Ethanol / E100 -- brewing, cooking, burn, fuel.

[Phil Timmons]

Ethanol / E100 -- brewing, cooking, burn, fuel.

Anyone here do that?

Probably straight Corn Ethanol. Anyone cook that and/or run it?

If so, what breeds and brands or equipment?

Any special modification to do so?

Thanks!

(btw, please move this if not in correct area?)

 

[Phil Timmons]

hmmmm.

Always on the edge of the cutting fashion, it seems.

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Exploring Ethanol as a Diesel Alternative with John Deere

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[CalG]

I use the coleman stove burning pump regular gas to make maple syrup. I have three of them, and at times there are 5 pots all boiling.

We have made about three gallons of syrup this season. About average....

The coleman stoves have a wide variability of burner performance that depends on the ambient temperature.

Warm fuel works better ;-)

 

[RayIN]

Researchers still have a long way to go before this is an acceptable fuel for diesel engines. Lack of lubricity is a major problem.

Effects of Diesel–Biodiesel–Ethanol Fuel Blend on a Passive Mode of Selective Catalytic Reduction to Reduce NOx Emission from Real Diesel Engine Exhaust Gas - PMC

The effects of ethanol on combustion and emission were investigated on a single-cylinder unmodified diesel engine. The ethanol content of 10–50 vol % was chosen to blend with diesel and biodiesel fuels. Selective catalytic reduction (SCR) of ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Phil Timmons]

Researchers still have a long way to go before this is an acceptable fuel for diesel engines. Lack of lubricity is a major problem.

Effects of Diesel–Biodiesel–Ethanol Fuel Blend on a Passive Mode of Selective Catalytic Reduction to Reduce NOx Emission from Real Diesel Engine Exhaust Gas - PMC

The effects of ethanol on combustion and emission were investigated on a single-cylinder unmodified diesel engine. The ethanol content of 10–50 vol % was chosen to blend with diesel and biodiesel fuels. Selective catalytic reduction (SCR) of ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

So that is blending a mix of Ethanol AND Diesel? New info to me. THANKS!

The John Deere one above, I think is just straight Ethanol. What they are calling E98 (2% other than Ethanol). As an entire REPLACEMENT for Diesel(s)? Could allow a farm to just redirect part of the crop(s) from sale and do a small Ethanol production on the site -- and not have to truck (and pay) for Diesel fuel to be brought to the site.

Have worked on some conversions for LARGE Diesel Generators. Generally 1 MW and up. Those wind up running on Natural Gas (Methane).

 

[Phil Timmons]

I use the coleman stove burning pump regular gas to make maple syrup. I have three of them, and at times there are 5 pots all boiling.

We have made about three gallons of syrup this season. About average....

The coleman stoves have a wide variability of burner performance that depends on the ambient temperature.

Warm fuel works better ;-)

Good points. I did ask for cooking (I was thinking of cooking the mash) -- and you delivered the cooking project and the recipe. Thanks!

My home town had a LOT of maple trees. And the whole community tapped them and we got off early from high school in late Winter (in the hour before sunset or so) to empty all the Sap Bags. Had a community cooker / barn site and the local farmers (Winter, not much else to do) cooked it down to syrup and money went to community activities.

Good Times.

 

[JRH02]

As a replacement or diesel I understand the challenges. But using pure ethanol in a spark ignition engine is a whole different story. Heck, we are already close with E85. If someone WANTS to run E85 then go for it! But this game of running E10 and E15 only degrades the power and does the driver change their habits/demands? Heck no, they just stick their foot further into the accelerator, using more fuel at a lower MPG.

Someone will bring up octane, yawn. I don't think there has been any problem with increasing octane between the time that lead was removed and ethanol was mandated. MTBE was banned thankfully. 'BTEX complex' works well but there are still some negative health aspects. But just driving a car and crashing it is detrimental too.

BTW, my 2021 F350 is flex fuel compatible. I've never spent a penny on E85. Anybody out there run E85 out of preference?

 

[Phil Timmons]

As a replacement or diesel I understand the challenges. But using pure ethanol in a spark ignition engine is a whole different story. Heck, we are already close with E85. If someone WANTS to run E85 then go for it!

Yeah, E100 would be the intentional design intent -- where I am looking at with this.

My application is IF jumping to E100 (or even the lesser E85) it would be as the direct intent.

Not so much trying to be an everything-to-everybody. Since at this point with some basic programmable inputs/outputs an engine (and injectors, etc) can be tuned to most anything, why not intentionally target E100 from the start (or as re-built, then the re-start).

