Drainage HDPE/ Corrugated Pipe

[Judson50]

I have a place off my walk out basement, where water collects into a large puddle. about 2in and 6ft wide.

I spoke to a friend at church (who is a farmer) who stated all I need is HDPE/ Corrugated Pipe and a catch basis. Just bury the pipe and run our to my ditch in my back yard.

When I began to look into this, I noticed piping with a sock and/or people at the local menards telling me I needs rock under and above the pipe.

So I went and told my farmer at friend this and he told me they are just trying to sell more product. He then told me he's farmed for over 50 years, never put a sock nor surrounded pipe with rock - he just burried the pipe. I explained to him all the concerns the guys at menards told me about pipe bursting due to being frozen in winter and it getting. Clogged.

He told me him and all his farmer friends (I'm in Indiana) never use rock or a sock and their farms don't flood. He said if the pipe empties into a ditch, I'll be fine.

So what are your thoughts?



EDIT: I should add, I have no water seeping into the house, I just want this one part of my yard and my walk out porch (which is concrete) to not "hold" water and just move it elsewhere. Let me know if I need to clarify anything else.

 

[andrehoude123]

A big-O is what we call it up here dig a shallow trench put about a foot of 3/4 clear and about an other foot over it then a geo textile sheet over top then top soil and seed and now you have a wet spots that will always be dry and your pipe goes into a hole filled up with rocks or out into a ditch the sock on the pipe prevents dirt from getting into it makes it last much longer The other way will work but for how long

 

[Judson50]

I must apologize. Are you saying I need the rock and sock? Or can I just bury the pipe out to the ditch?

I truly apologize I didn't understand your post.

Or can I get a sock sound the pipe and bury it without rock?

 

[Code54]

The socks "goal" is to keep the mud and dirt from slowly filling the pipe. I wrapped some before and they are working great years later. Maybe it would have worked for a while without the wrap but for the little added cost figured it was worth it to not have to do it again.

 

[andrehoude123]

I must apologize. Are you saying I need the rock and sock? Or can I just bury the pipe out to the ditch? I truly apologize I didn't understand your post. Or can I get a sock sound the pipe and bury it without rock?

Depends how you want to do it....if you want to do it the right way with the most drainage. Sock and rock and that same sock material over the rock so the dirt does not go into the rock and stop the drainage....depends the budget Also a farmer does a lot of this and entire fields can not do this all these steps but in home use that is how we do it

 

[Judson50]

Depends how you want to do it....if you want to do it the right way with the most drainage. Sock and rock and that same sock material over the rock so the dirt does not go into the rock and stop the drainage....depends the budget Also a farmer does a lot of this and entire fields can not do this all these steps but in home use that is how we do it

So then why can a farmer do just the pipe with no issues and a homeowner needs rock, sock ect?

I guess I just don't understand what's the difference?

 

[Judson50]

The socks "goal" is to keep the mud and dirt from slowly filling the pipe. I wrapped some before and they are working great years later. Maybe it would have worked for a while without the wrap but for the little added cost figured it was worth it to not have to do it again.

Did you surround the sock with rock?

 

[Judson50]

As a follow up, I have about 300 softball size limestone rock. Can I put that under the corrugated pipe? Will that work okay instead of all that small rock?

 

[andrehoude123]

All farmers do it with a sock dig a trench and back fill! It will work but the best way is with rock and yes big rocks will work as good or better then small ones the only thing there might be a shift and cause little sink holes in the surface

 

[s219]

If you are just draining from a wet spot to a ditch, then the pipe will be solid. You would not be using perforated pipe that requires some sort of gravel and filter cloth (i.e., a french drain).

How do you plan to collect the water? For that part, you can use a drain box with a grate on top. Then connect the solid pipe to that and run to your ditch.

You could also make a short french drain under the wet spot, with perf pipe, gravel, and filter cloth, and then connect that to the solid pipe to run to the ditch. You should use #57 gravel (or similar size) for that.

 

[andrehoude123]

We have guys that use this method In ditches to get ride of water fast after a storm it works amazing but if your using big rock you'll need to put geo textile over the rocks to prevent the top soil of going into the big cracks of the rocks

 

[bigtiller]

I have helped install miles of drainage tile on many farms in several counties in central Iowa. Only once did we use a sock, and that was going through a sandy beach to dump into a private pond. We used about 100 feet around a 6 inch tile. We never needed rock to make the tile work better - anywhere.

 

[jones6780]

They are talking about 2 different methods. If you use the sock over slotted drain pipe then it works like a reverse septic tank bleeder line. The wet will seep into the pipe and drain. With that method you need the rock and the geo textile. If you go the other method you need a sump with a grate over it and a solid drain line for the water to exit. With the small area you are talking about, if you can not fill and grade for drainage then I would use the sump and drain line.

 

[Judson50]

How do you plan to collect the water? For that part, you can use a drain box with a grate on top. Then connect the solid pipe to that and run to your ditch.

This is exactly what I was going to do. A simple 9x9 catch basin with the pipe that starts there and goes all the way to the ditch about 125ft away.

 

[Judson50]

We have guys that use this method In ditches to get ride of water fast after a storm it works amazing but if your using big rock you'll need to put geo textile over the rocks to prevent the top soil of going into the big cracks of the rocks

Would simple fabric weed barrier work?

 

[Judson50]

They are talking about 2 different methods. If you use the sock over slotted drain pipe then it works like a reverse septic tank bleeder line. The wet will seep into the pipe and drain. With that method you need the rock and the geo textile. If you go the other method you need a sump with a grate over it and a solid drain line for the water to exit. With the small area you are talking about, if you can not fill and grade for drainage then I would use the sump and drain line.

I think this is what Im' looking to do. Just drain the pool of water by my walk out basement all the way to the ditch.

Just a solid Corrugated pipe no need for water to enter this pipe, except for the drain basis where the water typically collects/puddles. - would this be correct?

And the corrudated tubing would be 4 inch. is that too big?

 

[andrehoude123]

If the water is concentrated in one area just out in a solid pipe and a catch But then you have a cover that can go up and down with frost and a bare spot on your lawn I'm guess if you want to go thru all that trouble you don't want to see an ugly black cover with holes In it!!

 

[andrehoude123]

Just put in a

 

[andrehoude123]

Would simple fabric weed barrier work?

Yes but I can't be water proof because you'll have even more pooling

 

[Judson50]

If the water is concentrated in one area just out in a solid pipe and a catch But then you have a cover that can go up and down with frost and a bare spot on your lawn I'm guess if you want to go thru all that trouble you don't want to see an ugly black cover with holes In it!!

Eh, the black grate in the lawn next to the concrete by my walk out basement doesn't bother me.

Is PVC better?
Is 4in Corrugated Pipe going to work?