Diverter to 3rd function

[jcummins]

Did you not read my post?

The 3rd function is not like the diverter install. Not even similar.

Yep...about three times. So it does not install 'in line' of the power beyond line. There is a PORT then?

KennyD ruled out the caps on the end of the valve it seems, and from what I know, I tend to agree. This only leaves that same cap above the line where the green paint is. the two hoses not associated with the loader than goes to the rear remotes, then must be the power beyond line, and the return line.....feeding the rear remotes. Looking from below the valve I find another small cap below the top line. In the pic below is the cap above the bottom line, the PB port...the cap above that which is just below the top hose, the return? Am I right? Any idea the adapters needed to screw into those?

 

[J_J]

This is what a PB adapter looks like.

The FEL valve must have a PB adapter installed as the remote is fed from the PB adapter.

So you interrupt this flow path with the 3rd function is series.

PB out to 3rd function IN port.

3rd function OUT port feeds the remote valves.

The PB port will always have fluid flowing through it with all valves in neutral.

 

[jcummins]

I commented above....the two hoses not associated with the loader than goes to the rear remotes, then must be the power beyond line, and the return line.....feeding the rear remotes.

I think it's the other way around. These hoses are the feed lines to the FEL valve. The large metal line near the top of the valve, my post #3 second picture that goes into the side of the tractor then does what?

 

[SSdoxie]

Take out the elbow fitting at the green mark and the plug just above it. I'm sure you will see a passage hole between the 2 ports. The Power Beyond adapter, similar to what JJ posted (that you don't have yet) will screw into the port that has the 90 fitting in it now and you the add a return line from the smaller plug back to drain/reservoir.

 

[J_J]

Since they have a remote valve, I am thinking that fitting in the green port is a PB adapter.

 

[jcummins]

Take out the elbow fitting at the green mark and the plug just above it. I'm sure you will see a passage hole between the 2 ports. The Power Beyond adapter, similar to what JJ posted (that you don't have yet) will screw into the port that has the 90 fitting in it now and you the add a return line from the smaller plug back to drain/reservoir.

I'm with you up to... "and you add a return line from the smaller plug back to drain/reservoir"

The 3rd function valve mounts on a manifold which fluid will pass all the time, and the valve uses on demand.....Right? The IN port of that manifold attaches where? The out port of that manifold attaches where?

Add a return line from the smaller plug...the plug just above the elbow hose with the green mark?
Back to drain/reservoir...which attaches where?

Having asked that, I don't understand the reason for the PB adapter. What screws into that adapter, hose to the new valve? then where does the elbow remove from where the adapter goes...where does it go.

 

[J_J]

I am not sure you understand what I am telling you.

I have clearly indicated what should be done.

The PB adapter is there to pass high pressure fluid downstream to other valves. It separates the valve galleries into two paths, the PB path and the OUT path. All cyl fluid exits the OUT path to tank. Unused pump flow passes through the PB port

Your 3rd function valve goes in series between the FEL valve and the remotes.

Run a hose from the PB adapter to the IN port of the 3rd function valve. Then run a hose from the OUT port of the 3rd function valve to the remote valve IN port.

When done correctly, the flow should be something like this.

Pump to FEL, FEL PB to 3rd function valve IN port, 3rd function valve OUT port to IN port remote valve, to 3pt, to tank. That is your series flow path.

 

[jcummins]

I am not sure you understand what I am telling you.

I have clearly indicated what should be done.

The PB adapter is there to pass high pressure fluid downstream to other valves. It separates the valve galleries into two paths, the PB path and the OUT path. All cyl fluid exits the OUT path to tank. Unused pump flow passes through the PB port

Your 3rd function valve goes in series between the FEL valve and the remotes.

Run a hose from the PB adapter to the IN port of the 3rd function valve. Then run a hose from the OUT port of the 3rd function valve to the remote valve IN port.

When done correctly, the flow should be something like this.

Pump to FEL, FEL PB to 3rd function valve IN port, 3rd function valve OUT port to IN port remote valve, to 3pt, to tank. That is your series flow path.

HA....I'm CERTAIN I'm not understanding. The terminology gets me hosed up. I'm simply not thinking nor using the same terminology you are....I'm trying, but without success.

SO, the FEL sees power before the rear remotes?, not the opposite? I was thinking that originally, then got to thinking it was the other way around.

Perhaps I have a misconception of the 3rd function valve and the manifold that you need to mount the valve too. As I understand it, the valve is bolted to the manifold and has access to the passing fluid when the valve is activated? The valve isn't actually attached directly to the hydraulics, the manifold is.

Where is the "remote valve IN port", you mention in your statement...Run a hose from the PB adapter to the IN port of the 3rd function valve. Then run a hose from the OUT port of the 3rd function valve to the remote valve IN port.

AND...if the elbow hose is removed from the PB port and routed to the 3rd function valve, then I've got to believe that elbow is going to attach somewhere else.

 

[J_J]

You said you have remote valves correct?

If you have remote valves, they are being supplied with fluid from probably the PB port.

The 90 degree fitting is there for convenience, and not necessary in all conditions. If you can use the 90 degree elbow, then use it.

The 3rd function is the valve with the manifold attached. It has 4 ports maybe 5 if a gage port is supplied.

You need to verify that the green mark is the PB port and if that is a PB adapter in that port.

Just remove the 90 degree fitting and then remove the possible PB fitting, and see if it looks like the picture above.

Once the PB is established, run a hose from the PB adapter to the IN port of the 3rd function valve.

The OUT of the 3rd function valve then connect to the 90 degree hose you remove from the PB port.

Connection differ on some tractors, so I hope I have guided you correctly. All valves have to be in series.

 

[jcummins]

J_J thanks....

I understand this....
Once the PB is established, run a hose from the PB adapter to the IN port of the 3rd function valve.
The OUT of the 3rd function valve then connect to the 90 degree hose you remove from the PB port.

And it was the way I was thinking all the time. I was not aware of the PB adapter though. It seems if a tractor has a PB port....the adapter should be built in, if PB is not functional without it. And, I was not aware the rear remotes runs off PB. Thought the rears had it's own setup. If a tractor with existing remotes has a fel added, the pressure line must require rerouting to the fel first.

Also, not sure I understand the plug above the hose with the elbow though. What is it's purpose?

I'll open some things up tomorrow.