MTBE was banned thankfully.

The choir said Amen.

BTW, my 2021 F350 is flex fuel compatible. I've never spent a penny on E85. Anybody out there run E85 out of preference?

Good Question. Thanks.

 

[Phil Timmons]

Back on this because looking at getting an old dead engine Model T (novelty farm / parade truck) and putting an Electric Motor in it. But digging deeper -- Ford had intentionally designed the Model T engine to be a Multi-Fuel operation? Can run on Gasoline or Ethanol directly?

I had been thinking about doing the same to some old(er) show-off, and light duty tractors -- rebuilding and putting them on home-brew Ethanol, that is. All of which now begs the question to me . . . Anyone know of old(er) tractors that were intentionally designed for Ethanol? Maybe some other old(er) Ford, like the Model T?

Thanks

 

[JRH02]

Back on this because looking at getting an old dead engine Model T (novelty farm / parade truck) and putting an Electric Motor in it. But digging deeper -- Ford had intentionally designed the Model T engine to be a Multi-Fuel operation? Can run on Gasoline or Ethanol directly?

I had been thinking about doing the same to some old(er) show-off, and light duty tractors -- rebuilding and putting them on home-brew Ethanol, that is. All of which now begs the question to me . . . Anyone know of old(er) tractors that were intentionally designed for Ethanol? Maybe some other old(er) Ford, like the Model T?

Thanks

I you have to ask this question you are ill prepared for the answer.

 

[Phil Timmons]

I you have to ask this question you are ill prepared for the answer.

whatsat?

That the Model T did not really run Ethanol, as least as Native?

Just reading this . . . .

Alt-fuel history: Ford Model T wasn't designed for multiple fuels, really

The myth surrounding the car that's credited with putting America on wheels simply isn't true: the Ford Model T was never meant to run fuels other than gasoline. The myth has circulated throughout the car's history, most recently thanks to the internet. It has mostly taken the form of a legend...

www.greencarreports.com

 

[JRH02]

Sigh... Phil, what does it matter? If you have a still them go for it.

Lot's of machines in history ran on whatever fuel you poured into them.

Are you a bot increasing the conversation?

 

[Phil Timmons]

Sigh... Phil, what does it matter? If you have a still them go for it.

Lot's of machines in history ran on whatever fuel you poured into them.

Are you a bot increasing the conversation?

I think that is your role? Seems to work for you? Enjoy!

 

[MossRoad]

Ethanol / E100 -- brewing, cooking, burn, fuel.

Anyone here do that?

Probably straight Corn Ethanol. Anyone cook that and/or run it?

If so, what breeds and brands or equipment?

Any special modification to do so?

Thanks!

(btw, please move this if not in correct area?)

I think the problem with converting corn to ethanol is the massive loss of BTUs involved.

If you burn corn kernels, for example, a corn burning stove, you can capture a huge percentage of the BTUs as heat.

If you want to convert corn to alcohol, you have to spend a lot of BTUs for fuel.

Efficency-wise, we'd all be better off burning corn directly to heat our homes, converting all internal combustion engines to natural gas, and use oil for heavy shipping(boats and trains), aircraft fuel, etc... it's the most efficient use of BTUs, as it avoids most conversions.

Conversions of fuels from one form to another wastes the BTUs.

 

[MossRoad]

hmmmm.

Always on the edge of the cutting fashion, it seems.

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Exploring Ethanol as a Diesel Alternative with John Deere

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Look at the fuel efficiency of that machine compared to diesel and get back to us.

 

[Phil Timmons]

I think the problem with converting corn to ethanol is the massive loss of BTUs involved.

If you burn corn kernels, for example, a corn burning stove, you can capture a huge percentage of the BTUs as heat.

If you want to convert corn to alcohol, you have to spend a lot of BTUs for fuel.

Efficency-wise, we'd all be better off burning corn directly to heat our homes, converting all internal combustion engines to natural gas, and use oil for heavy shipping(boats and trains), aircraft fuel, etc... it's the most efficient use of BTUs, as it avoids most conversions.

Conversions of fuels from one form to another wastes the BTUs.

For me, it comes down to some novelty and limited use of olde daze equipment and toys.

That can be fueled from local renewable source. Nothing for Gasoline nor Diesel in that status.

Anything serious about efficiency and effectiveness this decade is electric.

 

[Phil Timmons]

Look at the fuel efficiency of that machine compared to diesel and get back to us.

Pretty sure this one is the Money. Cost of fuel. With Ethanol at what about $2 a Gallon v. Diesel in Europe at (?) $10 per Gallon?