Engine Noise

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markh1

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2003 Jinma 284LE Y385T
My engine started making a clanking noise (the best I can describe it). I don't know what a broken rod sounds like but I thought that might be a possibility. It's a Jinma 284 LE and it has 475 hours on it. Ran fine until this happened.

Thanks,
Mark
 
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First, are you sure it's the engine? Could it be a fan blade, a loose alternator, radiator, or cowl? Second, we need more than "clanking". Is the engine smoking? Overheating? Does it do it in gear? In neutral? When the clutch is pushed in? when the clutch is released?

//greg//
 
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Clanking noise? Have you determined more specifically where in/on the engine that noise is coming from? Put a stethoscope on it or just opened the bonnet and listened carefully to try to isolate the source of the noise? Does the engine still run okay? Is it developing normal power, or is it low in power? Have you done a visual check to determine if there is anything visibly loose that could be making the noise, such as alternator, water pump, etc? How does the exhaust look - white smoke, grey smoke, black smoke?

I'm asking all these questions because just saying there is a clanking noise is impossibly vague. We have to have something more to go on to begin to determine where to look. It could be a thrown rod (unlikely, as those make a god-awful racket and then the engine dies), a bent pushrod, a broken lifter spring, a loose exhaust manifold, etc, etc, etc.

Some more background info would be helpful, too. Was it properly serviced/set up when you first got it - clutch adjusted, fluids changed, etc? Was the valve lash set at 50 hrs? Head re-torqued? Did it get all the required fluid changes at the suggested intervals? Have you checked the engine oil for water contamination? Checked the radiator coolant for oil contamination? Are the fluid levels all where they should be?

What were you doing with the tractor at the exact time it suddenly began making this "clanking" noise?

If you can supply the answers to most of these questions then someone here can make an educated guess as to where you should investigate further to determine what is going on. Without those answers no one could possibly guess, except by wild-assed luck, unless they have ESP.
 
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I see that Greg and I have the same concerns - give us the information and we can take it from there.
 
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It did not over heat, normal oil pressure,, fluid levels ok, maintenence and fluids up to date. I have not listened to it or started it because it sounded like it could be doing some serious damage. It isn't something external I listened long enough for that much info. When I increased the engine rpm a litte at first the speed at which the noise reocurred increased with the engine rprm's. I got off the tractor and listened before turning it off. I have not checked the radiator yet.

Mark
 
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I could also be a sticking fuel injector,which makes a sound very similier to a rod knocking.On top of each fuel injector is a hose 13mm bolt with the return fuel line. While the tractor is running,loosen that bolt 1-injector at a time to see if the tractor rpm changes,or any engine sound change at all. Most of the time the one that does not make any change to rpm or engine sound is the problem or clogged injector.

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I could also be a sticking fuel injector,which makes a sound very similier to a rod knocking.On top of each fuel injector is a hose 13mm bolt with the return fuel line. While the tractor is running,loosen that bolt 1-injector at a time to see if the tractor rpm changes,or any engine sound change at all. Most of the time the one that does not make any change to rpm or engine sound is the problem or clogged injector.

Tommt
I totally agree, in part. But I'm curious, how will loosening the fuel return line have any effect on engine performance?
 
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I think the process is to deny full fuel pressure to each injector, one at a time. When rpms show little or no response to an isolated injector, it should point to that one injector as having a problem.
 
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I think the process is to deny full fuel pressure to each injector, one at a time. When rpms show little or no response to an isolated injector, it should point to that one injector as having a problem.
Totally agree, but what does the return line have to do with it? Wouldn't you want to slightly loosen the high pressure supply line instead?
 
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it will do the same thing Bob,you will notice the difference in the engine rpm " WHen you loosen that return line also " We bleed off the air there all the time too !

Well I was so curious about this I went out and tried it on my dozer. It had no effect except to make a mess, so I thought I'd try it on my Mustang's Yanmar diesel (which also has return lines) - same effect except a bigger mess.
Well if it works for you then I guess it's okay. :thumbsup::laughing:
 
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I tried loosening the return lines and noticed no difference in rpm as Bob said. Do I need to try the line going into the injector then?

Mark
 
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I tried loosening the return lines and noticed no difference in rpm as Bob said. Do I need to try the line going into the injector then?
Mark
That's what I would recommend Mark. If you notice a change then the injector is probably OK, but doesn't take "dribbling" into consideration which can only be detected by pop testing at a diesel shop (or you can make your own pop tester if you have access to a jerk pump).
 
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A noticable change in rpm when I removed the injector input line on each injector.

Mark
 
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Before running the engine makes things worse, I recommend you send an oil sample in for analysis. A comprehensive examination can often point to a specific mechanical problem by determining what type metal particles have contaminated the oil

//greg//
 
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I had 3306 Caterpillar engine make noise on a wheel loader, the operator thought it could be a connecting rod bearing going out, but, I had the operator start it once more to see if I could tell what was going on. He started it and just about 10 seconds into the trouble shooting the engine quit with oil pouring out the block on the opposite side I was on. A con rod came right thru the block. It took a complete replacement engine and just about 4 days of hard labor to get things moving again. That was about $12000 OOPS. bjr
 
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A noticable change in rpm when I removed the injector input line on each injector.
Mark
As expected. :thumbsup:
You now have two options, one of which may be inevitable:

1) Follow Greg's advice and spend $25.00 for a spectrographic lube oil analysis to determine how much cast iron, aluminum and steel is in the oil. Also you will get a TBN, fuel dilution %, coolant contamination %, and a bunch of other stuff. If any readings are excessively high you will get a warning in that category. This will take a little extra time for the lab because you haven't established a baseline yet.

2) Drop the sump and go exploring.
 
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I listened again when I ws checking the injectors and it could be considered a popping noise. Where can you have an oil analysis done?

Thanks for the advice and help.
Mark
 
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I listened again when I ws checking the injectors and it could be considered a popping noise. Where can you have an oil analysis done?

Here is a Google search: Oil analysis - Google Search
I would pick the closest one to you for the quickest turn around time.

This is the one I use (at home and work):
ALS Tribology | Tribology Services | In-Service Lubricant Analysis

What you are hearing could possibly be a dribbling injector over-fueling. You can take them to a diesel shop and have them tested.
 
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Going to pull the injectors this weekend and take them to a diesel shop to be tested. Will post when I find out if they are OK or not.

Mark
 
 
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