Eastern Mountain Lion Declared Extinct

[Trillium Farm]

There have been sights on the Eastern Cougar in Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and even in Ontario for years. Not too many, but enough to know that it is not extinct as it was thought, but in very very low numbers. I'm sure that this species is the same as in the Eastern US as they don't recognize borders or homeland security. There is hope, but only if we manage it properly

 

[TnAndy]

Or less. I've got 2x4s with bark on 4 sides.

Seen it too.....Go to one of the 'big box' lumber stores and look at a pile of 2x4's.....you'll see the tree center in 75% of them. GOT to be cutting them out of really small logs....5-6" at most.

 

[MossRoad]

Maybe they are extinct in your state(s) but they are not extinct in North America, because we have them here in Northern Ontario (Canada) . We have regular sightings of cougars reported ( my wife even saw one three years ago cross the highway in front of her) ..........considering I live 30 minutes from Sault Michigan , I would consider that "EAST" mountain lion (cougar).

Yes, its a mountain lion. But its not an eastern mountain lion. It's a genetically different species. They've found them in Illinois in recent years. But they are the western species, all young males, probably seeking new territory.

 

[/pine]

Here in N.E. GA I've seen a big cat that as close as I could see was identical to what is called a panther in FL...However they are never mentioned in hunting literature like other non game or alien species...

 

[mapper]

Agree. Out here where I live when they first started logging trees were so plentiful that they considered any tree less than 3 feet diameter to be a weed and not worth harvesting. Now they harvest 12 inch diameter trees.

Friend of mine logged an acre or so several years ago. Logger would no take anything larger than 45", no mills around now that can handle anything larger!
I remember touring the Wherhouser Mill B in Everrett WA when I was in forestry school, it was designed for minimum 6' diameter logs. They were cutting 3' -4' stuff that day, looked like tooth picks in that headsaw!

 

[nybirdman]

Do you have any proof that "they" have been releasing cougars for more than 30 years?

Proof;nothing concrete just dozens of sightings by reliable out-doors people;including NYS employees.
We had one across the road from my house;I personally didn't see it,several neighbors did;it had a black radio tracking collar on.Around that same time I had an under-cover(plain wrapper) state car with all kinds of antennas parked just off my yard.
Again;if they don't exist in New York state why are they protected?We don't protect elephants or rhino.
NY won't admit because of liability issues.

 

[DieselnHooters]

Species go extinct all the time, what really gets to people is when it is a beauty like the cougar. Look at your nature channels, more than half the shows feature lions , tigers, leopards and other big cats.

 

[Redbug]

The Florida Cougar is a subspecies of the Eastern Cougar. Is it is off the list, too?

 

[/pine]

Link to phone video of a FL panther...along with other similar vids...:
Florida Panther at Corkscrew Swamp - YouTube

 

[nybirdman]

Cougars in the wild in New York? Not yet, state says Read this crap!Estimated one human life lost per year is acceptable.

 

[4570Man]

All the mills have re-tooled for small logs. I logged 20 acres in 2013 and we left several big old hooters standing because they would dock us 20% for anything over 26" at the butt. The new automated mills can't handle large logs any more. They don't want them, and often won't take them. Larger members are engineered and laminated.

The local mill still has a circle saw to slab logs and cut a couple boards off the big ones. They’ve got a band mill but it only takes squares somewhere around 14” inch maximum. The super wide boards are no good anyway especially if the center of the tree is in it. Warping is nearly guaranteed. And by no good I mean they need cut in smaller pieces.

 

[bcp]

There are no pumas in the US, unless they visit. I saw it on TV.

There's pumas in the cravis!!! - YouTube

Bruce

 

[tcreeley]

I saw a mountain lion near the Quabbin (Mass.) back in the 1970's and again in the 1980's in central Maine.

Eastern Mountain Lion Mystery: Is the Big Cat Back?

Cougar News >> Blog Archive >> Credible Sighting in Southern Maine, Scat Collected

 

[Larry Caldwell]

There are no pumas in the US, unless they visit. I saw it on TV.

There's pumas in the cravis!!! - YouTube

Bruce

The western mountain lion is a puma - puma concolor.

 

[MossRoad]

Proof;nothing concrete just dozens of sightings by reliable out-doors people;including NYS employees.
We had one across the road from my house;I personally didn't see it,several neighbors did;it had a black radio tracking collar on.Around that same time I had an under-cover(plain wrapper) state car with all kinds of antennas parked just off my yard.
Again;if they don't exist in New York state why are they protected?We don't protect elephants or rhino.
NY won't admit because of liability issues.

I didn't say they weren't there. You said they are releasing them. That's a huge claim with nothing to back it up. If they were releasing cougars someone (actually, most everyone), would know about it.

 

[MossRoad]

Cougars in the wild in New York? Not yet, state says Read this crap!Estimated one human life lost per year is acceptable.

You read that incorrectly. It didn't say one human life lost per year. It said one human casualty per year. Only 15 people have been killed by cougars in the U.S. since 1900. More people die from bee stings every 15 weeks in the U.S. than have been killed by cougars in the last 120 years.

 

[/pine]

You read that incorrectly. It didn't say one human life lost per year. It said one human casualty per year. Only 15 people have been killed by cougars in the U.S. since 1900. More people die from bee stings every 15 weeks in the U.S. than have been killed by cougars in the last 120 years.

Just heard on the radio the other morning that more folks in the US are killed every year by cows than both sharks, alligators plus combined etc...

 

[jcmaurice6]

You have to look north, there still some left not far from my home.

Wild Cougars Return to Quebec – Robert J. Galbraith

 

[MossRoad]

You have to look north, there still some left not far from my home.

Wild Cougars Return to Quebec – Robert J. Galbraith

From that article...

"DNA evidence has indicated that the cougars identified in the study areas are mostly a mix of the southern and western subspecies of cougar, probably from released or escaped animals"

 

[prichard]

I researched cats quite a bit a while back I've long been fascinated by Florida Panthers. There is little credible evidence that Panthers, eastern mountain lions and western are different sub species. There has not been any thorough genetic testing.

That said their numbers are horribly low and that is a shame.