Engine replacement problems

[Psycho Kevie]

Bobcat ct235, 410 hours. Pushing fallen trees, branch hits oil filter, breaks seal. Don't notice oil pressure light until engine is shot. New engine required. Bobcat engine "not available". Put in Kioti engine. Pick up tractor, Glow plug light in dash doesn't work. Tell service. They look, say glow plugs working, Bulb burned out. Take tractor home, Check dash, bulb good. Call dealer, they tell me to F off (I am paraphrasing) they didn't touch the dash. I work 4 hours tracing wires. Find the wire to glow plug light is actually spliced in the harness to the Power wire to the glow plugs. When they pulled the wire to hook up glow plug, they pulled apart the connection in the wiring harness.

How would you guys approach the dealer? How many of you guys would actually take the wires out of the wiring harness to find a weird connection pulled apart in the harness? I am grouchy, Why do I need to troubleshoot the mechanics errors? Oh $8000 for a new 35 hp Kioti engine in a Bobcat Ct235.

 

[BobcatTR]

Ive read so many times about tree limbs and oil filter problems.
Ive had so many close calls myself. Cleared 4 acres of thick honeysuckle.
And then to have to deal with the dealers screw up.
Thanks for sharing, keeps me always looking.
I just screw up on oil pan bolts, overtightning.

 

[dodge man]

I hate to be negative but it seems like the norm. If the engine runs, doesn’t leak I’d be happy they got that much right.

 

[Eagle1]

Mechanic finding their self induced failure would eat up enough time for another $8k bill.

 

[zzvyb6]

I would not have left the dealership until everything checked out.
I would have immediately noticed a light as alarming as oil pressure.
I am super careful about not having stuff fall on under, around or through my expensive machinery.I don't let ANYONE beg, rent, borrow or steal my unreplaceable machines. JLG lift, tractors, lawn mowers, golf carts, chain saws, trailers, tire changer, even a freakin leaf blower. I presume that adults and teens alike have NO skills, abilities, care, or patience with stuff they can rent or buy for teir own use, even if for just 1 time. This really has solved all of my machinery use phobias.

Now if they want to pay me to limb a tree, hang Christmas lights, oil a windmill, or cut & bale some hay, the sign says it all: $250 per hour and only I run the stuff.

 

[dfkrug]

Ive read so many times about tree limbs and oil filter problems.

I guess I would be a bit grumpy, too, if I had paid all that money and the mechanic had messed up something.

Tho it is common for the low-hanging hyd filter to get knocked off, this is the first I have heard of the engine oil filter getting hit.

I protect my hyd filter, but one of the two CK30s I bought new for a friend suffered a catastrophic hyd filter impact on the second day he used the tractor!

 

[Psycho Kevie]

I guess I would be a bit grumpy, too, if I had paid all that money and the mechanic had messed up something.

Tho it is common for the low-hanging hyd filter to get knocked off, this is the first I have heard of the engine oil filter getting hit.

I protect my hyd filter, but one of the two CK30s I bought new for a friend suffered a catastrophic hyd filter impact on the second day he used the tractor!

Did the hydraulic filter failure cause any damage? or did the oil just leak out and have to be replaced with the new filter?

 

[Psycho Kevie]

I hate to be negative but it seems like the norm. If the engine runs, doesn’t leak I’d be happy they got that much right.

Uh, yeah, hitch pins missing, and radiator hose leaked, ground wires not connected. But complaining about those easy fixes feels like I am just piling on.

 

[dfkrug]

Did the hydraulic filter failure cause any damage? or did the oil just leak out and have to be replaced with the new filter?

In that case, and usually, the low-hanging hyd filter and its cast aluminum mount is broken off, causing rapid loss of fluid. The tractor becomes almost instantly undriveable if HST. If gear drive, the hyd pump would just run out of fluid and you would lose hydraulics, including PS.

Subsequent versions of the DaeDong M27 tractor, like the CKxx10s seem to continue to have this "feature", which I think is a major flaw.

The problem has been so common that Kioti had to increase inventory of the filter mount.

 

[ruffdog]

I hate to be negative but it seems like the norm. If the engine runs, doesn’t leak I’d be happy they got that much right.

Just like any trade, there are good people and bad people. Bad dealers tend to have (tolerate) more bad mechanics.

 

[ruffdog]

Uh, yeah, hitch pins missing, and radiator hose leaked, ground wires not connected. But complaining about those easy fixes feels like I am just piling on.

I would just double check everything like you are doing and be thankful the engine runs good. I know where you are coming from and is why I have always preferred to repair my own stuff.

 

[dfkrug]

I would just double check everything like you are doing and be thankful the engine runs good. I know where you are coming from and is why I have always preferred to repair my own stuff.

Me, too.

Gonna have a steel carport replaced soon, after mine was destroyed by a tree last winter. Paying for a pre-designed unit, installed by field installers. Don't have time to do my own building this time, and I am more than a little ambivalent.

 

[TractorTech]

Good dealer mechanics are hard to find and tend to be primadonnas. Running a few shops, I've occasionally walked up on a fair mechanic and asked why they didn't do or order.... They would say not part of the original complaint!!!

That said, good, fair or bad dealer mechanic, they got paid to do the job right and should have gone checked it thoroughly and thankful you brought it up rather than berate them.

Even though, "they didn't touch the dash", I don't know how many times we got blamed for something not associated or related to the original repair!

At this point, it is probably safe to say you won't go back there, but just be donecwith them and move on.

 

[MTGreen]

If it's a common enough problem, wonder if a filter relocation kit is a business opportunity for some enterprising individual

 

[Gator6x4]

Bobcat ct235, 410 hours. Pushing fallen trees, branch hits oil filter, breaks seal. Don't notice oil pressure light until engine is shot. New engine required. Bobcat engine "not available". Put in Kioti engine. Pick up tractor, Glow plug light in dash doesn't work. Tell service. They look, say glow plugs working, Bulb burned out. Take tractor home, Check dash, bulb good. Call dealer, they tell me to F off (I am paraphrasing) they didn't touch the dash. I work 4 hours tracing wires. Find the wire to glow plug light is actually spliced in the harness to the Power wire to the glow plugs. When they pulled the wire to hook up glow plug, they pulled apart the connection in the wiring harness.

How would you guys approach the dealer? How many of you guys would actually take the wires out of the wiring harness to find a weird connection pulled apart in the harness? I am grouchy, Why do I need to troubleshoot the mechanics errors? Oh $8000 for a new 35 hp Kioti engine in a Bobcat Ct235.

I would wait until I had drank two pots of coffee. Probably would take 3-4 days giving me sufficient time to get calmed down.

I would then visit the manager of the Dealership and tell him I would like to discuss the quality of the work he provided. I would ask him to explain to me exactly the question you asked, “Why you need to be responsible for troubleshooting the problems his Service Department created.