Tiller Do you have a TILLER from CORRIHER or CCM?

   / Do you have a TILLER from CORRIHER or CCM? #41  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Nomad, Do you happen to know why Turkey Manufacturers use "non standard" drivelines on the PTO powered equipment , like roto tillers, sickle mowers etc?
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Maybe, the reason is that there is only one such a shaft manufacturer here in Turkey and implement manufacturers here prefer to buy cheaper non-standart pto shafts. This Aksan Shaft company is selling their shafts to manufacturers (in USA, Europe, etc) and as far as I know, none of implement manufacturers here is using their standart shafts of this company Aksan. All implement MFGs here even big companies are using non-standart shafts. Why? Probably, people here, especially farm manufacturers don't like "standardization";).

I saw Super 65 sicklebar mower you say "cancelled/discontinued" on your web site. The only change in its current version is leveling arms and optional hydraulic lift kit which I added because MFG needed my engineering help. I added it in 2 hours only;) Maybe, not very good quality, but must be working - Otherwise, ASC would not have ordered another 10 units last year. I wonder if ASC has been able to sell those 10 units.

By the way, Ken, talking bad about all Turkey products won't help - CCM and ASC are buying ONLY 3 items from Turkey and the products they are buying aren't the best products in Turkey market. Remember that AI, Agco, Sparex, etc etc - they all have MANY MANY special products/parts being made in Turkey. I know of a company manufacturing more than 200 different very old sheet metal and casting items for USA farm market. None of these good manifacturers will sell to any of ASC, CCM, FC, etc.

Anyway - happy debates.
 
   / Do you have a TILLER from CORRIHER or CCM? #42  
Yep, Bob, it really is a shame when we have two very knowledgeable dealers, each of whom knows a lot more about the tractors and equipment than most of us (me, certainly), each of whom assists the rest of us with good answers to questions, each of whom supports TBN not only with their knowledge and answers to questions we have, but also financially with paid advertisements. Each of whom seems like a nice guy you'd like to know and deal with. And then they snipe at each other, apparently not realizing that each with each shot they take, they harm their own reputation more than they harm the other guy. Amazing. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
   / Do you have a TILLER from CORRIHER or CCM? #43  
Bird et al. (who have similar opinions),

Be realistic. The current system in the world is free market economy in which competition plays the major role in the success. If it's expressed in simpler words; If Sweet sells better, CCM loses and if CCM sells better, Sweet loses. So simple. If they do not try to harm each other, they will harm the others, i.e. innocent third parties (in case of collobrations of competitiors.).. "Sharing" the things isn't in the rules of this economic system that you know what it is..
 
   / Do you have a TILLER from CORRIHER or CCM?
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Nomad I could NOT disagree with you more.

I have a sales staff and we have 1 golden rule: IF YOU SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT THE COMPETITION THEN YOU ARE FIRED!

I believe it is better to show off your advantages than it is to talk trash about someone else. In professional selling seminars it is typically taught that the most effective technique is to sell "features & benefits" of the item you are selling. Of course, it is easier to piss on the other guy than it is to know all the features of your products and to understand HOW & WHY those features translate into benefits for the purchaser.
 
   / Do you have a TILLER from CORRIHER or CCM? #45  
Sorry, Nomad, but I disagree. Sure you want to outdo and outsell the competition, but talking bad about the competition usually backfires instead of helping you beat the guy you talked bad about. Maybe it's different in your part of the world.
 
   / Do you have a TILLER from CORRIHER or CCM? #46  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( In professional selling seminars it is typically taught that the most effective technique is to sell "features & benefits" of the item you are selling. )</font>

Bob, is this being taught in professional seminars? Then, those professional (scholar?) guys are teaching "how to hurt your competitor NICELY" - i.e. killing without attacking your competitor directly. What happens when your most effective selling technique works well? At the end, you give a harm to your competitor, don't you? because you will sell better and your competitor won't be able to sell and will not be able to his/her bread. How you are doing it (nicely or rudely) doesn't matter as long as you are killing your competitor. Those professional scholars can cheat only naives.
 
   / Do you have a TILLER from CORRIHER or CCM? #47  
Bird, as I explained in my last post, what you are doing isn't different than Sweet and CCM. You call them for friendly discussions, but you actually are advicing them how to kill their competitiors nicely, professionally. You see your paradoxes?
 
   / Do you have a TILLER from CORRIHER or CCM? #48  
I am not a business owner, so I can only speak from the consumer side of this little tete-te-tete.

But for me, I would not knowingly spend my money with a business that holds the attitude of needing to "kill the competitor".

Sure, each one is in business to earn a profit and make a living. But they need to do it based on the quality of their products and the service to the customer. If a business resorts to bad mouthing and demeaning the competition, then I believe that they have no confidence in their product or their ability to take care of their customers, and they darn sure aren't going to get my money.

Being competitve and aggressive in business practice is one thing. But being ruthless and demeaning toward your competition, as you seem to believe is the best way to operate a business, is, in my mind, the mark of a questionable business that I wouldn't trust the word of about anything.

If that's the way businesses operate in your part of the world, then I guess it will be a very long time before I would ever consider visiting there, let alone doing any business with anyone. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
 
   / Do you have a TILLER from CORRIHER or CCM? #49  
We have a saying here; (literally translation says)

... It is easy/simple thing to get divorced for a single/unmarried one ...

Probably, you understood what is meant here and you must have similar sayings there for those who are not in the business like you, and talking easy. Just ask yourself that if you were a seller of one of these tillers now in this thread and think about what you would do. No. Forget it. Without feeling the fire, the fire can not be understood. At least, humans experiences say so.
 
   / Do you have a TILLER from CORRIHER or CCM? #50  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Without feeling the fire, the fire can not be understood. At least, humans experiences say so. )</font>

I don't buy that. At least not the way you mean it.

There are plenty of examples of "feeling the fire" even though a person might not be in the business. It all boils down to how you treat people (or businesses, or ideas, etc.). If you treat any of these things poorly and with a lack of respect, then you will suffer through the loss of personal relationships (because people don't want to be treated that way), or the loss of revenue (because people don't want to do business with a business like that), or the loss of stimulating discussions about ideas (because people won't put up with it).

Notice the common thread here? It's how PEOPLE react to situations. And I believe that when people find themselves in situations that are demeaning and disrespectful, they will gravitate away from those situations, regardless of whether it's business or personal.

So I don't think it matters whether I, or anybody else, is in the business. What matters is our perception and understanding of how those that we associate with are treating
others.
 
 

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