the killing of whales. Guaranteed they know about things as well thats negative but they won't release it. As for myself and this crazy green energy and CO2 elimination. The US has had over a decade of falling CO2 levels. Yet we still see hurriancans, flooding, and so on. You know every time there is a volcanic eruption. That should send us over the edge since we are so close. Problematically it does not. This has been a fun boondoggle to watch

Because the effects of increased greenhouse gases are not instant, just like the potential impacts of reducing them. Original models predicted a roughly 30 year delay. It took 30 years for the hole in the ozone to start closing, but 30 years after banning CFCs, it is getting smaller.

And on the topic of the whales dying where there are wind turbines, that fake news story has been debunked. There was no evidence that wind farms had an impact on the whales. There is evidence that sonar probing methods, which are used for wind turbine sites AND off shore oil drilling both may have an impact.

 

[Hay Dude]

And what about the right to choose what happens to someone land? Jobs or the right to say no to a pipeline on your own ground. If jobs are the priority, then let them put up as many solar panels and wind turbines as they want. Doesn't someone have to have a job doing that?
You cannot say its bad to tell people what to do with their land because you don't like what that thing is (solar) but as soon as its something you like, well then force it on them.

Both wind, solar and pipelines contribute jobs and energy assistance to the country. I have no problem with any of them.
I just don’t want one (solar/wind) being heavily taxpayer subsidized over the other AND solar & wind being portrayed as ”green” when it isn’t.

Government once again picks winners and losers. That’s NOT in their lane. The free markets get enough regulation from government.

 

[walhondingMF]

Wrong. It would help the workers who would have built and maintained the pipeline
jobs HELPS the US.

So does alternative energy. Solar panels and wind turbines need installed and maintenance too.

 

[Hay Dude]

Just like the loggers in MA fought for the logging companies to keep their jobs for the future.
Once the logging companies clear cut the forests, they dumped the lumbermills and loggers and went on their merry way.
Unemployment shot up overnight and the area is still repressed decades later.

Listening to energy companies is just as bad as listening to government.

I think that’s disingenuous. The paper/wood pulp companies have invested in reforestation for 50+ years.

 

[Hay Dude]

So does alternative energy. Solar panels and wind turbines need installed and maintenance too.

The difference heres is the government is unfairly picking which side to support and furthermore, which side to demonize.

 

[Hay Dude]

Because the effects of increased greenhouse gases are not instant, just like the potential impacts of reducing them. Original models predicted a roughly 30 year delay. It took 30 years for the hole in the ozone to start closing, but 30 years after banning CFCs, it is getting smaller.

And on the topic of the whales dying where there are wind turbines, that fake news story has been debunked. There was no evidence that wind farms had an impact on the whales. There is evidence that sonar probing methods, which are used for wind turbine sites AND off shore oil drilling both may have an impact.

Keep thinking that.

7th dead whale in 39 days.

7th Dead Whale Washes Up On Jersey Shore

A seventh dead humpback whale has washed up on the Jersey Shore, this time in Brigantine.State and marine mammal experts had responded on Friday, Jan 13 to Brigantine Beach a half-mile beyond a former U.S. Coast Guard station. There w…

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[walhondingMF]

Both wind, solar and pipelines contribute jobs and energy assistance to the country. I have no problem with any of them.
I just don’t want one (solar/wind) being heavily taxpayer subsidized over the other AND solar & wind being portrayed as ”green” when it isn’t.

Government once again picks winners and losers. That’s NOT in their lane. The free markets get enough regulation from government.

The reason the government can even have an impact on the "not so free market" is because of influence from all the companies lobbying for the rules to be changed in their favor. Coal and oil corporations have been reaping the benefits of the "free market" for years. The majority of negative press on nuclear over the last 30 years was funded by the Kock brothers.
Wind and solar are not getting anything over NG. They are over coal. Obama and Biden have both signed more drilling leases, especially on public lands than Trump or Bush. It's been an issue environmentalists have had with both of them.

 

[bnold]

So I don’t know what you’re trying to imply here, but I’d suggest you never again implicate me for using illegal labor as its slanderous and I do have a business to run and have customers who may read this website.

Or what their sunshine? Going to keyboard me into submission?

Wasn’t implicating you or your business practices in anything big shot.

Just that we have a pretty significant influx problem that effects certain areas of the country more than others.

Pipeline work employees a large amount of illegals at least in border states and I’m sure throughout the country.

 

[walhondingMF]

The difference heres is the government is unfairly picking which side to support and furthermore, which side to demonize.

If its just about jobs, then it shouldn't matter what side they are picking. Money going to Americans is the priority, isn't it?

 

[Hay Dude]

If its just about jobs, then it shouldn't matter what side they are picking. Money going to Americans is the priority, isn't it?

It certainly SHOULD matter. Picking one way of making a living over the other is highly corrupt.
Especially when the side they DO pick is highly tied to China

 

[walhondingMF]

Keep thinking that.

7th dead whale in 39 days.

7th Dead Whale Washes Up On Jersey Shore

A seventh dead humpback whale has washed up on the Jersey Shore, this time in Brigantine.State and marine mammal experts had responded on Friday, Jan 13 to Brigantine Beach a half-mile beyond a former U.S. Coast Guard station. There w…

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The article you posted actually proves what I said. It's the sonar technolgy used to locate good turbine sites. It's the same technology used to test for drilling sites.
Did all the people throwing out how much they care about whales now care about all the aquatic life that died during the PB oil spill?

 

[bnold]

Don't take this wrong, I am all for wind and solar, but we still have a long way to go to get wind/solar to supply our needs in Texas. I looked at the ERCOT website, your numbers are a little off. Peak demand today was at 1705 and wind/solar was supplying 33.4%, NG was supplying 45.9%. Currently with demand down, wind alone is providing 34.4%, which is good. NG is still providing the most with 44.7%. When the sun goes down and solar doesn't provide any supply, at least demand goes down to compensate for it.

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Could have been the previous day instead of current day chart I was looking at. 3 charts given on that page.

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Main point being a significant reduction in coal and lignite in Tx, which I’m pretty fond of. Don’t have a big issue with NG. Wish we had more Nuc. Impressed by the amount of wind and solar production, I was under the impression that it contributed less than it did.

 

[walhondingMF]

It certainly SHOULD matter. Picking one way of making a living over the other is highly corrupt.
Especially when the side they DO pick is highly tied to China

Which is why they made the Inflation Reduction Act, investing money in American jobs so we are less tied to China.

 

[bnold]

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[Hay Dude]

Which is why they made the Inflation Reduction Act, investing money in American jobs so we are less tied to China.

The ”inflation reduction act” is a JOKE.
We currently have, and have had, record inflation for 2 years and your boys latest fake attempt at reducing it is worthless