Tiller Do you have a TILLER from CORRIHER or CCM?

Bird · May 11, 2004

Nomad, obviously, you live in another world from a lot of us. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif When I was a teenager, my Dad owned a couple of service stations and an auto parts house. Now we had "competition" in town, but we not only never badmouthed the competition, we were friends with them, and in fact, those other service stations were our auto parts store customers.

For a few years, my brother was a Matco Tool Distributor, and I was in the air tool repair business. My brother brought me the air tools from his customers that needed repairing. He had competition from MAC and Snap-On in his area, and he tried to outsell them, but never by saying anything bad about them. In fact, they became friends, and the local Snap-On distributor gave him his customer's air tools for me to repair, also. And of course I did just as good a job for the Snap-On distributor and his customers as I did for Matco customers.

The simple fact of the matter is that both Snap-On and Matco sell some very good products, and each of them has also occasionally come out with a particular model that leaves much to be desired. Do your really believe we would have sold more by telling customers, or potential customers, about the flaws in Snap-On rather than just talking about our own products? I guess I could have sabotaged some of the Snap-On air tools I repaired, but do you really think that would have helped mine and my brother's business?

I don't think so.

Bob_Skurka · May 11, 2004

Golfgar4 . . . I am in business and I feel the fire daily, so let me jump in . . . we do not knock our competition and we do not need to. Privately I feel sorry for the businesses who feel they need to kill the other guy because it obviously means that they are focused on the other guy and the other guys stuff rather than being focused on their own quality, their own service and their own reputation. And to be blunt, you don't have to run or own a business to see that! So I don't think you are at any disadvantage.

Nomad, CCI, Sweet . . . shame on all of you for the constant bickering and pissing on each other and wasting the time of the readers of TBN. You all have so much to offer us, and you all have so much that you can share, and there are enough customers out here (me being one of them) who would love to buy from you if you would figure out that it is possible for people to sell different goods to people and still be happy.

My company runs about $130,000,000 a year in sales and we do it by selling our reputation as a quality company that stands behind the goods we sell, we push OUR service as one of our strengths, we train our people so they are informed about the products we sell, when and where those products are appropriate and for who they are appropriate, and that can all be done without degrading our competition.

nomad · May 11, 2004

Okay Gentlemen (Golfgar, Bird and Bob) - You adviced Sweet and CCM not to attack each other and their products and I just said you were not realist. Sweet and CCM aren't in this part of the world - so, things aren't much different from one part to another part of the world. Anyway - This thread has become a long thread and what we are talking now is irrelevant to this thread. I understood what you are telling me. I still say "Talk is easy" and your talking easy - Now, lets see an application by feeling the fire and lets apply what you adviced here in this thread Homier Tillers, etc ..

Bob_Skurka · May 11, 2004

Nomad . . . sorry I won't bite on opening another thread for this banter. Your proposed thread that you linked to only talks about price. Sorry but I drive expensive cars, I have name brand tractors, my home is custom built, I don't care about price, I care about quality. So I guess I would gladly shop for the best price on the highest quality implement that I felt I needed. I have some cheap stuff because I don't use it heavily, I have some expensive stuff because I use it extensively. But price is NOT the only issue. If it was, nobody would buy a Cadillac, Volvo, BMW, Audi or Mercedes Benz. And last time I looked, YUGO sold their products on price, but they failed. On the other hand, Wal-Mart made their name on selling low price, but I suspect they never hooked up with YUGO!

nomad · May 11, 2004

Now, Bob, you talked bad about some products indirectly by implying that Homier products are low quality. What if if Homier were talking here? You would have found yourself with him in a hot argument. If you don't know about the quality of Homier products, then probably you would ask a dealer to learn about Homier products. Anyway - real time application of your advices in Homier thread please.. To me, their products aren't low quality and their prices cannot be offered by anyone. This is why I opened that thread.

Bob_Skurka · May 11, 2004

Sorry again Nomad, but you are still wrong. . . I said I will buy the best quality equipment I think I need and that I have some cheap stuff and some expensive stuff based on my usage. Cheap is not always bad, expensive is not always good. But you seem to want to equate purchasing only with price. I bought my rear blade simply because it had angle, offset & tilt features that all adjusted without the need for any tools. So I bought it for the design features. I would have paid considerably more than I did. The dealers had competitive blades that were more expensive, but none of them did what mine does at a competitive price. On the other hand, I bought the cheapest Carry-All I could find, because that was all I needed/wanted, didn't really care who it came from, so the issue was simply price. And that does not directly imply low quality.

Egon · May 11, 2004

Nomad:

Me's not really a sharp knife and I's got a terrible time tryn to understand whats you be talking about.

Perhaps a little more elucidation would be of benefit to folk like me.

Kinda curious you only bought one rug when there must be hundreds of dealers around.

Egon

Bob_Skurka · May 11, 2004

Egon . . . well said!

8561 · May 11, 2004

I'm glad someone said something about the CCM/Sweet bickering. Nomad may have his opinions, but I (and I suspect others) vote with my wallet. Although Sweet isn't afraid to mix it up, it seems CCM is certainly the nastier of the two. I'd go without before I sent him a dollar. Actually, I did call there once about a year ago before things got real ugly on the site. I spoke to a very nice woman who put me through to her husband. He was also very pleasant but said I needed to speak to Mark, and that he would call me back. I was fine with that. After two days of waiting, I called Corriher. They were so nice, their equipment so good along with their prices and service, that I have ended up buying three implements from them. My guess is I didn't get a call back because CCM was on here badmouthing someone or something. Boy am I glad how that worked out.